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Salford Trouble/Salford Takeover

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Didn't the championship clubs give up (for a 1 off lump sum) their sky share years ago to do the half winter season? And so they could persue their own TV deal? Or is my memory tricking me? (happens...often...)

And, in retrospect, do you think that was a wise move. Maybe we would still have Bramley and Blackpool if they hadn't signed away their share from Sky. And whilst we are on the subject, Parksider quoted Oldham as a semi pro disaster. If I recall there downfall came when they were in SL.

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London ? 30 years ago there were next to no kids playing the contact sport of RL in London. Today it is a success story.....

I don't see why that cannot be replicated in Wythenshaw.

Whats mind numbingly boring is your wishful thinking that RL can push and promote itself to such an extent it will turn everyone on and people will take the game up and watch the game and championship clubs will grow and flower into professional clubs etc etc etc.

Get a history of RL book and read the reality of the games struggles from day one to today. 126 years of struggle with another 126 to come.

As for YOU saying London junior RL is a "success story" my word how you can do an about turn and a back flip if it suits you?

The south east is a massive area such that we may just be able to sustain a junior RL big enough to feed a superleague club.

Whilst that is a success for us, what we will achieve is miniscule against what Soccer and RU achieve in London.

You know full well we are not a success in London but we have found enough interest across a very big place to make having an SL club there worthwhile.A success relative to our size.

All this "can be done" nada nada nada isn't debate. It's fantasy Rugby League.

Please can we have an additional forum on here for the fantasists??

Lets go into business together, I can formulate a sensible and realistic business plan for us whilst you close your eyes and dream we'll be marks and spencers.

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And those quoted clubs share of the Sky largesse was how much?

1. The SL clubs struggle because they have to pay £1.6M wages and turn over £4M+ with only £1.2M of SKY money subsidy.

2. The CC clubs struggle because they have to pay £300K wages and turn over £1M.

Business wise it's a bigger struggle to find the money for Superleague.

The lower down the leagues you go the easier it is to survive.

Somehow championship clubs are worse at surviving than SL clubs.

But let's not let the facts get in the way of another dig at Superleague.

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I wish I had half of the same time to post as The Parksider does. Congrats to him for being able to chillax on here.

I hope Salford drag themselves out of whatever mess they're in and get themselves competing in Super League as they should be. There are some good folk who watch Salford and they have the potential to be a big club (note: as Salford, not some 'Manchester' fake club who wouldn't attract one extra fan).

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I think you will find that the MEN article is wrong. The truth lies elsewhere. It has been very bad PR from Salford but their future is secure.

No don't lock it.

Lets get back to the subject of the thread.

Can you add any more at this point in time??

Is Mr. Wilkinson's assertion investors are on the way in line with your assertion above?

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I wish I had half of the same time to post as The Parksider does. Congrats to him for being able to chillax on here.

Your hardly a part timer at 9775 posts.

My downfall is arguing with Tro, Lobby, Mr. K, Lizzy, etc.

I dream of Fev, Leigh, Keighley and Fax getting in Superleague.

Then I may be released from this treadmill......

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Quote - I think you will find that the MEN article is wrong. The truth lies elsewhere. It has been very bad PR from Salford but their future is secure.

Not seen this posted, but if true, are Salford just going to make up the numbers now, even if they survive?

They've lost a good few players from last seasons squad, signed one who'd you regard as a good squad player, not a front line one. All potential players available have been snapped up and its going to be a real job just to get a team on the field that has some unity and depth of teamwork. Timescales are against them.

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To be honest Shaun - if we still have a club to support next year that will have to be enough. Making up the numbers be it in SL or CC1 is better than having the club I supported since childhood disappear.

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To be honest Shaun - if we still have a club to support next year that will have to be enough. Making up the numbers be it in SL or CC1 is better than having the club I supported since childhood disappear.

Good on yer. Hope it works out.

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Quote - I think you will find that the MEN article is wrong. The truth lies elsewhere. It has been very bad PR from Salford but their future is secure.

Not seen this posted, but if true, are Salford just going to make up the numbers now, even if they survive?

They've lost a good few players from last seasons squad, signed one who'd you regard as a good squad player, not a front line one. All potential players available have been snapped up and its going to be a real job just to get a team on the field that has some unity and depth of teamwork. Timescales are against them.

Didn't Wakey and Crusaders pull together decent sides at the last minute??

Plenty of time yet shaun!!

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To be honest Shaun - if we still have a club to support next year that will have to be enough. Making up the numbers be it in SL or CC1 is better than having the club I supported since childhood disappear.

SO that's Bradford making up the numbers on half the funding and Salford making up the numbers as well.

Can't wait.

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Didn't Wakey and Crusaders pull together decent sides at the last minute??

Plenty of time yet shaun!!

Shame it was someone else's money.

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Shame it was someone else's money.

It's all on someone else's money SKY, creditors, local rich man, sponsors benevolence etc.

Perhaps all clubs SHOULD go back to part time and balance their books against turnstyle income??

It would be more honourable.

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SO that's Bradford making up the numbers on half the funding and Salford making up the numbers as well.

Can't wait.

I wonder if Salford can beat Halifax's record of 2003. They would have to do something like cheat the cap to get minus points though, so it may be hard.

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Didn't Wakey and Crusaders pull together decent sides at the last minute??

Plenty of time yet shaun!!

And Crusaders were full of legit players?

Its easy to sign a side containing players that have no right to work in the UK.

I hope Salford don't follow that route.

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I wonder if Salford can beat Halifax's record of 2003. They would have to do something like cheat the cap to get minus points though, so it may be hard.

Break the cap! It would be worth the points deduction to see us able to do that :lol:.- the only caps being broken will be the ones being handed round for donations, hopefully bursting with loose change ... . Bucket collections outside Tesco etc... being organised by fans for next week, if the supporters meeting on Monday does not get good news.

It might be hard to get minus points - but our club is very special and has proved capable of any kind of absurdity in the last few years. However at the moment there will be no club for people to laugh at anyway ;) I hope it doesn't come to that ...

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It's all on someone else's money SKY, creditors, local rich man, sponsors benevolence etc.

Perhaps all clubs SHOULD go back to part time and balance their books against turnstyle income??

It would be more honourable.

How you can use the absolute farce that was Crusaders as an example for Salford to follow and then justify it by claiming that running a club at an unsustainable loss is perfectly fine?

Advising anyone to run an enterprise illegally demonstrates you are neither a solicitor or an accountant but you do a fine interpretation of a merchant banker.

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It's all on someone else's money SKY, creditors, local rich man, sponsors benevolence etc.

Perhaps all clubs SHOULD go back to balancing their books against income??

It would be LEGAL.

FIXED

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Whats mind numbingly boring is your wishful thinking that RL can push and promote itself to such an extent it will turn everyone on and people will take the game up and watch the game and championship clubs will grow and flower into professional clubs etc etc etc.

Get a history of RL book and read the reality of the games struggles from day one to today. 126 years of struggle with another 126 to come.

As for YOU saying London junior RL is a "success story" my word how you can do an about turn and a back flip if it suits you?

The south east is a massive area such that we may just be able to sustain a junior RL big enough to feed a superleague club.

Whilst that is a success for us, what we will achieve is miniscule against what Soccer and RU achieve in London.

You know full well we are not a success in London but we have found enough interest across a very big place to make having an SL club there worthwhile.A success relative to our size.

All this "can be done" nada nada nada isn't debate. It's fantasy Rugby League.

Please can we have an additional forum on here for the fantasists??

Lets go into business together, I can formulate a sensible and realistic business plan for us whilst you close your eyes and dream we'll be marks and spencers.

After all your ranting, the fact remains London went from nothing to producing juniors from numerous RL teams in the face of an overwhelming soccer presence. I don't know where you get the idea from that I don't acknowledge the tremendous success, and it is a success even though it dosn't suit you to acknowledge that after lauding it the heavens in numerous other threads. I have always agreed with the tremendous growth of RL in London. The dispute I have with you is that that growth is as a result of London Broncos presence even though it is not anywhere near their base of operations.

So, if it can be done in London, the post stating that there is potential to develop RL In Wythenshaw, which wasn't me as I am not even sure where Wythenshaw is, cannot be just rubbished as being impratctical and un doable. The evidence is many parts of the UK is that it can be done. If it can be done in London, Wales and the midlands, why cannot it not be done in a suburb of Manchester.

Furthermore, don't lecture me on RL history. I have read practically every book there is to read and am well versed in it. I am aware that the game has had to struggle. It would probably be a struggle to develop the game in Wythenshaw. It dosn't mean it can't be done.

As for going into business with you, I don't think so. Your idea of taking a risk to move the business forward would probably only go as far as opening the shutters fearing robbery when it was done. We come from different philosphies altogether, you and I.

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1. The SL clubs struggle because they have to pay £1.6M wages and turn over £4M+ with only £1.2M of SKY money subsidy.

2. The CC clubs struggle because they have to pay £300K wages and turn over £1M.

Business wise it's a bigger struggle to find the money for Superleague.

The lower down the leagues you go the easier it is to survive.

Somehow championship clubs are worse at surviving than SL clubs.

But let's not let the facts get in the way of another dig at Superleague.

1. And the fact that they want to keep spending that amount instead of spending what they can afford has got a large number of them into their present precarious financial status, including Salford.

2. After you have posted at length about no self repecting investor will ever touch CC clubs, even though Fev have proved you colossally wrong, now its easier for CC clubs to survive because they manage their books and SL don't. You change your arguments more often than I change my socks when and as it suits your particular diatribe on any given day.

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SO that's Bradford making up the numbers on half the funding and Salford making up the numbers as well.

Can't wait.

There will be a warm welcome at Cougar Park if you survive and have to drop down.

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And Crusaders were full of legit players?

Its easy to sign a side containing players that have no right to work in the UK.

I hope Salford don't follow that route.

OK they'll have to follow Wakefields route.....

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The absolute farce that was Crusaders

Steady, their children Scorpions and North Wales Crusaders may be listening.

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