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What do you have to back that up that they cant be arsed hosting and if you are correct why do you consider this is the case?

are you serious?? do you know anything about international rugby league??? the aussies know theres little to no appetite for international RL during the aussie summer.......the 2004 & 2005 tri nations returned a healthy profit ( £750k -£1m) when held here........the 2006 tri nations held down under lost, in the words of david gallop, hundreds of thousands of dollars...its my understanding the world cup would have struggled to make a profit without the queensland government stumping up a few million to host the big semi & final

sure the NRL is worth a billion dollars.......but they struggle to make money out of internationals

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Really?

If you are a good player how would you get run over?

Surely when the JT said he has never heard of Sam Tomkins the advantage is with Tomkins...

How do Boxers get on then that have not met each other?

they figured sam out by chucking up a high ball

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are you serious?? do you know anything about international rugby league??? the aussies know theres little to no appetite for international RL during the aussie summer.......the 2004 & 2005 tri nations returned a healthy profit ( £750k -£1m) when held here........the 2006 tri nations held down under lost, in the words of david gallop, hundreds of thousands of dollars...its my understanding the world cup would have struggled to make a profit without the queensland government stumping up a few million to host the big semi & final

sure the NRL is worth a billion dollars.......but they struggle to make money out of internationals

That does not answer the question.

The lack of appetite is mainly due to England/GB not winning anything in two lifetimes.

Why are Internationals at such a low point? because the game in England has been run by mugs and Clubs more selfish than any NRL clubs have ever been.

I love how the poms whinge about Oz when its the poms that have let the game down massively for four decades, next you will be saying its SOO fault.

Australians lost interest in the poms ever being competitive, its that simple, losers do not sell well usually.

If England won a game once in awhile Test league would be what players and fans aspire to, the fact that England/GB have been so bad for so long is hardly Australia or their fans fault.

Its hard to sell ###### they say.

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they figured sam out by chucking up a high ball

They figured out Tomkins a lot more comprehensively than that, same as they easily worked out Roby.

Tomkins will never be a big issue to Australia, he will have to be marked and sorted, nothing more than NRL Clubs do week in week out.

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New Zealand are definitely better, and no 'results' or 'evidence' to the contrary will convince me otherwise.

When New Zealand win, it's two full-strength teams fighting it out in perfectly equal conditions with no advantage to either side.

When England win, it's because New Zealand were hardly able to field a team, with the Queen refereeing and England having the wind/slope in both halves.

+1

That should be the final word on the matter :D

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That is an on going myth.

Isn't Sinfield being nominated as the best player in the World at the moment? he is no spring chicken, how does that work? I thought Roby was close to the best Hooker in the game?

Englands forwards are not better, and the backs are nowhere near, if they were they would have won or come close more in the last 5 years.

For starters I didn't generally count the Hooker as I stated Aus dominate us in this position.

The Aus forwards are directed a hell of a lot better than Englands and are always running the right direction, and their kicking has been so much better than ours. Let's say both forwards make 40m off a set what generally happens after an England set is Slater picks it up on the 20m and makes it too the 30m. Then after an Aussie set Thurston/Smith kick it into the ingoal area/into touch around the 10m and we're starting our play from there. This happens countless times. I bet the England forwards get sick of carrying the ball from their own 10 20m it drains energy out of you.

Take the grand final for example, Wires pack is much superior to Leeds, not one Leeds forward should be considered near englands strongest 17 yet Wire with England definites in Westwood and Hill and players in contention like Carvell and Morley looked like a worse pack than Leeds. Why with better players did Wires pack look worse than Leeds? Might of been to do with the guy who got man of the match. Sinfield showed the direction and leadership of the Leeds team to what Smith and Thurston offer too Australia. When Wigan thumped leads at headingley individually the pack of Wigan was depleted and didn't seem to have much talent but the direction finch of leuleuai offered took Wigan through the game.

The point is that the direction and kicking game of Aus is something England don't have and why their forwards get the upper hand of us.

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Well, the Kiwi team that won the 4 Nations and the RWC were almost totally* made up of NRL players.

*Thomas Leuluai being the only exception, I think.

The RWC is the Rugby Union World Cup, and trademarked by the IRB, the Coup de monde Rugby XIII (the RLWC) has never been called the 'Rugby World Cup'.

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They figured out Tomkins a lot more comprehensively than that, same as they easily worked out Roby.

Tomkins will never be a big issue to Australia, he will have to be marked and sorted, nothing more than NRL Clubs do week in week out.

Wasn't supposedly the 'best Fullback in the NRL' shut out in the NRL Grand Final?... That analogy doesn't wash. If Melbourne 'found Barba out' then why didn't other team and why do Aussies rave about him?

Sometimes Tomkins has brain explosions under high-bombs, but didn't Slater cost the 'Roos the RLWC 2008?..

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They figured out Tomkins a lot more comprehensively than that, same as they easily worked out Roby.

Tomkins will never be a big issue to Australia, he will have to be marked and sorted, nothing more than NRL Clubs do week in week out.

Didn't he make a 40m ball return against them? Obviously must of missed something to allow him to get to get past 4 defenders. Watch 1:48 on the link below on how Thurston figures him out by letting him skip past him and gives it too Reed who puts hall in who scores in the corner. Or check the same video at 4:15 as Williams figures him out by letting him hand him off and let him too flick to Heighington who scorers without a finger laid on him. Or you can view Englands first try as Aussies winger was it Morris? tries to run out and hit Tomkins which gives Hall the chance to score in the corner. 3 out of 4 Englands tries had a heavy factor of Tomkins involved. He must be figured out I guess?

You can throw a link out of Tomkins dropping a high ball, but I'll be able to produce just as many of Slater making equally bad mistakes.

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Wasn't supposedly the 'best Fullback in the NRL' shut out in the NRL Grand Final?... That analogy doesn't wash. If Melbourne 'found Barba out' then why didn't other team and why do Aussies rave about him?

Sometimes Tomkins has brain explosions under high-bombs, but didn't Slater cost the 'Roos the RLWC 2008?..

Nope Slater is invincible and never makes mistakes especially in big games god don't be putting that tripe on here about the chosen one

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Nope Slater is invincible and never makes mistakes especially in big games god don't be putting that tripe on here about the chosen one

He was talking about barba.

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The RWC is the Rugby Union World Cup, and trademarked by the IRB, the Coup de monde Rugby XIII (the RLWC) has never been called the 'Rugby World Cup'.

It's a World Cup in the sport of Rugby. Therefore it is a Rugby World Cup. So is the the other code's Jonny-come-lately penalty kicking competition.

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He was talking about barba.

I was referring to when he mentioned Slaters cock up in the 08 WC final.

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I was referring to when he mentioned Slaters cock up in the 08 WC final.

Remember, Slater didn't cocker up, the ball or the Ref did... :D

Mr Capp, the Ref made a ridiculous amount of mistakes (in the Aussies favour) after he wrongly disallowed Briscoe's Try in the Second Half at Wembley.

It's a World Cup in the sport of Rugby. Therefore it is a Rugby World Cup. So is the the other code's Jonny-come-lately penalty kicking competition.

The 'Coup du monde de Rugby XIII' is the first Rugby World Cup but it has never been known as such, (Sir/King) Johnny-come-lately at the IRB patented the name Rugby World Cup, RWC, in the late-80s (?).

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Wasn't supposedly the 'best Fullback in the NRL' shut out in the NRL Grand Final?... That analogy doesn't wash. If Melbourne 'found Barba out' then why didn't other team and why do Aussies rave about him?

Sometimes Tomkins has brain explosions under high-bombs, but didn't Slater cost the 'Roos the RLWC 2008?..

Slater did something stupid and cost the Roos the RWC but Tomkins problems are due to lack of ability under a high ball. It can be corrected by a lot of practice but from the last 4 nations to this years Challenge Cup semi, he has yet to show that he has overcome his failings in that department, an area, it has to be said, of huge importance at the full back position.

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Wasn't supposedly the 'best Fullback in the NRL' shut out in the NRL Grand Final?... That analogy doesn't wash. If Melbourne 'found Barba out' then why didn't other team and why do Aussies rave about him?

Sometimes Tomkins has brain explosions under high-bombs, but didn't Slater cost the 'Roos the RLWC 2008?..

No Ganson did when he spotted Lockyer's knock-on that no one else did until the VR confimed it. Had that try been awarded then the Aussies would have taken an unassailable lead. Slater did make a mistake but that alone cannot be attributed as the main reason that Oz lost the game.

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