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Michael Ashton

Season Ticket Holders Nominations

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will the rfl be aware of this as it seems to flaunt their ruling

It would be down to who turned up at the AGM and put there votes on

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It would be down to who turned up at the AGM and put there votes on

my point is if someone is banned from rugby or the running of a club are they still allowed to have shares/debentures in that club or would the shares have to be transferred to some body else's name

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well I for one as a debenture holder want the clubs A of A's brought up to date and it should be one man one vote

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Surely it is a limited company and as such is controlled by the share holders or in our case debenture holders. It is a company registed by guarantee rather than shares but it follows that the company will be controlled by the majority of debentures held. I agree this is very unsatisfactory in our case but I think I'm right. I'll be interested to read what anybody else says. You wouldn't expect every shareholder in BAE to have 1 vote.

In a working mans club each member has one vote and usually pays a fixed sub each year.

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You are correct Michael and nothing has been done that is either illegal or against the a&a's, however I think these should be reviewed to allow a fairer election of board members. Reduce the board to 7 directors. Four voted by debenture holders and three by season ticket holders. That way the board have a more manageable structure and debenture holders still can have a majority but allowing more people to stand by the one man one vote method for season ticket holders.

I think I was naive last time as I thought the people who rescued the club would be elected as a matter of course what I did not realise was the voting undertones that went on from external influences and influences from within the club.

I was shocked when I saw the results as I'm sure many other people were...

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You mean the people that stepped in to cover the BOD positions?

Also does every Director now have to be re elected?

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I believe only two of the Directors voted in by season ticket holders will stand down at the AGM but they can stand to be voted back in if they wish. Other Directors can only be removed if they act against the rules set out within the Articles of Association such as personally profiting from the club or alternativly by request of the debenture holders at an EGM.

The debenture holders should be clearly shown what each individual Director has contributed to the running of the club during the past season and if there was cause for concern then an EGM should be called. This can occur at any time either before or after an AGM and any Director asked to stand down would then not complete the current term.

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what i dont understand about all this is why are people putting themselves forward when it sounds like they are only doing it because of the main debenture holders are wanting them to.the people on the bod should be there because they want to be there and have fresh ideas/input to push the club forward not to be the eyes and ears for someone else.if people do have the best interests of the club at heart and they were only doing this to do what is said above then they really do need to have a long hard look at themselves because if it carries on like this in years to come nobody will want to be on the board of directors if outsiders still have a big influence in all that goes on and that will result in no club to support or is this what certain people want to happen

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It has been formally minuted in meetings previous to the AGM that certain people actively touted votes from major debenture holders. For what gain other than becoming a guaranteed member of the board I'm not sure. I know when I was opted on to the board my achievements were what mattered.

If any member of the board disagree with my comments I still have the minutes signed and agreed by all members of the following meeting...

You would be very surprised if the truth came out about how the "dalton mafia" were voted out after stepping up to the plate. I think some people imagine that they are bullet proof or that certain people would never find out about what went on and was said.. How wrong people can be.

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So are you saying that we should change the rules to suit the people that didn't get on the BOD last time around ? Because that's what it sounds like. Would you be kicking off if it had panned out like you imagined.. I don't think so

I agree with Michael's posted.

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DWB read my posts again..I agree with Michael what I'm saying is there are fairer ways of working the election of members. It's barrows loss not mine that Neil didn't get on the board and if you can't see why or how that happened then you need to wake up and smell the coffee. If your happy with the way things are then that's great. I personally think we need modern upto date a&a's that also give the fans more of a say in the election of board members rather than the large debenture holders being able to chose 9 of the 12 positions. I say again cut the board to 7, 4 elected via debenture holders and 3 elected via season ticket holder through a one man one vote system for the season ticket holders.

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Just for the record, I have multiple debentures but would be happy with only 1 vote.

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So are you saying that we should change the rules to suit the people that didn't get on the BOD last time around ? Because that's what it sounds like. Would you be kicking off if it had panned out like you imagined.. I don't think so

Very well put.

I agree with Michael's posted.

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Im sure that all those that took the time out to go and use there debentures to vote would like to know that they were not waisting there time if the outcome is all the result of a few people.

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Unfortunately things come back round to bite people on the ass.

Surely if you think the voting was the corrupt there is something that can be done?

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Not corrupt just orchestrated..nothing illegal or against the rules. Perhaps that is why the rules need to be looked at very carefully and a decision made for the benefit of the club.

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All Limited Companies are controlled by share holders and the greater the holding the more control the individual has. Look at some of the Premier football clubs.

I'm not a lawyer but I would have thought the only action would be to wind the company up and form a members club. I think that would only open another massive can of worms with the Inland Revenue,the Bank,the Building Society and many other groups and organisations. Apart frrom anything else it would mean liquidating the company by selling all the assets and paying off the liabilities.

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I'm not suggesting the rights are taken away. I just think that there should be more representation from the season ticket holders through their one man one vote. As I say 4 directors voted for by the debenture holders and 3 by the season ticket holder would be more reasonable. When the debenture holders are allowed to vote for nine directors they can effectively block people from the board.

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Do you really think having just 1 vote per person would of affected the outcome of the new BoD?

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At least you would have the BoD that the majority of number of people vote for

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Expressed my opinion and explained why..we all have our own and it's down to the debenture holders to agree any changes proposed.

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