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Again, how can a club be classed as a feeder/A-Team with only 4-5 players in a 25-30 man squad at any given time?

Gav I respect you and you have some very good informative views but this one is not one. The link ups mean they can cherry pick your players and no fee will be payed. So if you produce another brough etc would you be happy for him to leave for nothing? You remind me of an horse on this subject mate running around with blinkers on.

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Gav I respect you and you have some very good informative views but this one is not one. The link ups mean they can cherry pick your players and no fee will be payed. So if you produce another brough etc would you be happy for him to leave for nothing? You remind me of an horse in this subject mate running around with blinkers on.

Brough did leave for nothing. As did Tom Lineham, who came through the Knights scholarship program.

The best players will always end up in SuperLeague so I don't have an issue with it. At least this way York actually get something out of the deal.

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Brough did leave for nothing. As did Tom Lineham, who came through the Knights scholarship program.

The best players will always end up in SuperLeague so I don't have an issue with it. At least this way York actually get something out of the deal.

I agree some clubs have had no choice really in the matter in these financial times and I respect that but for them to turn round and say they are not feeder clubs I don't accept. Maybe York players will leave for nothing but IMO that's your BODs fault as they should sign them up earlier or for longer contracts so they can get a fee for the players.

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I agree some clubs have had no choice really in the matter in these financial times and I respect that but for them to turn round and say they are not feeder clubs I don't accept. Maybe York players will leave for nothing but IMO that's your BODs fault as they should sign them up earlier or for longer contracts so they can get a fee for the players.

And what about players who demand a SuperLeague release clause in their contract? (Which is perfectly understandable I might add)

4-5 players in a 25-30 man squad does not a feeder club make.

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Again, how can a club be classed as a feeder/A-Team with only 4-5 players in a 25-30 man squad at any given time?

Because when Doncaster have deveoped the 4 under players iagreement.

nto SL quality players, they will be recalled from the A team to the SL team. They will be "fed" into the parent system for their betterment and there will be no gains for Doncaster from the whole

agreement.

Further, if it suits Wakefield, they will do this mid season, no matter maybe that Doncaster are vying for the of of CC. They will just sacrifce Doncaster's season for the greater glory of the Wildcats. They will be treated as what they are, a feeder team, an A team existing soley for the benefit of Wakefield.

This coming season, it will be 4 players. If the system proves of benefit to the SL club, they will surely extend it to 6,8,10 players. They will save themselves even more money and have to run even less development teams themselves. They will be able to use Doncaster to do that and they will destroy them as an independent club capable of achieving their own place in RL in the process.

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Doncaster aren't developing the players though, they are loaning them. Wakefield are developing them.

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1. When Doncaster are looking to build on the good start they have made with stabilising their finances, winning the double in CC1 and moving up to the CC ( the momentum you were questioning ), by courting and looking for investors to push them onwards and uopwards a la Fev, is the fact that they are a feeder club/A team for Wakefield not a big negative.

2. I notice that a huge soccer club in Toulouse has not stopped you from championing the SL application from the Toulouse RL club.

1. Yes it's a big negative.

it's a hugely massive negative of gigantic proportions with knobs on if you have ambitions of Superleague.

Have you asked Donny if they plan to take the "A La Fev" route???

Did you ring the Donny club up, or EMail their chief executive???

Did the cheif exec say, Yes Mr. K it's a bummer this deal we have freely signed to???

Did you pledge to save them from this deal so they can look to new investors to take them into Superleague?

Who are these new investors?

It seems to me you have the same dream as me - that Donny will be day be in SL and be a big RL town.

Maybe Donny don't share that dream with us? :(

2. Yes I champion their inclusion, after all the basic requisite is there. They actually are applying and want to be in.

They said so......

So I dream of them becoming a catalans.

Alas we are a pair of sad old dreamers :(

But I make sure others want to be in my dreams first before dreaming in public :lol:

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I am not in favour of these link ups but in this instance it seems a good move,

Doncaster get to loan/DR 4 players which it seems they already did last season and look at the success they had,

Having finally reached the Cc they need to compete to stay there, why would they not want to augment their squad with 4 SL fringe players? Most everyone else is doing it and certainly all their 'competitors' are.

What harm can it do for the Donny coaching team and players to train with/learn from an established SL club who may be sleeping giants just waking up and who punched above their weight last season

Having had a succesful season and hopefully got a few more fans interested they can now develop that interest by trumpetting the visit of an SL club for an exhibition match and maybe make a few quid too

Wakefield get to develop 4 of their lesser squad members by keeping them match active in the Cc until they are ready to break into the SL side

They get to appeal to the Donny area as the local SL club

And most importantly they get to play with the big boys as a bigger club taking a smaller club under their wing, they would not like to be seen as a lesser set up next time the SL licenses are doled out

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Doncaster aren't developing the players though, they are loaning them. Wakefield are developing them.

Which team will they be playing, Wakefield or Doncaster ? Which coaching staff will be advising them, moulding thre strengths and weaknesses of their game etc. If they nimprove as a result of all that they will be returned to wakefield as developped, gfinished products. Doncaster are developing them on the cheap for the greater golry of Wakefield. Wakefield are the ones loaning them seeing as they are their players

1. Yes it's a big negative.

it's a hugely massive negative of gigantic proportions with knobs on if you have ambitions of Superleague.

Have you asked Donny if they plan to take the "A La Fev" route???

Did you ring the Donny club up, or EMail their chief executive???

Did the cheif exec say, Yes Mr. K it's a bummer this deal we have freely signed to???

Did you pledge to save them from this deal so they can look to new investors to take them into Superleague?

Who are these new investors?

It seems to me you have the same dream as me - that Donny will be day be in SL and be a big RL town.

Maybe Donny don't share that dream with us? :(

2. Yes I champion their inclusion, after all the basic requisite is there. They actually are applying and want to be in.

They said so......

So I dream of them becoming a catalans.

Alas we are a pair of sad old dreamers :(

But I make sure others want to be in my dreams first before dreaming in public :lol:

You do make the most stupid demands. Have you called all these people to find out that they don't EVER want to be in SL. Clearly the Chief Executive of Doncaster thinks this feeder club arrangement will be good for Doncaster or else he wouldn't have signed up to it. I have a right to differ with that opinion and I do. Wakefield are not philanthropists. They are doing this to save themselves money and get free coaching and playing time for some of their extra players. I am not sure that there will be any long term benefit for Doncaster from this arrangement. Time will tell.

Stop baiting me about who any investors might be. Obviously I have no clue or there might indeed be none. Overall though they keep coming out of the woodwork and Doncaster is big enough to have some lurking out there.

If the Doncaster management have no long term ambitions to be in SL, then that's up to them, but I would hope they want to take their club just as far as it can go and to me , ultinmtely that would be SL.

2. The point about Toulouse was that the City has a big soccer team and a big RU team but you still champion their SL application. That is in direct contrast for your disdain for any Doncaster or Sheffield ambitions for SL because the two cities have soccer teams playing there. You want to have your cake and eat it as well. Be consistent and don't change your basic arguments just to make debating points.

If people didn't have dreams and make them realities,the human race would still be living in caves, in Hunslet probably..

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I am not in favour of these link ups but in this instance it seems a good move,

Doncaster get to loan/DR 4 players which it seems they already did last season and look at the success they had,

Having finally reached the Cc they need to compete to stay there, why would they not want to augment their squad with 4 SL fringe players? Most everyone else is doing it and certainly all their 'competitors' are.

What harm can it do for the Donny coaching team and players to train with/learn from an established SL club who may be sleeping giants just waking up and who punched above their weight last season

Having had a succesful season and hopefully got a few more fans interested they can now develop that interest by trumpetting the visit of an SL club for an exhibition match and maybe make a few quid too

Wakefield get to develop 4 of their lesser squad members by keeping them match active in the Cc until they are ready to break into the SL side

They get to appeal to the Donny area as the local SL club

And most importantly they get to play with the big boys as a bigger club taking a smaller club under their wing, they would not like to be seen as a lesser set up next time the SL licenses are doled out

That's a logical take on the feeder team scenario and here might be a lot of truth in it. It's my fear though that rather than what you see happening what will really happen is that if Doncaster are challenging for honours in the CC, using the loan players, that challenge will be ruined on th spot with no regard for the Doncaster club by Wakefield deciding they will rdecall those players because they need them or just because they can.

Another negative for me is that if Doncaster see some promising juniors from their area and afre thinking to sign them, they may not as they can save the expense and risk by just waiting for the next crop of loanees from Wakefield. Furthermore if any of Doncaster's own players look like being SL quality, the cosy arrangements with Wakefield will have them signed for the SL club with little or no remuneration coming to Doncaster and further weakening the Doncaster team.

On a final note, most of Doncaster's major competitors are not taking the SL shilling. Fev, Halifax, Leigh, Sheffield and Keighley are going it alone.

I hope you afre right and the arrangements are mutually beneficial to both clubs but I have my doubts. Time will tell.

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Which team will they be playing, Wakefield or Doncaster ? Which coaching staff will be advising them, moulding thre strengths and weaknesses of their game etc. If they nimprove as a result of all that they will be returned to wakefield as developped, gfinished products. Doncaster are developing them on the cheap for the greater golry of Wakefield. Wakefield are the ones loaning them seeing as they are their players

They will be playing for Doncaster on a Sunday, and training full time with Wakefield.

Wakefield are the ones who are developing them.

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They will be playing for Doncaster on a Sunday, and training full time with Wakefield.

Wakefield are the ones who are developing them.

Well, blow me down. So they are just expected to mesh into the Doncaster team structure and have no input from the Doncaster coaches and no rapport with the Doncaster players. This is such a positive move for Doncaster. Their team will play so much better because of that half a***ed arrangement.

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That's a logical take on the feeder team scenario and here might be a lot of truth in it. It's my fear though that rather than what you see happening what will really happen is that if Doncaster are challenging for honours in the CC, using the loan players, that challenge will be ruined on th spot with no regard for the Doncaster club by Wakefield deciding they will rdecall those players because they need them or just because they can.

Another negative for me is that if Doncaster see some promising juniors from their area and afre thinking to sign them, they may not as they can save the expense and risk by just waiting for the next crop of loanees from Wakefield. Furthermore if any of Doncaster's own players look like being SL quality, the cosy arrangements with Wakefield will have them signed for the SL club with little or no remuneration coming to Doncaster and further weakening the Doncaster team.

On a final note, most of Doncaster's major competitors are not taking the SL shilling. Fev, Halifax, Leigh, Sheffield and Keighley are going it alone.

I hope you afre right and the arrangements are mutually beneficial to both clubs but I have my doubts. Time will tell.

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You flatter Doncaster,

i said MOST EVERYONE else is doing it, the competitors I reffered to are not Fev, Fax Leigh and co. more like Hunslet, Workington, Swinton, Doncaster, York and Haven

Donny have just been promoted, lets not get carried away, its really looking like 2 leagues within a league.

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You flatter Doncaster,

i said MOST EVERYONE else is doing it, the competitors I reffered to are not Fev, Fax Leigh and co. more like Hunslet, Workington, Swinton, Doncaster, York and Haven

Donny have just been promoted, lets not get carried away, its really looking like 2 leagues within a league.

Fair enough. Watch out for Dewsbury. They could be the big improvers this next season.

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At last, you've accepted your getting carried away....

No I havn't accepted any such thing. I have my opinion of these feeder club deals and timhammonds has his. Neither one of us yet knows which scenario will be proven correct. As I have said on a couple of occasions, time will tell.

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That's a logical take on the feeder team scenario and here might be a lot of truth in it. It's my fear though that rather than what you see happening what will really happen is that if Doncaster are challenging for honours in the CC, using the loan players, that challenge will be ruined on th spot with no regard for the Doncaster club by Wakefield deciding they will rdecall those players because they need them or just because they can.

Another negative for me is that if Doncaster see some promising juniors from their area and afre thinking to sign them, they may not as they can save the expense and risk by just waiting for the next crop of loanees from Wakefield. Furthermore if any of Doncaster's own players look like being SL quality, the cosy arrangements with Wakefield will have them signed for the SL club with little or no remuneration coming to Doncaster and further weakening the Doncaster team.

On a final note, most of Doncaster's major competitors are not taking the SL shilling. Fev, Halifax, Leigh, Sheffield and Keighley are going it alone.

I hope you afre right and the arrangements are mutually beneficial to both clubs but I have my doubts. Time will tell.

Watch out for 14 year-old Jared Roach.

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Brough did leave for nothing. As did Tom Lineham, who came through the Knights scholarship program.

The best players will always end up in SuperLeague so I don't have an issue with it. At least this way York actually get something out of the deal.

Brough started at Wakefield (apt really) and left us for nothing too :)

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The big disappointment for me with these clubs linking is that there is no uniformity in the deals that are being struck and there does not appear to be any set rules other than the Championship club can use up to 5 SL players on dual registration.

Deals such as the Giants including the Batley players in their BUPA medical scheme seems to be a one off and obviously gives Batley an advantage because that is money they will not have to spend themselves. Other deals like Rochdale with Saints have seen the Under 20's coach from Saints who would have no team to coach at Saints become the coach of Rochdale with two other members of the Saints coaching staff assisting him. Other clubs can pop down the road and use the SL clubs facilities and staff, etc, whilst others because of the distance between their club and their SL twin can only hope that they can have the loan of 5 decent players who will not get tired of travelling each week for training and home matches.

Many Championship clubs have accepted this arrangement mainly because of the 5 players they could get to add to their squad and also because they didn't want to be left out after the initial Leeds/Hunslet link was arranged. For teams like Workington it means that by adding the 5 Widnes players to our squad we have more money available to pay the travel bills, etc, in order to remain solvent and even once again hopefully show a working profit.

It will be interesting to see how some of these links unfold but because there are so many variations in what is available, etc, I cannot accept that integrity of the Championship competition has not been affected.

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Let's say a club is not in a partnership what are the rules on the DR players and loan players they're allowed?

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Let's say a club is not in a partnership what are the rules on the DR players and loan players they're allowed?

If your club isn't linked with a SL club you can only loan players you can't have any DR players.

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The big disappointment for me with these clubs linking is that there is no uniformity in the deals that are being struck and there does not appear to be any set rules other than the Championship club can use up to 5 SL players on dual registration.

Deals such as the Giants including the Batley players in their BUPA medical scheme seems to be a one off and obviously gives Batley an advantage because that is money they will not have to spend themselves. Other deals like Rochdale with Saints have seen the Under 20's coach from Saints who would have no team to coach at Saints become the coach of Rochdale with two other members of the Saints coaching staff assisting him. Other clubs can pop down the road and use the SL clubs facilities and staff, etc, whilst others because of the distance between their club and their SL twin can only hope that they can have the loan of 5 decent players who will not get tired of travelling each week for training and home matches.

Many Championship clubs have accepted this arrangement mainly because of the 5 players they could get to add to their squad and also because they didn't want to be left out after the initial Leeds/Hunslet link was arranged. For teams like Workington it means that by adding the 5 Widnes players to our squad we have more money available to pay the travel bills, etc, in order to remain solvent and even once again hopefully show a working profit.

It will be interesting to see how some of these links unfold but because there are so many variations in what is available, etc, I cannot accept that integrity of the Championship competition has not been affected.

I agree Keith but the main reason these link ups have come about is so the SL clubs don't lose their most talented kids and if say your club Workington have a good player that they think can make SL they will take him off your hands for no fee payed to yourselves that's why I believe the champ clubs in these link ups are feeder clubs.What is the point in clubs working their bits off to produce good local talent for the SL clubs to pinch for no fee. I know a good player would go if a SL club came calling but I would rather get the money as it softens the blow of losing the player.

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If your club isn't linked with a SL club you can only loan players you can't have any DR players.

I see, how many loans is it?

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