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What if teachers were armed? Would we be taking about a teacher flipping out me opening up on an unruly student?

We can't comprehend the mindset of pro gun lobby in the states. It is deeply ingrained in their culture. For the most part it is distrust and fear that other people may have a gun. The more I learn about American culture the more it seems that they live in fear ad ignorance. Whether it is the threat of communism, socialism, Islam, atheists or liberals, there always seems to be something that they have to fear and a threat to the American way.

The American way is shoot first unfortunately..

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America is not a civilised country, they have had centuries to prove it and have continually failed,

Any country were it is the right of citizens to have the means legally to have at their disposal enough weaponry to wipe out a class of school kids without trying hard to get the slaying tools is sick from top to bottom.

More or less what I think.

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Some of the pro gun lobby in the states are saying it could have been prevented if the teachers were armed :wacko:

Michael Moore (yes, I know) tweeted this yesterday:

''If only the first victim, Adam Lanz's mother had been a gun owner, she could have stopped this before it started.''

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What if teachers were armed? Would we be taking about a teacher flipping out me opening up on an unruly student?

We can't comprehend the mindset of pro gun lobby in the states. It is deeply ingrained in their culture. For the most part it is distrust and fear that other people may have a gun. The more I learn about American culture the more it seems that they live in fear ad ignorance. Whether it is the threat of communism, socialism, Islam, atheists or liberals, there always seems to be something that they have to fear and a threat to the American way.

Gun ownership in the states is declining; ask about who should own guns and of what type (rather than say, "Do you want the President to stop you owning a gun?") and a majority of both gun owners and non-gun owners favour increased control.

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Michael Moore (yes, I know) tweeted this yesterday:

''If only the first victim, Adam Lanz's mother had been a gun owner, she could have stopped this before it started.''

The guns used were registered to Lanz's mother. It's more accurate to say that if only Lanz's mother wasn't a gun owner then this tragedy may not have happened.

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The NRA don't want any new controls as they see it as opening the wedge (crossing the rubicon?).

Many new laws infact make owning guns easier and many states don't require any registration of what you have bought (some states have shredded past records). No one has a clue who owns what.

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The guns used were registered to Lanz's mother. It's more accurate to say that if only Lanz's mother wasn't a gun owner then this tragedy may not have happened.

I know that, and I agree with you. However MM was countering the NRA and gun lobby's standard defense of gun ownership. i.e. If gun ownership was spread wider the 'good' guys with guns would be able to mow down the 'bad' guys with guns before they could do any real harm. That fact that the first victim in this case was armed to the hilt blows that argument right out of the water.

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Yes, because everyone who owns a gun is going to "lose the plot" it comes with ownership of a gun.

Where did i say everyone is going to lose the plot?

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Was talking amicably enough with an american on facebook the other day. He simply could not comprehend that access to guns was the problem. He repeated the "teachers should have been packing and it would have been stopped" line. This guy isn't an idiot, I've met him several times, he's not gung-ho, but he can't shift from the "right to bear arms" paradigm.

Very sad, but a massive cultural gap lies between us and most americans on this issue.

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How do we account for the fact that other nations have just as many firearms per capita but not the level of gun crime?

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These people are obviously foreigners on holiday in the states.

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These people are obviously foreigners on holiday in the states.

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Pinko commie liberal fags

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Ive just come off FB now.I was on a thread from a Philadelphia Daily news journalist he is called Will Bunch a leftist Liberal .Last two days he has had a different man not only defending gun ownership,but all kinds of insults against people campaigning for gun control.He mentioned all kinds of incidents what didnt involve guns and he said and you bunch of lily liberals are going on about 27 people all because 20 were children.Now he may well have been a sick troll,but I had to come away

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How do we account for the fact that other nations have just as many firearms per capita but not the level of gun crime?

We don't because there are very few such countries and they usually have insanely gun crime rates. Switzerland is about the only exception.

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We don't because there are very few such countries and they usually have insanely gun crime rates. Switzerland is about the only exception.

Canada? The Nordic countries?

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What are the rules in Canada regarding assault rifles? Also, Switzerland is hardly comparable as gun ownership is linked to national service and the reserve forces I believe.

Which, coincidently, is the reason for the second amendment of the US constitution, which specifically mentions the word militia within it, in regards to gun ownership.

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Canada? The Nordic countries?

None of them get close to the US in terms of gun ownership (only Yemen does).

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What are the rules in Canada regarding assault rifles? Also, Switzerland is hardly comparable as gun ownership is linked to national service and the reserve forces I believe.

Some are allowed but magazines are restricted to 5 rounds.

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There is the solution. Don't limit gun ownership limit access to bullets. Cos without bullets a gun is an expensive stick

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We don't because there are very few such countries and they usually have insanely gun crime rates. Switzerland is about the only exception.

My mistake - last time I believe an urban myth and don't check the data.

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There is the solution. Don't limit gun ownership limit access to bullets. Cos without bullets a gun is an expensive stick

Problem is people are able to make their own bullets.

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