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Some of the pro gun lobby in the states are saying it could have been prevented if the teachers were armed :wacko:

Or if the six year old children were armed. According to one American commentator on the radio this morning, this is being advocated by some.

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What are the rules in Canada regarding assault rifles? Also, Switzerland is hardly comparable as gun ownership is linked to national service and the reserve forces I believe.

Which, coincidently, is the reason for the second amendment of the US constitution, which specifically mentions the word militia within it, in regards to gun ownership.

And a "well regulated" militia at that.

If people want to get all constitutional, it is made clear in there that "militia" doesn't mean groups of heavily armed people doing whatever the hell they like with their own guns, it means an organised trained, armed and disciplined militia under the control of the government.

Article One of the US constitution

The Congress shall have Power To...

To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;

To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years

To provide and maintain a Navy;

To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;

To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;

To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;

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And a "well regulated" militia at that.

If people want to get all constitutional, it is made clear in there that "militia" doesn't mean groups of heavily armed people doing whatever the hell they like with their own guns, it means an organised trained, armed and disciplined militia under the control of the government.

Article One of the US constitution

The Congress shall have Power To...

To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;

To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years

To provide and maintain a Navy;

To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;

To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;

To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;

Under the control of the individual state not the US government. The early US was a federation of independent countries.

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Under the control of the individual state not the US government. The early US was a federation of independent countries.

No quite being a pendant here but it was a CONfederation of independant countries,

quite a few americans died because on these extra three letters and their meaning

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Under the control of the individual state not the US government. The early US was a federation of independent countries.

It still looks pretty clear to me that the aim was a trained and organised militia under the ultimate supervision of the US Congress, not a free for all where anyone can carry a gun because they think it makes them look hard.

The second amendment reads

"A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed"

It seems to me that the odd interpretation of that comma in the middle kills 3,000 children and teenagers every year in the US.

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Of course the American constitution is set in stone and any alteration will not be tolerated. (except perhaps the 18th amendment, which has been repealed in full by the 21st)

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It still looks pretty clear to me that the aim was a trained and organised militia under the ultimate supervision of the US Congress, not a free for all where anyone can carry a gun because they think it makes them look hard.

The second amendment reads

"A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed"

It seems to me that the odd interpretation of that comma in the middle kills 3,000 children and teenagers every year in the US.

Not congress, the individual state. The original USA was not intended to be a unitary state.

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Some posts from a forum with lots of Yanks. I genuinely haven't made these up. One forumite went down the "cold dead hands" line.

TheLoneGunman: I've never threatened to move. The Founders didn't threaten to move either.

I wouldn't give up my life for a gun, I'd give it up for my ideals.

Gordy [Me]: Your ideals would die with you.
Gagenater: Good eliminationist stuff, but if 100 million other people agree with TheLoneGunman, then no idiots will attempt to disarm the American populace in the first place, and your sick fantasy of the government killing off it's citizens won't happen.
RedRalphWiggum: Sick fantasy? Me and Gordy don't agree on much but I'm pretty sure he is not fantasising about the American government butchering 100,000,000 civilians.

you people are insanely paranoid. I had no idea how frightened you are.

Gagenater: Then what part of 'your ideals will die with you' do you think that I misinterpreted? Gordy cleary wishes to kill (or to otherwise have dead) people who defend American gun laws as they now exist?

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Some posts from a forum with lots of Yanks. I genuinely haven't made these up. One forumite went down the "cold dead hands" line.

Lastnights early evening news they went round central philadelphia and there were still one or two people sayng "guns dont kill, its people who kill"

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Sound familiar? There are no bad dogs, only bad owners.

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Sound familiar? There are no bad dogs, only bad owners.

Not a great analogy; there are many good and useful things a dog can do besides bite innocent people (sheep dogs, guide dogs, sniffer dogs etc), you can only use a gun for killing.

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Not a great analogy; there are many good and useful things a dog can do besides bite innocent people (sheep dogs, guide dogs, sniffer dogs etc), you can only use a gun for killing.

Not a great analogy; there are many good and useful things a dog can do besides bite innocent people (sheep dogs, guide dogs, sniffer dogs etc), you can only use a gun for killing.

The rapid fire assault guns beats me why anyone wants to own one

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Sound familiar? There are no bad dogs, only bad owners.

Good greif

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America. Where it is illegal to buy a Kinder egg, but legal to buy an assault rifle. Where guns are a right and healthcare is a privilege.

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You can't import Haggis into America. A damning indictment of their culture.

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America. Where it is illegal to buy a Kinder egg, but legal to buy an assault rifle. Where guns are a right and healthcare is a privilege.

Thanks for that one,Ive used it a few times over here.

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Just caught the NRA press conference. Utterly unbelievable.

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Just been watching that too. There are no 4 words that can describe how I feel about this idiot. Complete and utter madness!! Appalling!

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Mr. LaPierre says, "The only way, the only way to stop a monster from killing our kids is to be personally involved and... the only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is to have a good guy with a gun."

Lapierre: Gun-free school zones tell every insane killer that schools are places to inflict maximum pain at minimum risk

see Wall Street Journal blog

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Just caught the NRA press conference. Utterly unbelievable.

Totally agree. What if a so-called security guy turns to killer!

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Just been watching that too. There are no words that can describe how I feel about this idiot. Complete and utter madness!! Appalling!

That's 4 words you found though John. My own word is obscene.

Difficult to know how you can possibly debate with the kind of mindset the NRA and it's fellow travellers have.

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Not a great analogy; there are many good and useful things a dog can do besides bite innocent people (sheep dogs, guide dogs, sniffer dogs etc), you can only use a gun for killing.

Guess what? The NRA guy just repeated "guns don't kill, people do." un- ###### believable!

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Just been watching that too. There are no 4 words that can describe how I feel about this idiot. Complete and utter madness!! Appalling!

Corrected.

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Gun ownership in the states is declining;

The papers are reporting that gun shops all over the states cannot keep up with demand.

I doubt it is still declining.

Insane.

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