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When are the fans going to take responsibility?

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Never. Moaning about moaning is perhaps even more tedious than the moaning itself.

To be fair, I don't think this thread is a moan about the moaners thread. People can moan all they want, the bigger issue is when this a) affects sponsorship, coverage, perception of our game etc. and B) when fans just don't get behind the things that could make a massive difference for our game.

The international scene is the most important thing IMHO, we all find ourselves complaining about how the test scene is organised, yet often organisers are faced with a very lacklustre audience. I really hope that we see full grounds all over the place for the WC next year, and people show that there is a desire to watch nations like Tonga, Samoa, PNG etc. Early signs are positive, but then I have seen far too many pi$$=poor crowds for tests versus NZ (which pretty much never disappoint on the field) to get too carried away.

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Nice selective use of figures. We never had a 15.5k average.

"seasons in the sun" Tony Hannan. Bradford Bulls 2000 average crowd 15,350.

Gillette yearbook 2010 - 2011 Tim Butcher Bradford Bulls average crowd 8,436

Take it up with the publishers Matt.

heavy discounted season tickets got fans back.

So it's fair enough to say the fans contributed to the clubs troubles, but no blame can be attached to them it's a free country.

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To be fair, I don't think this thread is a moan about the moaners thread. People can moan all they want, the bigger issue is when this a) affects sponsorship, coverage, perception of our game etc. and B) when fans just don't get behind the things that could make a massive difference for our game.

The international scene is the most important thing IMHO, we all find ourselves complaining about how the test scene is organised, yet often organisers are faced with a very lacklustre audience. I really hope that we see full grounds all over the place for the WC next year, and people show that there is a desire to watch nations like Tonga, Samoa, PNG etc. Early signs are positive, but then I have seen far too many pi$$=poor crowds for tests versus NZ (which pretty much never disappoint on the field) to get too carried away.

Yes. Chicken and egg though, isn't it? People don't go to internationals because it's all a bit low-key, whereas if you get a good crowd there......

I do think we're all a bit guilty on here of overestimating how much impact this (and other) forums have in terms of getting bums on seats/putting people off going to games.

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Yes. Chicken and egg though, isn't it? People don't go to internationals because it's all a bit low-key, whereas if you get a good crowd there......

I do think we're all a bit guilty on here of overestimating how much impact this (and other) forums have in terms of getting bums on seats/putting people off going to games.

It is, it's why I'm really hoping the World Cup can change people's perceptions of International RL. Sometimes we can get too bogged down with the politics and rules etc. and we forget to just bloody enjoy the game!

I went over to Oz in 2008 for the last WC and loved it. I also can't wait for games like NZ v Samoa, Eng v Aus, Scotland v Tonga, Ireland v Australia next year.

On your last point, I agree, but then my experience is pretty negative out in the real world. I moved to Edinburgh 3 years ago, and the difference in attitude when there is a major RU international in town was a massive eye-opener for me.

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It is, it's why I'm really hoping the World Cup can change people's perceptions of International RL. Sometimes we can get too bogged down with the politics and rules etc. and we forget to just bloody enjoy the game!

I went over to Oz in 2008 for the last WC and loved it. I also can't wait for games like NZ v Samoa, Eng v Aus, Scotland v Tonga, Ireland v Australia next year.

Amen to that. It's a great chance to showcase the sport.

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It is, it's why I'm really hoping the World Cup can change people's perceptions of International RL. Sometimes we can get too bogged down with the politics and rules etc. and we forget to just bloody enjoy the game!

I went over to Oz in 2008 for the last WC and loved it. I also can't wait for games like NZ v Samoa, Eng v Aus, Scotland v Tonga, Ireland v Australia next year.

On your last point, I agree, but then my experience is pretty negative out in the real world. I moved to Edinburgh 3 years ago, and the difference in attitude when there is a major RU international in town was a massive eye-opener for me.

Its quite amazing that this should come as I ended up watching Fijii V France from the 2008 WC on u tube quite by chance earlier today. The atmosphere was amazing and the crowd fenzied. The Fijian flag was everywhere in the stands. I too have great hopes for this next WC and will definitely be at the Fiji v Ireland game at Rochdale. The RU autumn internationals should be on at the same time and, if we get tererestrial coverage, should be a great showcase of the superiority of our game as a spectacle over the dross of the penalty kick competition.

I hope the weather co operates because, for all its other faults, the 2000 WC was severly affected by the worst November for a long long time. I was at the last four nations competition and quite caught the international bug. Wembley wsas great and we could so nearly have beaten the Aussies. A packed and roaring KC stadium for the win over the Kiwis was awesome and I even had a great day at Wrexham for the low key Wales v Australia gamde which Wales were winning 2 tries to one just before half time before the wheels fell off. The final at Elland Road was a disapppointment but the crowd was encouraging. Yes I am looking forwad to the next RWC.

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The 'fan's make lots of stupid decisions.

Like not attending games because its too expensive/too cheap/we'll definitely win/we'll definitely lose/its the cats birthday/I have the right not to attend/I hate the RFL but they were ok in the past.

Yada yada....

Then come on the internet to blame everyone else for their own apathy.

When you're living on the breadline, and you've got kids, it's not a stuid decision to say you can't afford to go to the games because they are too expensive.

Not everyone can afford to go in the current climate can they?

No one has ever complained the game was too cheap, or the cats birthday, or for that matter "yada yada yada". Your post is the usual nonsense directed at decent customers.

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Not everyone can afford to go in the current climate can they?

No, they can't, that is true. And not every fan has RL as the top priority. Equally we should not exclude the 100,000 or more people who watch SL games on Sky. For me this is the big one:I hate the RFL but they were ok in the past.

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No, they can't, that is true. And not every fan has RL as the top priority. Equally we should not exclude the 100,000 or more people who watch SL games on Sky. For me this is the big one:I hate the RFL but they were ok in the past.

But I would suggest the amount of people not turning up for games to see their club due to this reason is absolutely minimal.

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When you're living on the breadline, and you've got kids, it's not a stuid decision to say you can't afford to go to the games because they are too expensive.

Not everyone can afford to go in the current climate can they?

No one has ever complained the game was too cheap, or the cats birthday, or for that matter "yada yada yada". Your post is the usual nonsense directed at decent customers.

Decent customers? I'd look elsewhere if it was my business.

So....all these football fans are living in a different country or are all millionaires are they? Strange that Bradford City had a full stadium for their cup game the other night in my city, and there aren't too many well off people here these days I can assure you of that.

Fact is, apathy rules amongst most RL fans. They would be world champs at excuses though.

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No, they can't, that is true. And not every fan has RL as the top priority. Equally we should not exclude the 100,000 or more people who watch SL games on Sky. For me this is the big one:I hate the RFL but they were ok in the past.

I don't have RL as my top priority by any stretch. But if there's a game on, and I am free then I'm in. I can't always go or even maybe want to but the buck stops there. It's not the RFL at fault or anyone else.

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If the product isn't good enough your not going to buy it

You don't think Rugby League is good?

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No, they can't, that is true. And not every fan has RL as the top priority. Equally we should not exclude the 100,000 or more people who watch SL games on Sky. For me this is the big one:I hate the RFL but they were ok in the past.

Why do you think people think that about the RFL now but didn't in the past?

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if the rfl want unconditional love, i suggest they buy a dog.

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Yeah yeah mate.....its always excuses. Actions speak louder than words and the silence is usually deafening from RL 'fans'. On the other hand, the amount of hot air generated is probably responsible for global warming.

Look over there, trees, wood................never mind you wouldn't be able to see them.

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Look over there, trees, wood................never mind you wouldn't be able to see them.

I would do mate but I couldn't be bothered. Why don't the RFL look for me? Typical shambles as usual, I'm never looking at any RFL related trees again.

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If only RL fans could get as passionate about the actual on field game as they do when someone points out how apathetic they can be, we'd be a hell of a lot better off.

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You don't think Rugby League is good?

I probably take in far more games (all standards) in a 12 month period than you do, I've lost a couple of very pretty girlfriends and a wife because of Rugby League. Do I have to say anymore.

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yeah but if we had GB and P&R and if we still played in winter and shunned sky money.....everything would be rosie.......

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I probably take in far more games (all standards) in a 12 month period than you do, I've lost a couple of very pretty girlfriends and a wife because of Rugby League. Do I have to say anymore.

It's not a competition mate, I aren't the #1 RL fan in the world by any means. But I do like it and wouldn't question it's value as an entertaining 'product', which is what you seemed to be doing.

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If only RL fans could get as passionate about the actual on field game as they do when someone points out how apathetic they can be, we'd be a hell of a lot better off.

I go to as many Keighley as i can.

I also go to the grand final and as many England games as i can.

I am still able of having a point of view. Sorry its not the same as yours.

Maybe i will stop going to games. Then i may just fit into your view, of a fan who doesn't think the game is wonderful.

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I go to as many Keighley as i can.

I also go to the grand final and as many England games as i can.

I am still able of having a point of view. Sorry its not the same as yours.

Maybe i will stop going to games. Then i may just fit into your view, of a fan who doesn't think the game is wonderful.

Eh? Where have I said the game is wonderful? Where have I claimed to be Mr RL who goes to more games than anyone else?

The fact is RL fans have a long history of not backing the big events, not always but usually. I wish this wasn't the case but it is.

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The fact is RL fans have a long history of not backing the big events, not always but usually. I wish this wasn't the case but it is.

Including yourself presumably?

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It's not a competition mate, I aren't the #1 RL fan in the world by any means. But I do like it and wouldn't question it's value as an entertaining 'product', which is what you seemed to be doing.

The product at it's best is the best but the game at the top IMO has become far too stereotyped on to many occasions, I remember an interview with Chris Anderson when he was the coach for Austrailia (2001) the guy interviewing him was creaming himself about how Austrailia had played and asked why we couldn't catch up, Anderson reply was something like this, " We only played a British style game from the 80's" This got me thinking is all this battery farmed coaching good for our game.

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