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When are the fans going to take responsibility?

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We always see the RFL, super league and clubs get the blame, when are the fans going to take a share of blame?

You know the ones who say they want the club run responsibly but who boo the team off when they lose, demanding better players. The ones who say they want a team full of home town players playing for pride in the badge, who then boo them off when they lose. The ones who say we shouldn't sign mercenary players but who demand their signing half way through a bad season. The ones who wont go to England Vs Aus because we will lose but wont go to England Vs. France because we will win.

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Tomorrow.

Don't you mean Yesterday? Everything was 5hit hot then. Every game was a sell out broadcast live on BBC1. And we beat the Aussies with players like Schofield & Hanley, who were more famous than The Beatles.

ASK ANYONE :)

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players like Schofield & Hanley, who were more famous than The Beatles.

Pah! Now, Gowers, Buckley and Stopford they WERE players in a Swinton team packed with er...three Internationals. And they really were more famous than the Beatles who had only just been knitted from scraps of wool at than time....

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We always see the RFL, super league and clubs get the blame, when are the fans going to take a share of blame?

7,000 of them walking away from Bradford didn't help the Bradford club, so that's an example of what your talking about?

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What an unusual thread.

I think it is bob-on. By and large the 'supporters' of the game do nothing but denigrate the efforts of all those involved in organising the game as a whole. For example; how many people thought the Stobart deal was innovative and unique and trumpeted the deal, as opposed to those who stuck to the mantra 'where is the money'?

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We always see the RFL, super league and clubs get the blame, when are the fans going to take a share of blame?

We won't, the game throws up to many other scape goats so we'll never get around to shouldering our proportion of blame for any of the games failings!

We're a cheap sport to follow, traveling distances on the whole are short, to both regular season away matches and show case events, yet it always seems like hard work mobilising the faithful to turn out for anything that requires dipping the hand in there pockets above and beyond the club season ticket.

Can't help but think sports with clubs in similar parts of the country, presumably with similar demographics for whatever reason seem to be able to generate more "support" from there fan-base.

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For all these problems in the game.

Of course the fans are to blame. I mean they make all the stupid decisions don't they :rolleyes:

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Bradford and Salford going bust as nothing to do with the fans it's not their fault their BOD spent silly money on x amount of players. That's down to bad management. No relegation as nothing to do with the fans. Doing away with the under 23s as nothing to do with the fans. There is a lot more too. This thread should of been started by someone at the RFL because its too daft to laugh at.

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Bradford and Salford going bust as nothing to do with the fans it's not their fault their BOD spent silly money on x amount of players. That's down to bad management. No relegation as nothing to do with the fans. Doing away with the under 23s as nothing to do with the fans. There is a lot more too. This thread should of been started by someone at the RFL because its too daft to laugh at.

I agree to an extent, but then you could argue that if fans put their money where their mouth is at things like Internationals, Magic Weekend, Semi Finals, Finals etc. then the game would have more funds available to be able to not necessarily have to make too many decisions driven by cost-cutting.

The RFU get a hell of a lot of money from their internationals, when they get full houses for games against the likes of Fiji. They will have had millions of pounds worth of income for that game, whereas the RFL staging that game (which would have been a better standard IMHO) would have probably seen the RFL lose a fortune.

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Of course the fans are to blame. I mean they make all the stupid decisions don't they :rolleyes:

The 'fan's make lots of stupid decisions.

Like not attending games because its too expensive/too cheap/we'll definitely win/we'll definitely lose/its the cats birthday/I have the right not to attend/I hate the RFL but they were ok in the past.

Yada yada....

Then come on the internet to blame everyone else for their own apathy.

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Bradford and salford going bust as nothing to do with the fans it's not their fault their BOD spent silly money on x amount of players.

7,000 fans decided to stop going when Bradford stopped wining what should the club have done spent even less on players so the rest could dissappear.

10,000 Salford fans waved goodbye to the old ground 7,000 of them probably never went near the new ground.

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The OP is right. I once booed our international side (in my living room watching telly) when we were taking another towelling off the aussies. So the RFL scrapped GB. It's my fault.

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When will those who moan about other people moaning stop moaning about them on here? ;)

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7,000 fans decided to stop going when Bradford stopped wining what should the club have done spent even less on players so the rest could dissappear.

10,000 Salford fans waved goodbye to the old ground 7,000 of them probably never went near the new ground.

Where have you got the 7k figure from? At peak of bullmania we were averaging 14.5k. Our lowest average was 2010 when we dipped below 9k, but we're now back up in 11-12k area. Can think of only one game where we dropped down to around 6.5k at height of the poor run under McNamara that would fit your 7k claim but that was a single game 3 yrs ago.

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The 'fan's make lots of stupid decisions.

Like not attending games because its too expensive/too cheap/we'll definitely win/we'll definitely lose/its the cats birthday/I have the right not to attend/I hate the RFL but they were ok in the past.

Yada yada....

Then come on the internet to blame everyone else for their own apathy.

Fans have a choice. No one should feel compiled to go to a game.

If the product is good enough people will go. Making sure its good enough is down to the decision makers.

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Fans have a choice. No one should feel compiled to go to a game.

If the product is good enough people will go. Making sure its good enough is down to the decision makers.

Yeah yeah mate.....its always excuses. Actions speak louder than words and the silence is usually deafening from RL 'fans'. On the other hand, the amount of hot air generated is probably responsible for global warming.

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Where have you got the 7k figure from? At peak of bullmania we were averaging 14.5k. Our lowest average was 2010 when we dipped below 9k, but we're now back up in 11-12k area. Can think of only one game where we dropped down to around 6.5k at height of the poor run under McNamara that would fit your 7k claim but that was a single game 3 yrs ago.

IIRC Bulls got up to an average attendance of 15,500 which at one time dropped to 8,500

7,000 drop but even if it's 6,000 or 5,000 the points the same.

The fans had the power to make or break the club.

But it's correct that nobody has to go to a game.

The problem for Superleague is it creates the same old winners and losers to a point thus polarising attendances.

For Bradford the drop in fans was extraordinary, a more comfortable stadium may have kept more of them.

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Fans have a choice. No one should feel compiled to go to a game.

If the product is good enough people will go. Making sure its good enough is down to the decision makers.

Again, I partly agree with this point, but other sports' fans behave differently to ours - why is that?

We'd rather sneer at the Twickers Land Rover brigade on the car park, whilst they get millions of pounds worth of income, and actually get sponsorship deals from companies like Land Rover.

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When will those who moan about other people moaning stop moaning about them on here? ;)

Never. Moaning about moaning is perhaps even more tedious than the moaning itself.

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IIRC Bulls got up to an average attendance of 15,500 which at one time dropped to 8,500

7,000 drop but even if it's 6,000 or 5,000 the points the same.

The fans had the power to make or break the club.

But it's correct that nobody has to go to a game.

The problem for Superleague is it creates the same old winners and losers to a point thus polarising attendances.

For Bradford the drop in fans was extraordinary, a more comfortable stadium may have kept more of them.

Nice selective use of figures. We never had a 15.5k average. We did drop to 8.5k in 2010 but have since recovered backup to 11-12k levels. Fans stayed away in 2010 in protest at the absolute garbage being out on the field by McNamara. They didn't walk away from the game as they returned the following year. Our current average is only 2-3k lower than our highest average. Certainly not the 7k your stating.

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