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It's rather alarming that the number of participants has declined from 82,000 to 44,000. Any particular reason for this? Is this the transitional period from winter to summer?

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It's rather alarming that the number of participants has declined from 82,000 to 44,000. Any particular reason for this? Is this the transitional period from winter to summer?

Discussed at immense length a while back - a lot of sports have seen a major decline in official number, due to a change in what constitutes 'regular' participation. Actual numbers will not have changed by that amount, and may have, in fact, increased.

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The total pot available to all sports is being cut over the next few years, with very few sports seeing an increase.

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Would love to see a breakdown of where the lost 38,000 have gone.

Would have thought with the rise of womens, masters and touch rugby participation figures would be looking good - obviously not!

Edit - sorry had missed Futtocks post #3

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I think only three sports have had an increase - Cycling, Triathlon and one other.

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Is this an old story as I seem to recall this already having been announced, or was that something different?

The numbers must be due to changes in how they are made up, as quite simply if the numbers have almost halved in 3-4 years then surely they would have just given no money at all!

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I think only three sports have had an increase - Cycling, Triathlon and one other.

Not seen the full list yet, but handball is up significantly to £1.15m. :D

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Is this an old story as I seem to recall this already having been announced, or was that something different?

The numbers must be due to changes in how they are made up, as quite simply if the numbers have almost halved in 3-4 years then surely they would have just given no money at all!

I beleive it is an old story that has been updated since SE made a press release to with allocating 500k to sport participation in general. This is a relatively new initiative to get more people involved in playing sport regularly, this would seem to be part of that. The 88k was probably incorrect I seem to recall the RFL giving SE revised figures which are used as part of the data in the EPS that get published.

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Still, RL will be receiving £17.5 million of funding over 4 years.

That's pretty impressive whichever way you look at it.

Considering the size of RL compared to RU and Football, we are doing pretty will and fighting well above our weight - Union is getting £20 million, Football is getting £30 million.

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Still, RL will be receiving £17.5 million of funding over 4 years.

That's pretty impressive whichever way you look at it.

Considering the size of RL compared to RU and Football, we are doing pretty will and fighting well above our weight - Union is getting £20 million, Football is getting £30 million.

Indeed. But in these harsh times, we have to take our hit, like most sports.

The third able-bodied sport getting a boost is Netball, by the way, while all Paralympic Sports are getting more.

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....£493 million four-year investment..... At least 60% of the investment announced today will support young people aged between 14 and 25.....any governing body that fails to achieve its annual targets for increasing participation faces losing 20% of its remaining investment...Total investment of £17.5 million for the Rugby Football League to tackle the grassroots game. ...£4.5 million for talented player development......Sport England’s Director of Sport, Lisa O’Keefe, said: “Changing the competition season and focusing on club and league development are sensible ways to increase the number of people playing rugby league....

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Still, RL will be receiving £17.5 million of funding over 4 years.

That's pretty impressive whichever way you look at it.

Considering the size of RL compared to RU and Football, we are doing pretty will and fighting well above our weight - Union is getting £20 million, Football is getting £30 million.

True but RL clubs need the money more. RU clubs and football clubs usually have adequate facilities, RL clubs - especially outside the heartlands - often don't.

There are probably lots people who would like to play RL but have no possibility of doing so in their local area, a fairly unique situation.

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True but RL clubs need the money more. RU clubs and football clubs usually have adequate facilities, RL clubs - especially outside the heartlands - often don't.

There are probably lots people who would like to play RL but have no possibility of doing so in their local area, a fairly unique situation.

Given the areas in which many RL clubs are based, and the working class nature of many of the communities, its absolutely true that many RL clubs need the money more.

But that doesn't stop me being surprised that we appear to be actually getting what we undoubtedly deserve for once.

£17.5 million will pay for an awful lot of development work to continue. And hopefully consolidate the geographical expansion of league across the UK.

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From the BBC: "Sport England said officials from cricket, rugby union and rugby league were "comfortable" with their funding cuts. It said the reductions were largely due to the end of spending on "large capital projects" between 2009 and 2013.

Figures released earlier this month showed 15.5 million people aged 16 and over were playing sport at least once a week - 750,000 more than a year ago and 1.57 million more than when London won the Olympic and Paralympic bid in 2005.

However the figures also showed the number of 16- to 19-year-olds participating in sport three times a week had dropped from 930,400 to 825,900."

Three times a week is the new stipulation, I think. Which would explain the apparently massive drop in official participation in various sports, including RL.

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I read it as though 31 sports have received increases, not just 3.

It certainly says 31 have received their largest ever amount.

http://www.sportengland.org/about_us/our_news/almost_%C2%A305_billion_investment.aspx

Not necessarily bad news for RL, a more focussed and streamlined RFL may achieve better results.

I would be more worried about the % of revenues that the RFL received from Sport England annually. As far as I can work, out, the two main funding sources are SKY and Sport England. If so, that could be interpreted as putting a lot of eggs in one basket.

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As I understand it, Sport England is focused on helping people and communities across the country create a sporting habit for life.

Thus its not just a subsidy to the RFL but about investment in the grass roots community aspect of our game, plus some player development. Do I have that right?

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Is this an old story as I seem to recall this already having been announced, or was that something different?

new story.

the funding is based on submission of a 'whole sport plan' covering 3/4 year periods. the old story was a cut within the previous period...this is a well trailed new story as it was today that Sport England released the funding levels.

The next story will be what the RFL will cut or keep in response...expect the detail in early new year.

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As long as the community coaches don't' lose their jobs because without them in the schools in the North East rugby league would die very fast! they have done wonders in the last few years to get the junior leagues up from around 6 teams to a 10 team league for u 14's next season!

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As long as the community coaches don't' lose their jobs because without them in the schools in the North East rugby league would die very fast! they have done wonders in the last few years to get the junior leagues up from around 6 teams to a 10 team league for u 14's next season!

Could happen,heard a rumour that some clubs are looking at sourcing external funding for their community coaches.

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Given the areas in which many RL clubs are based, and the working class nature of many of the communities, its absolutely true that many RL clubs need the money more.

But that doesn't stop me being surprised that we appear to be actually getting what we undoubtedly deserve for once.

£17.5 million will pay for an awful lot of development work to continue. And hopefully consolidate the geographical expansion of league across the UK.

Not just that but expansion clubs tend to have no facilities of their own yet might be the only rugby league club within 30 miles. There is a cast iron case for saying that funds are needed more by them than a rugby union club in the same town with 100 hundred years of history.

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Good on Sport England in forcing Governing bodies to do even more at Grassroots level. The Grassroots in any sport is vital and personally I think its the most important area of sport and is often sadly neglected. Getting kids playing Sport is tough especially when so many would rather just sit and watch TV or play on the computer than do any sports. Rugby League, except for the odd area doesnt and never has had a strong grassroots level. The problems between Barla and the RFL havent helped neither has some of the infighting in certain leagues. The amateur game is struggling as is Youth Rugby League.

I am not one for figures as people view them and change them on how they see fit. And I dont believe that they can count every person correctly its just a guess work. Whether the numbers have dropped by such a large amount is dubious for me. I have been disappointed that the RFL has wasted money on the Pro game like Crusaders, Bradford, Keighley, Paris SG, London/Quins etc over the years when for me the money, time and effort should have gone in to the grassroots level. The Pro game has enough people and enough money coming in to it. Its up to clubs to sort themselves out not the RFL. Its not just players the game needs but match officials and again alot of this is where Grassroots level plays a massive part. Most of the Match Officials in the Pro game have come via the amateur ranks and the players and some coaches too. The continued improving of standards and further development of the game both in and outside the heartland levels at amateur and youth level needs to increase somehow. The excuse is Soccer or Union etc is bigger and kids dont want to play our game is rubbish. You get a person(s) going into schools and running touch and tag as well as tackle and the kids and new people whatevcer age love it and want to play more. I know because I have done it though more with Students rather than schoolkids and hope to keep doing it in future even though it costs me a bit. The game needs to somehow get more kids playing or learning about Rugby League. The RFL needs to help amateur clubs more in getting youngsters to their clubs. When you see a kid running to his parents telling them he loved the session is something money cant buy. Then he wants to go and see a game and drags along Dad and maybe others. Somehow the game needs to increase what it does even without the money previously had.

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Where does the £17.5m come from? The footnote mentions that the 5 year period sees £27.5m for RL.

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Where does the £17.5m come from? The footnote mentions that the 5 year period sees £27.5m for RL.

I think £27.5m figure includes the funding already received in previous years, and subsequently reduced due to missing the growth figures and because of a reduction in their own central funding.

I understand the £17.5m figure is about future funding.

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