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Terry Mullaney

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Nail biting yes.....

Crowds no......

How the heck can you say that since it didn't actually happen. Remember Castleford v Wakefield, winner stays up last day dramatics. Last season relegation would have been decided on points difference. How dramatic and gripping do you want it. You can quote all the research you want but you will nor convince me that Widnes last game would not have drawn a bigger crowd if they were fighting to the last to avoid relegation as opposed to a meaningless game to see who would finish last with nothing mattering whether they did or didn't.

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Before licensing came in when we had P & R attendances in SL rose steadily.

After licensing came in average crowds dropped because the SL went to 14 clubs.

But average crowds rose again and we average 9431 now

Your heart says one thing, but your head will appreciate the facts, even in these hard economic times SL remains very well supported, P & R isn't a crowd puller, Superleague is.

You make that sound like they are mutually exclusive and there can't be one without the other, which is not true. A relegation battle will contribute to the increase in SL attendances not diminish them.

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Loads. I haven't got all the results but Shuddersfield seem to be the worst offenders.

But .... Leigh, Sheffield and Halifax all made profits last year. Fev lost twice as much as all three of those put together - give or take a few quid. Do they have significantly more on the field success to show for it ? Debateable - but I'd say no.

People tend to see Featherstone as a club whose financial affairs are based on prudence. Companies House say different.

Yes, but all those teams have excellent grounds already. Featherstone did not and are spending money to upgrade their ground to SL standards. Once that expense is over and if they get into SL they might think the losses would be curtailed. Did Saints trade at a profit when they had to build their new ground and spend a season playing at Widnes. Sometimes you need speculation to ensure future accumulation.

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Rovers are covering the losses by borrowing more money. Those lenders will want it back eventually. How will Rovers pay them ? Borrow more money ?

Eventually, Rovers will run out of lenders and sell the land they own.

Is that a bad thing? If we sold all our land we would probably be the richest RL club around today.Also who says we are borrowing money? You seem to know more about my club than I do.

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Is that a bad thing? If we sold all our land we would probably be the richest RL club around today.Also who says we are borrowing money? You seem to know more about my club than I do.

hmmm. Not for me Gaz. That land represents a good deal of security. Once it's gone so the level of risk increases!

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hmmm. Not for me Gaz. That land represents a good deal of security. Once it's gone so the level of risk increases!

I agree robin but these investors are not investing in our club for nothing I'm sure their eyes are on our land.

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Yes, but all those teams have excellent grounds already. Featherstone did not and are spending money to upgrade their ground to SL standards. Once that expense is over and if they get into SL they might think the losses would be curtailed. Did Saints trade at a profit when they had to build their new ground and spend a season playing at Widnes. Sometimes you need speculation to ensure future accumulation.

only partly true Gaz. Fev were posting losses before the upgrades commenced.

However, when mark got involved the club was just out of admin after being on its ar se! Team investment to generate interest and make fev competitive.

Then came the ground work only more recently.

However, the club is well run. Losses are controlled and calculated. People get paid. The club keeps progressing...as in the OP's theme of this thread.

Fev don't have daft dez in charge!!

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only partly true Gaz. Fev were posting losses before the upgrades commenced.

However, when mark got involved the club was just out of admin after being on its ar se! Team investment to generate interest and make fev competitive.

Then came the ground work only more recently.

However, the club is well run. Losses are controlled and calculated. People get paid. The club keeps progressing...as in the OP's theme of this thread.

Fev don't have daft dez in charge!!

Have I moved robin? Or is keighleys name gaz too? Lol

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I don't pin the cas result last year as evidence of "competability" in SL.Raising your game v a team that is towing is one thing. Sustaining that week in week out is another and as you point out, after 3-4 50 point tuppings heads would go down.

Worth quoting a nicely put bit of reality there Robin.

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Worth quoting a nicely put bit of reality there Robin.

Yeah robin is right. But I'm sure no one at fev thinks we will go up and win x y and z. All we have to do is go up and stay up and build on one higher placing each season. I personally do think though that if we get the chance we will stay up. I'm not saying we would finish in the top 8 or owt like that we only have to finish one place off the bottom and I think that is very achievable for us. (That's if P&R returns) If P&R doesn't return I would be very confident of us not finishing bottom at the end of a 3 year stint.

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Yeah robin is right. But I'm sure no one at fev thinks we will go up and win x y and z. All we have to do is go up and stay up and build on one higher placing each season. I personally do think though that if we get the chance we will stay up. I'm not saying we would finish in the top 8 or owt like that we only have to finish one place off the bottom and I think that is very achievable for us. (That's if P&R returns) If P&R doesn't return I would be very confident of us not finishing bottom at the end of a 3 year stint.

What you want most of all is Mr. Nahaboo to stick to the reported promises he made to fund full wage cap.

Maybe you also want Newmarket to fall through B)

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What you want most of all is Mr. Nahaboo to stick to the reported promises he made to fund full wage cap.

Maybe you also want Newmarket to fall through B)

Maybe for some fev fans. But me personally I don't want another club in our area to fail like Salford and Bradford have so we can get to where we want to get that's not sport. I want to get where we want to get by winning everything in sight and doing everything right off the field.

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What you want most of all is Mr. Nahaboo to stick to the reported promises he made to fund full wage cap.

Maybe you also want Newmarket to fall through B)

If all three are in SL, each will have two home derby games which should significantly boost gate receipts just because they are traditional neighbouring rivalries so having all three in SL should be a bonus.

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If all three are in SL, each will have two home derby games which should significantly boost gate receipts just because they are traditional neighbouring rivalries so having all three in SL should be a bonus.

It's a point of view, it's inward looking though. Why not 3 clubs in Leeds as well, plus two in Hull, and Batley, Dewsbury, Halifax &, Huddersfield.

That's a 12 club Superleague full of derbies.

I deeply apologise for the bilious nature of my post and the fact keighley didn't quite make the cut.

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It's a point of view, it's inward looking though. Why not 3 clubs in Leeds as well, plus two in Hull, and Batley, Dewsbury, Halifax &, Huddersfield.

That's a 12 club Superleague full of derbies.

I deeply apologise for the bilious nature of my post and the fact keighley didn't quite make the cut.

His theory doesn't work if those three clubs displace Leeds, Hull and Wigan.

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It's a point of view, it's inward looking though.

Maybe there's a case for the sport as a whole to become inward looking and make it as strong as it can possibly be where it's appreciated the most? Would it then be perceived to be playing to its strengths do you think?

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Maybe there's a case for the sport as a whole to become inward looking and make it as strong as it can possibly be where it's appreciated the most? Would it then be perceived to be playing to its strengths do you think?

IMHO The sport is appreciated the most in the Wakefield AREA. South Bradford/Hudds/Fax, Leeds, Hull, Warrington/Widnes/north Cheshire area, Wigan/greater manchester, Cumbria and St.Helens/merseyside...........

How can we play to our strengths when our strengths lie in only eight areas?

As people rightly say when it boils down to it we only have eight areas capable of producing real super clubs, and including Cumbria is really pushing it. So maybe seven super clubs.

Not enough for a league but once you start putting two clubs into the same area they fight each other for the same fans and players.

But we've been through this a thousand times and Maurice Lyndsay was apparently an idiot, and the more pro clubs you have to the square mile the more things are "symbiotic".

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On this point

These are all pre 2002 when the law regarding administration changed.

Dec 20th 1990

Leigh £900,000 in debt, considering selling ground to relieve chronic financial problems.

January 1991

Leigh enter administration

March 4th 1992

Trafford Borough have an attendance of 150 for their match v Highfield.

April 3rd 1992

Trafford Borough face extinction as they are due in the High Court to answer a winding up petition.

14th Sepember 1993

Oldham escape winding up order by 24 hours. They agree to pay monies from TV games to players who's contracts they didn't honour.

October 1993

Huddersfield enter administration

19 February 1994

Oldham came close to going out of business because of a petition brought against them by an Oldham Athletic Director.

July 1994

Leigh enter administration.

22 July 1994

Doncaster face winding up order

16 Dec 1994

Doncaster, who have debts of around £1.4 million, who have already fought off winding-up orders brought by the Inland Revenue and Customs and Excise this season, are pinning hopes on an administration order, a breathing-space device which would enable them to fulfil their fixtures while seeking new owners.

March 1995

Doncaster in administration.

Very interesting.

Love the way you bring the 150 attendance into it. What the hell as that got to do with anything???

Really digging here aren't you padge. These records don't even match up to Wakefield, Bradford and Crusaders, this is 3 major financial issues in less than 3 years but I suppose you have evidence to show me that the game is in a wonderful state.

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IMHO The sport is appreciated the most in the Wakefield AREA. South Bradford/Hudds/Fax, Leeds, Hull, Warrington/Widnes/north Cheshire area, Wigan/greater manchester, Cumbria and St.Helens/merseyside...........

How can we play to our strengths when our strengths lie in only eight areas?

As people rightly say when it boils down to it we only have eight areas capable of producing real super clubs, and including Cumbria is really pushing it. So maybe seven super clubs.

Not enough for a league but once you start putting two clubs into the same area they fight each other for the same fans and players.

But we've been through this a thousand times and Maurice Lyndsay was apparently an idiot, and the more pro clubs you have to the square mile the more things are "symbiotic".

But how can one SL club possibly give the very best attention to the considerable number of talented youngsters which are prolifically produced from each of these areas? For example, In order to maximise the potential of the prolific WMDC conveyor belt we surely need all three clubs to have the wherewithal to give the kids the very best coaching possible throughout their development years.

Australia is better than us because of the far superior quantity and subsequent quality it produces. If we go to 12 SL clubs, one of whom is French, the problem worsens still further.

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What you want most of all is Mr. Nahaboo to stick to the reported promises he made to fund full wage cap.

Maybe you also want Newmarket to fall through B)

To be honest Parky owd cocker, nearly all Fev fans I know and have spoken to on this subject are ambivalent to developments ate Cas or wakey. We've been hearing in local press for decades of such developments! If it happens, it happens. It really doesn't concern me (which is again symptomatic of the way our game is being driven). Almost all of us at Fev are just happy to see our club developing and as Mark Las Palmas posted ages ago....aspiring to be the best we can be!

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Tho we won't need Faishal. I'm going to win a 160m euromillions and Fev will play at the 'biggingerbloke.com' stadium and run away to Sl GF success!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Yes he is and always will be an idiot. I sometimes wonder if you are Lyndsay in disguise.

I had you on ignore for over a year then tried one of your posts when someone had a go at you. Your reply was surprisingly polite so I though I'd take you off ignore. Now you decide to revert to type and ironically play the true idiot yourself.

His analysis of the game was spot on, his solutions in theory were correct in practice unworkable, the alternative solution is working very slowly, but no point discussing it with you, you aren't capable of discussion keyboard warrior. Go back on ignore.

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To be honest Parky owd cocker, nearly all Fev fans I know and have spoken to on this subject are ambivalent to developments ate Cas or wakey. We've been hearing in local press for decades of such developments! If it happens, it happens. It really doesn't concern me

I'm sorry Robin, I cannot see three clubs thriving all on top of each other, I can see only one club coming trough to dominate. If your a Fev fan it serves no purpose insulting me for my opinion (which you don't do)

What I can see, is the position you state above where whilst Cas cry out for some money from somewhere, and Glover puts a tin roof over his crumbling terrace whilst Newmarket stands undeveloped, Featherstone develop the ground, set up the academy and find the finances (they are already land rich) to compete in Superleague.

And so it can come to pass that in a 12 club Superleague, Featherstone could end up being top dog in the infamously named "Calder" region. Ive suggested this could happen for years and if any name can rally people to one club it's "little Featherstone". You would need financial support of the Davey type for a long time however - a couple of generations at least.

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