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Terry Mullaney

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Jesus wept.

Is "because the club is trying to be as good as it can be" not a sufficient answer?

No, not by long way. If even the most passionate of supporters can't sensibly explain themselves,and articulate the benefits, how can they expect to convince potential supporters, advertisers, and the media.

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No, not by long way. If even the most passionate of supporters can't sensibly explain themselves,and articulate the benefits, how can they expect to convince potential supporters, advertisers, and the media.

OK, not by any means the official club line but heres my take on it, based on what the club have said publically.

The people running the club, those making the strategic decisions and responsible for making sure the cheques don't bounce, think SL is a realistic & achievable goal. They have taken heed of the feedback given on the application for the 2009-2011 licences which included, amongst other things, a need to upgrade the stadium. I suspect they feel the, 'let us in & we'll build it, honest guv' line is unlikely to find much sympathy given the outcome of previous similar promises.

In short its being done because to not do so would seriously undermine a SL application.

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Bravo Covo!

Absolutely Mark. I spoke to Covo personally at the shirt launch and suggested to him that the new look ground would be his and his many hard working colleagues' legacy. Nothing but admiration for all who have worked on this marvelous project.

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No, not by long way. If even the most passionate of supporters can't sensibly explain themselves,and articulate the benefits, how can they expect to convince potential supporters, advertisers, and the media.

A bit of joined up thinking might have got you there without the need to try to belittle people.

Sponsors, new supporters, advertisers and the media are now very much attracted to Featherstone Rovers because of the points I made to you, each of them attributes which tick boxes as required by the RFL before entry to SL can be considered. Attributes which, at the same time, benefit a wide cross section of the public from school kids to pensioners.The ground development is a key aspect to the club's future aspirations, obvious to most without explanation I would have thought, given the RFL's considerable emphasis on spectator facilities throughout the five year period of licensing. The club is a now pretty dynamic entity and, as I said, Rovers are already operating like a SL club apart from full time status. If the custodians of the club think the time is right then the next logical step is to attempt to move up a level. How difficult is that to understand or maybe you are being deliberately obtuse?

There are those, of course, who have the view that Featherstone Rovers are not and never will be worthy of SL no matter what they do and consequently can't quite grasp why such a club should be busting a gut to improve itself. I'm quite confident however that the RFL do not share such a view.

So then, what's your take on Featherstone Rovers as a potential member of SL?

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Good post Terry. Points well put

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There are those, of course, who have the view that Featherstone Rovers are not and never will be worthy of SL no matter what they do and consequently can't quite grasp why such a club should be busting a gut to improve itself. I'm quite confident however that the RFL do not share such a view.

So then, what's your take on Featherstone Rovers as a potential member of SL?

The criteria needs to change Terry if Fev are even going to be considered for Super League, i think the RFL are back tracking on the licence system and Fev may well be one of the beneficiaries of this rethink, all you can do is keep winning and sooner or later someone will have to take notice

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I think the only criteria that Fev are not upto Gary is the attendances, I'm hoping with the improved facilities that this will improve and will tick the last remaining box!!!

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John M you have exelled yourself this time. Love the way you have asked for a bite and when you got one you ask why Terry was defensive. I have got to hand it to you though, even I have bitten. Just because it's Christmas my points below for your entertainment, Enjoy!

I'll reply shortly and you'll see what I am trying to get at. You too are also being defensive, chippy almost, - not everyone is against you and there is no need to automatically respond as if they are. I'm not saying any of these thing are bad, or wrong. I am trying to help you put things an a way that will convince people to get on board.

The word "why" really means "For what reason or purpose." it seems as though you have interpreted it as a challenge to you , your club etc. where as I just really want you and anyone else who thinks that "because the club is trying to be as good as it can be" is a winning reason on its own.

Of course,I know the answers. However, I've had to drag them out of you. Unless you can respond properly and positively, the perception that you are "flatcappers.. stubborn sods" there will be nothing to go away from. We ARE making progress, though. :)

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But most flat cappers I know are stubborn sods!!! Lmao

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I'll reply shortly and you'll see what I am trying to get at. You too are also being defensive, chippy almost, - not everyone is against you and there is no need to automatically respond as if they are. I'm not saying any of these thing are bad, or wrong. I am trying to help you put things an a way that will convince people to get on board.

The word "why" really means "For what reason or purpose." it seems as though you have interpreted it as a challenge to you , your club etc. where as I just really want you and anyone else who thinks that "because the club is trying to be as good as it can be" is a winning reason on its own.

Of course,I know the answers. However, I've had to drag them out of you. Unless you can respond properly and positively, the perception that you are "flatcappers.. stubborn sods" there will be nothing to go away from. We ARE making progress, though. :)

Im sorry, you'll have to work harder at explaining yourself as that just looks like patronising twaddle.

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I think the only criteria that Fev are not upto Gary is the attendances, I'm hoping with the improved facilities that this will improve and will tick the last remaining box!!!

Genuine question Daz, Mark, Robin Terry and all the other Fev fans, is it possible for you guys to increase your crowds to something like a 6-7,000 average without impacting on either Cas or Wakey (not that you'll be bothered ;) ) im not saying that 6-7,0000 is what you would need to compete in Super League, just wondering if its possible

Onward and upwards though.

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You started with this:

We have sponsors, run a full development pathway, have award winning community programmes blah blah blah..so what? everyone says that.

And now you have this:

The club has attracted two global sponsors in the past couple of weeks, which means more money to help develop the club.

- you need a quote from each of these sponsors “we are sponsoring the club rather than another club because.....”

Will be running a full development pathway as we believe this important to a successful franchise application.

- what is this pathway? Are you only doing it because you want to go in SL? Are there no benefits,, such as player development to reduce the need to look to imported players? Will it help avoid widespread squad changes when you reach SuperLeague? building fitness and health in people, encouraging participation etc.etc

Our award winning community programmes generates positive interest in the club. As an example, my wife no longer looks at the Rovers as a place where I am spending time away from the family on a Sunday. My daughter has no interest in RL but she is a cheerleader for the club and loves it. She loves meeting the players when they visit her local school. Both my kids love the holiday camps and as a family we love spending time enjoying things the club sets up.

- You are staring to get the idea. you need to specify the awards and why they were awarded. Need a bit more “why”, “which means that” here about the ladies team and the wheelchair team.

It means that 38% of people are coming through the turnstiles to watch Featherstone Rovers.

- Do you mean that al the above has so far increased paying spectators by 38%

Rather than driving 15 mile to watch say, Leeds Rhin or Cas or Wakefield, new supporters have an allegiance to Featherstone Rovers because....

Almost there. Now, why do you want to be in SuperLeague? What can you bring to SuperLeague. Make sure that you are not seen as doing this at the expense of other clubs but by bringing lapsed fans and new fans into the game.

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Im sorry, you'll have to work harder at explaining yourself as that just looks like patronising twaddle.

True, I might. So pay attention, concentrate, and take your time.

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Genuine question Daz, Mark, Robin Terry and all the other Fev fans, is it possible for you guys to increase your crowds to something like a 6-7,000 average without impacting on either Cas or Wakey (not that you'll be bothered ;) ) im not saying that 6-7,0000 is what you would need to compete in Super League, just wondering if its possible

Onward and upwards though.

Who knows? Historically there was a period of time 1960 to 1977 when all three clubs were very successful and fed off each other's success in terms of crowds for big games, especially derbies. There are obviously a large majority people whose allegiance lies strictly with one of the three clubs. Rovers have never really been big crowd pullers on a regular basis. The 1988 to 1995 period with crowds between 4 and 5K were reasonable for the period, comparable to Salford, Wakefield, etc and slightly less than Widnes, Bradford, Warrington, etc.

To find out what kind of crowds we're capable of under the current management and their marketing plans, the answer would be 'give us a go in super league'.

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I think they must be the long term aim Gary if we were to make it into superleague but as you say they may not be the attendances needed to be successful, obviously it would be a big help tho!!

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Rovers have never really been big crowd pullers on a regular basis. The 1988 to 1995 period with crowds between 4 and 5K were reasonable for the period, comparable to Salford, Wakefield, etc and slightly less than Widnes, Bradford, Warrington, etc.

To find out what kind of crowds we're capable of under the current management and their marketing plans, the answer would be 'give us a go in super league'.

4250 in that period but who gives a monkeys. They are the one club who has seriously looked to apply and meet the requirements who have not had a chance. There's enough failing clubs in SL for one to move aside and give them that chance, the RFL have a rule (a bad one with silly criteria) to try to give them a chance,so to me it doesn't matter whether anyone believes it will all go from strength to strength or whether they cynically believe it will be a disaster. Play fair for once and give them their turn.

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Everyone has different opinions which is good

I don't believe we should be compared with current S/L clubs We are not in that league we work to different rules and the cash flow is different

What i would say is that as a club we are working within the guidelines of the RFL we are improving the facilities for spectators the BOD are trying there hardest to make sure everything will be right come 2014 when the applications are made and off the field things just seem to improve day by day When we do apply (if the rules haven't changed ) All I ask for is to be given the same chance as everyone else and if we are looking a better prospect given the money that a S/L club would get the let us have it and if we're not we will have to get even better As it is now I would say I am a happier supporter than some who support certain S/L clubs and when we do get there I want it to be because it was right to get there. For now keep up the excellent work Fev and we will do it

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All I ask for is to be given the same chance as everyone else and if we are looking a better prospect given the money that a S/L club would get the let us have it ......

No please no not this........

Just put Rovers in full stop.

What a complete nightmare it will be on here if Rovers have their application turned down and London Broncos remain in.

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Because they want to play at the highest level as they did in the past and not just settle for managed decline like Swinton, Oldham, Hunslet, Barrow and York appear to have done. They want to recapture the glory days when "unfancied" Featherstone beat the best the league could offer. The buzz when we beat Cas and took Wigan all the way last season had to be felt to be believed. Come on Fev!

How the Heck do you include Barrow in that list ??

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Jesus wept.

Is "because the club is trying to be as good as it can be" not a sufficient answer?

Well Said.

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How the Heck do you include Barrow in that list ??

Well done FEV...................Shining example to all clubs below SL, Keep on doing the best you can and lets see what the future holds for you guys, hard work & determination usually pays dividends eventually.

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No, not by long way. If even the most passionate of supporters can't sensibly explain themselves,and articulate the benefits, how can they expect to convince potential supporters, advertisers, and the media.

obviously they have convinced these people as attendances are up, new investors have been joining the club as well as international companies coming in as sponsors.

The club are releasing news about improvements, sponsors etc and destination super league all the time via facebook, their website and the local newspaper.

The question shouldn't be why is the club doing all this it should be why arent other clubs.

I think you're just being pedantic and trying to get bites.

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Who knows? Historically there was a period of time 1960 to 1977 when all three clubs were very successful and fed off each other's success in terms of crowds for big games, especially derbies. There are obviously a large majority people whose allegiance lies strictly with one of the three clubs. Rovers have never really been big crowd pullers on a regular basis. The 1988 to 1995 period with crowds between 4 and 5K were reasonable for the period, comparable to Salford, Wakefield, etc and slightly less than Widnes, Bradford, Warrington, etc.

To find out what kind of crowds we're capable of under the current management and their marketing plans, the answer would be 'give us a go in super league'.

All 3 clubs may have had some success, however it was rare for all 3 to be up there at the same time. All 3 only made the top eight 3 times in that period.

league positions

year cas fev wakefield

60/61 17 9 7

61/62 12 3 2

62/63 4 11 12

63/64 6 4 7

64/65 3 15 4

65/66 5 15 4

66/67 8 20 3

67/68 8 18 2

68/69 4 7 8

69/70 2 8 21

70/71 12 20 5

71/72 10 7 9

72/73 7 2 5

73/74 9 8 7

74/75 8 4 10

75/76 9 2 7

76/77 3 1 11

Challenge Cup

61/62 62/63 Wakefield won it Fev losing semi finalist to Wakefield Semi drew 43,627

63/64 Cas lost in semi

64/65 Wakey lost in semi

66/67 Fev winners

67/68 Wakey losing finalist

68/69 Cas winners Wakefield lost to Cas in Semi att. 21,497

69/70 Cas winners

70/71 Cas lost in semi

72/73 Fev Winners Cas lost to Fev in semi att. 15,369

73/74 Fev losing finalist

74/75 Wakefield lost in semi

75/76 Fev lost in semi

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All 3 clubs may have had some success, however it was rare for all 3 to be up there at the same time. All 3 only made the top eight 3 times in that period.

league positions

year cas fev wakefield

60/61 17 9 7

61/62 12 3 2

62/63 4 11 12

63/64 6 4 7

64/65 3 15 4

65/66 5 15 4

66/67 8 20 3

67/68 8 18 2

68/69 4 7 8

69/70 2 8 21

70/71 12 20 5

71/72 10 7 9

72/73 7 2 5

73/74 9 8 7

74/75 8 4 10

75/76 9 2 7

76/77 3 1 11

Challenge Cup

61/62 62/63 Wakefield won it Fev losing semi finalist to Wakefield Semi drew 43,627

63/64 Cas lost in semi

64/65 Wakey lost in semi

66/67 Fev winners

67/68 Wakey losing finalist

68/69 Cas winners Wakefield lost to Cas in Semi att. 21,497

69/70 Cas winners

70/71 Cas lost in semi

72/73 Fev Winners Cas lost to Fev in semi att. 15,369

73/74 Fev losing finalist

74/75 Wakefield lost in semi

75/76 Fev lost in semi

Yes, your stats back up my point well. Ta.

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