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Terry Mullaney

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Keighley is in the Craven district.

Airedale's in Castleford isn't it? Kenny may confirm.....

Keighley is in Airedale at the confluence of the rivers AIRE and Worth. I think the Craven area is an historical name and is centred on Skipton. Castleford is on the river Aire, I think, but the genius that is St. Maurice Lyndsay lumped them in with Fev and Trinity and called it Calder.

There is a big pub just outside Keighley called the Airedale Heifer.My niece is a nurse at Airedale General Hospital which is the main hospital for Keighley and is in Steeton. The Dales are generally considered to start around Keighley and Skipton and are in the northern end of the county, ie. Airedale, Wharfdale, Wensleydale, Langstrothdale etc. Castleford is on the river Aire but not in the Dales area.In fact there are not any hills around there and the term Dales denotes geography with hills with valleys or dales in between them.

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Keighley is in Airedale at the confluence of the rivers AIRE and Worth. I think the Craven area is an historical name and is centred on Skipton. Castleford is on the river Aire, I think, but the genius that is St. Maurice Lyndsay lumped them in with Fev and Trinity and called it Calder.

There is a big pub just outside Keighley called the Airedale Heifer.My niece is a nurse at Airedale General Hospital which is the main hospital for Keighley and is in Steeton. The Dales are generally considered to start around Keighley and Skipton and are in the northern end of the county, ie. Airedale, Wharfdale, Wensleydale, Langstrothdale etc. Castleford is on the river Aire but not in the Dales area.In fact there are not any hills around there and the term Dales denotes geography with hills with valleys or dales in between them.

In the scheme of things does it really effin matter, Keighley is in the historic Airedale and so is Castleford. You lot need to get a grip on what is important and mythical ancient boundaries aren't, even if the hospital uses it.

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In the scheme of things does it really effin matter, Keighley is in the historic Airedale and so is Castleford. You lot need to get a grip on what is important and mythical ancient boundaries aren't, even if the hospital uses it.

Check out post 119 and then the continuing ###### on the subject from your alter ego Parksider. Then go and type a post taking them to task for taking the thread into what is not important.

I was answering their posts which took the thread off tangent and wrongly placed Castleford in Airedale. If you can t see the wood for the trees,keep out of the forest.

And Airedale in the Castleford context is the name of a housing estate. Castleford is not in Airedale but it is on the river Aire. There is a difference.

If ancient boundaries are of no importance then I hope no one gets upset when the Ancient and Loyal town of Wigan is described as a Mancunian team and not a Lancashire based entity.

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Check out post 119 and then the continuing ###### on the subject from your alter ego Parksider.

If ancient boundaries are of no importance then I hope no one gets upset when the Ancient and Loyal town of Wigan is described as a Mancunian team and not a Lancashire based entity.

Wigan was once in the ancient boundaries of the "Newton Hundred" I think. Corrections welcome.

I think there'd be less falling out on here if we had a 16 club Superleague, £1,000,000 cap and P & R?

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Castleford is in Airedale??? The folk in Fryston won't be best pleased about that!

I don t know if you are talking about the housing estate or the upper Aire valley region, the real Airedale but according to Wikipedia, Airedale and Fryston are one of the three wards comprising the Castleford town electoral area within the Wakefield Metro, other than that I know nothing about that Airedale.

If you are talking about the fact that Castleford is not in the geographical Airedale, well, I tried to point out that it wasn t and got the wrath of the terrible twins heaped upon my head, so be very careful, Mr Mullaney.

Congratulations to you and your club on their resurrection and transformation. Very inspiring and an example of what small teams can do with the right people in charge.

I remember a Mullaney playing for Fev in their series of Cup semis at Odsal in the 1960 s. Is he a relative?

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Seeing as how we are talking statistics and Fev. Someone mentioned that the three teams Cas, Fev and Trinity could not all be sustained in the area. I remembered a Cup weekend , I am sure it was in the 60's when all three were drawn at home and there were three huge crowds. I thought it might have been when Wigan came to Belle Vue and trinity beat them before a crowd of over 20,000 ( I think they used footage of the crowd in the movie This Sporting life) but I have checked as best I can and cannot find the details of the three ties.

Wakey played Wigan at Belle Vue in 1961 in the Challenge Cup Round II. There were in excess 28K in the ground and Wakey lost 2 -0

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Personally having done a lot of looking at attendances, demographics and recent history, I think that the chances of 'Calderdale' supporting 3 SL clubs to a sustainable level is nigh on impossible in this day and age. Its struggling to support 2.

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Calderdale is based in Halifax and includes Todmorden, Hebden Bridge, Mythomroyd, Sowerby Bridge, Elland and Brighouse. It currently sustains one semi pro RL side - Halfiax.

The River Calder rises in the Pennines near Todmorden, flows through Calderdale, Dewsbury, Ossett and Wakefield to its confluence with the River Aire about a mile west of Castleford at Whitwood Mere.

Perhaps a new side called Douglasdale could be mooted containing Wigan, Horwich, Appley Bridge, Tarleton, and Hesketh Bank.

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Castleford is in Airedale??? The folk in Fryston won't be best pleased about that!

Probably not, but I'm sur the post office have made bigger cock ups than mine. :D

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Calderdale is based in Halifax and includes Todmorden, Hebden Bridge, Mythomroyd, Sowerby Bridge, Elland and Brighouse. It currently sustains one semi pro RL side - Halfiax.

The River Calder rises in the Pennines near Todmorden, flows through Calderdale, Dewsbury, Ossett and Wakefield to its confluence with the River Aire about a mile west of Castleford at Whitwood Mere.

Perhaps a new side called Calderdale could be mooted containing Halifax, Dewsbury, Wakefield, Castleford and Featherstone.

This is I think a cracking idea.

Three CC clubs could be elevated to SL in this merger, Fev could get in Cas could be saved and Newmarket could be filled week on week.

In my travels I have been to all six clubs grounds and all are only ten minutes from the M62 so travel would not be a problem for the fans.

here's the 12 club Superleague for 2015

1. Wigan

2. Saints

3. Leeds

4. Warrington

5. Calderdale

6. Bradford

7, Huddersfield

8. London

9. Toulouse

10. Les Catalans

11. Hull

12. HKR

Brilliant, exciting and watch out you top four clubs, the 'dale are out to get you......

Only Lobby left to argue with too!!!!!

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Wakey played Wigan at Belle Vue in 1961 in the Challenge Cup Round II. There were in excess 28K in the ground and Wakey lost 2 -0

The vast majority of those 28k are now dead or moved out of Wakefield. These people will not suddenly reappear no matter how you organise P&R, build a new stadium or dole out cash.

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This is I think a cracking idea.

Three CC clubs could be elevated to SL in this merger, Fev could get in Cas could be saved and Newmarket could be filled week on week.

In my travels I have been to all six clubs grounds and all are only ten minutes from the M62 so travel would not be a problem for the fans.

here's the 12 club Superleague for 2015

1. Wigan

2. Saints

3. Leeds

4. Warrington

5. Calderdale

6. Bradford

7, Huddersfield

8. London

9. Toulouse

10. Les Catalans

11. Hull

12. HKR

Brilliant, exciting and watch out you top four clubs, the 'dale are out to get you......

Only Lobby left to argue with too!!!!!

It will never happen as Toulouse would need a big financial backer as they couldn't compete in the champ let alone SL and Calderdale no chance got more chance of QPR winning the premier league this season lol. But if it did happen Calderdale would win everything wouldn't they?

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Rovers are making fantastic headway at the moment, the ground development is moving forwards, the off the field infrastructure is being built, more sponsors are coming on board and the club is looking more and more professional. :)

This thread however is making very little headway at all. :rolleyes::lol:

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1. It will never happen as Toulouse would need a big financial backer as they couldn't compete in the champ let alone SL.

2. If it did happen Calderdale would win everything wouldn't they?

1. Toulouse and Featherstone are on a par in that both have big financial backers waiting in the wings.

Toulouse however have been visited by the the leaders of the top four Superleague clubs who liked the plans they saw.

2. No merged club would win anything until either the merger finally failed to capture anyones imagination, and it folded due to lack of support, or it clung on and successive generations of fans and sponsors took to it enough for it to make an impact.

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1. Toulouse and Featherstone are on a par in that both have big financial backers waiting in the wings.

Toulouse however have been visited by the the leaders of the top four Superleague clubs who liked the plans they saw.

2. No merged club would win anything until either the merger finally failed to capture anyones imagination, and it folded due to lack of support, or it clung on and successive generations of fans and sponsors took to it enough for it to make an impact.

Isn t it amazing how four self appointed power brokers suddenly make critical decisions about the future of RL in two countries. Talk about the tail wagging the dog.

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Isn t it amazing how four self appointed power brokers suddenly make critical decisions about the future of RL in two countries. Talk about the tail wagging the dog.

Tbf no decision has been made no matter how many times Parksider states things as though they are fact.

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Tbf no decision has been made no matter how many times Parksider states things as though they are fact.

"as though they are fact"???

All I have done is relay to everyone on here Lenegan, Mac, Hetherington and Moran (may have the latter wrong his CEO may have gone) went to Toulouse to see what was being arranged and they reported liking what they saw. We can all draw our personal conclusions about either the significance or insignificance of that , something you are free to do Dave as I am.

I pointed it out to Gaz because he thought that Toulouse's poor showing in the Championship was proof the club had no money and no prospect of any for Superleague, so my opinion was the visit was a different event that may be taken into consideration by Gaz before he states "as fact" Toulouse won't have the money for SL.

Far from me being the one who was assuming a "fact" it was Gaz doing it and me trying to help him consider the "fact" that the big four DID go over there and DID like what they saw.

So why have a go?

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Tbf no decision has been made no matter how many times Parksider states things as though they are fact.

Read the posts, it's Keighley indicating the four have decided not me??

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Rovers are making fantastic headway at the moment, the ground development is moving forwards, the off the field infrastructure is being built, more sponsors are coming on board and the club is looking more and more professional. :)how dare you???

Your unashamed cynical attempts to get this thread back on track is despicable. You should be banned. :lol:

This thread however is making very little headway at all. :rolleyes::lol:

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"as though they are fact"???

All I have done is relay to everyone on here Lenegan, Mac, Hetherington and Moran (may have the latter wrong his CEO may have gone) went to Toulouse to see what was being arranged and they reported liking what they saw. We can all draw our personal conclusions about either the significance or insignificance of that , something you are free to do Dave as I am.

I pointed it out to Gaz because he thought that Toulouse's poor showing in the Championship was proof the club had no money and no prospect of any for Superleague, so my opinion was the visit was a different event that may be taken into consideration by Gaz before he states "as fact" Toulouse won't have the money for SL.

Far from me being the one who was assuming a "fact" it was Gaz doing it and me trying to help him consider the "fact" that the big four DID go over there and DID like what they saw.

So why have a go?

not really having a go Parky, but you do have a knack of stating things as though they are fact which gets peoples backs up and can unfortunately take away from the point that you make (btw - i often agree with many of your points!). I cringe every time you state that Hull cannot support two SL teams over and over.

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Read the posts, it's Keighley indicating the four have decided not me??

yep thats fair comment. Where did this story about the four visiting Toulouse come from. You often quote it, giving it a huge amount of credibility and prominence in these discussions, so what exactly do you know about it?

Genuinely interested btw.

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1. Not really having a go Parky, but you do have a knack of stating things as though they are fact which gets peoples backs up

2. I cringe every time you state that Hull cannot support two SL teams over and over.

1. It WAS a fact the four big SL clubs visited Toulouse and made all the right noises.

2. It is NOT a fact Hull cannot support two SL teams per se and I have NEVER ever presented it as a fact.

All you need is two rich men like Pearson and Hudgell or Pearson and Larvin and hey presto you have two SL teams, however what I HAVE said is that two SL teams vying for the same local talent and seeking to sign each others star players off each other becomes IMHO counter productive, that counter productiveness can turn some fans off. This is all in reply to the argument Hull as a top RL place is a major player in SL, two teams are good for the game, and they are "symbiotic" in their relationship.

I merely disagree and back it up with Hull FC's reduced crowds, the poor record of the clubs against the big boys since HKR came along and current battles with Pearson raiding Rovers for their best players.

I cringe every time people fail to read what I am saying and assume something else like I must hate HKR, or that I am a troll etc etc.

My "over and over" repetetiveness is merely replying to others same repetetiveness, care to pull them up?

As for you being the peoples champion Dave if I get your back up, make you cringe and bore you with my repetetiveness then PM me and I'll try to sort it out, let the poor faultless rest speak for themselves.

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Where did this story about the four visiting Toulouse come from. You often quote it, giving it a huge amount of credibility and prominence in these discussions, so what exactly do you know about it?

Genuinely interested btw.

The top four clubs big guns went over to Toulouse this summer to look at their progress towards an SL bid for 2015. This was reported as a major article in League Express, not everyone gets the paper and so to assist people to know what's going on I quoted the article here so that people could read it for themselves.

It contained high praise for the Toulouse bid from the big four who appeared that they'd be most happy with Touloue's inclusion although the RFL were keen to interject and say that any Toulouse bid would probably be dependant on a TV contract. Wether that is right or not I don't know. Do you think the RFL/SLE would prefer another Catalans type club rather than Featherstone?

Anyway I always return to this openly reported event when issues crop up like "Who runs superleague" or issues like "Toulouse have no chance" or when thay are not even mentioned for 2015, so we can continue debate taking factual events into account.

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The top four clubs big guns went over to Toulouse this summer to look at their progress towards an SL bid for 2015. This was reported as a major article in League Express, not everyone gets the paper and so to assist people to know what's going on I quoted the article here so that people could read it for themselves.

It contained high praise for the Toulouse bid from the big four who appeared that they'd be most happy with Touloue's inclusion although the RFL were keen to interject and say that any Toulouse bid would probably be dependant on a TV contract. Wether that is right or not I don't know. Do you think the RFL/SLE would prefer another Catalans type club rather than Featherstone?

Anyway I always return to this openly reported event when issues crop up like "Who runs superleague" or issues like "Toulouse have no chance" or when thay are not even mentioned for 2015, so we can continue debate taking factual events into account.

I want us to get into SL of course but if it doesn't happen it doesn't happen. I just hope it's not because of something stupid. But what I will say is I would rather another champ club beat us into SL if they deserved it more etc than a 2 bit French, Spanish, Italian, Afghanistan club or wherever else the RFL decide to pick up another flimsy team from.

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