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Salford cancel Christmas friendly

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According to John WIlkinson the RFL are heading the negotiations with a potential investor.

But... but... DOUBLE STANDARDS! ... DISGRACE!!! ... IT STINKS!!!!!!

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yet more double standards from the rfl/superleague, they pulled out all the stops to help bradford, surely salford deserve the same kind of involvement from the games administrators........................but i wont hold my breath!!

Utter cobblers.Drop the dog in a manger attitude while you're at it.

Bradford raised 500k in a short space of time from fans, indicating a decent level of backing/affection. I genuinely hope the same sort of thing can happen for Salford but at present, the signs don't seem good in that respect.

Don't start stamping your feet and being offended on behalf of Salford or berating the RFL for your perceived injustice. You've no more idea what they may or may not be doing than anyone else. So put a sock in it!

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what are you blathering on about?

Exactly

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I appreciate the thought, VW, but there is so little information out there that nobody knows what is happening. It was the same with Bradford, if you remember, lots of assurances that a buyer was in negotiation, but no hard facts at all. Add in the fact that it is close-season and there are no games for fans to get together, and you can see why we are in the dark. As for the "fans raising money" idea, well in-season it might be possible, though I doubt it, out-of-season we just don't have the structures needed to get the word out and the dosh in.

I do hope there is a buyer in the wings, but I'm resigned to Salford going out of existence on Jan 7th. It'll be a sad day for me, but I'll get over it eventually.

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Do you think its *that* serious Tony?

I hope not, but who knows? I certainly think it could be that serious. What I expect to happen is that Salford will survive in some form or other.

I ask myself if I would buy the club (after winning tonight's lottery of course) and I don't know. In its present form, it is not a viable business, so only someone with a great deal of business acumen should even consider it. I hope such a person is out there, but I'm not confident.

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Do you think its *that* serious Tony?

I agree with Tony. I just wish they would get it over with, I am sick of it all.

We are stuck in a terrible "no-mans land" - we are insolvent, so can't sell seasons / membership and facing winding up, but still have two thirds of a super league team to pay. We are not strong enough to play a SL season, but can't go to Champ 1 in this format. Folded up and chucked in the bin awaits unless something happens soon.

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Your friend Mick just texted me this news. He is keeping well in case you're interested.

Mick is still alive then?

I'll let John M know so he can stop worrying. :rolleyes:

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That's great news. I' ve been beside myself with worry... and trust me, those who know me will tell you that it's not a pretty sight!!!

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That's great news. I' ve been beside myself with worry... and trust me, those who know me will tell you that it's not a pretty sight!!!

I'll confirm that. ;)

All the best John. See you next year, I hope. :)

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Sure will !I bet its a bit wet up your end at present, isn't it, from what I saw from tv.!!!!

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Sure will !I bet its a bit wet up your end at present, isn't it, from what I saw from tv.!!!!

It sure is! We're dry so far, though. Touch wood!

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In 'The Game that got away', Salford were depicted as one of the better off clubs with a casino and plans to add squash courts,

having the BBC re-locate was said to be a shot in the arm too, what has gone wrong? should they have stayed at the Willows?

If this club is allowed to go under as Wakefield, Bradford and Crusaders before them, isn't it time that fans had a say in the make up of the RFL? Their financial checks which form part of the granting of SL franchises need looking into at the very least.

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They had Squash courts. That ramshackle building next to the Doctors- no, not the Willows- used to be 3 squash courts owned by Salford RLFC, I know I played there for the School, but as with everything under the GREAT GOD Wilko, it was sold off, they used to have training facilities in Davyhulme, and owned the Willows Club, but it was all asset stripped over the last 30 years. They used to OWN the best facilities in the RFL, now they own a stadium that the Council wants nothing to do with.

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If this club is allowed to go under as Wakefield, Bradford and Crusaders before them, isn't it time that fans had a say in the make up of the RFL? Their financial checks which form part of the granting of SL franchises need looking into at the very least.

Why on earth do you say this after all the posts explaining the financial checks are there to find the 14 best clubs, and are NOT there to guarantee the 14 picks are all financially sound.

As all the posts passim explain if you want a financially sound Superleague then it's a matter of a six club Superleague playing each other five times.

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They had Squash courts. That ramshackle building next to the Doctors- no, not the Willows- used to be 3 squash courts owned by Salford RLFC, I know I played there for the School, but as with everything under the GREAT GOD Wilko, it was sold off, they used to have training facilities in Davyhulme, and owned the Willows Club, but it was all asset stripped over the last 30 years. They used to OWN the best facilities in the RFL, now they own a stadium that the Council wants nothing to do with.

Which stadium is that? They don't own The Willows (haven't owned it for donkey's years!) and they don't own Barton. As far as I know, Salford OWN absolutely nowt!

Like you said, asset stripped.

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Tony, maybe you can fill in the memory gaps for me. I can never remember Salford as ever being a strong club, What was it like in the Dave Watkins era? I was an avid and active Swinton fan from 1957 to round about 1968 when I moved well away from Swinton. Not that Swinton were in any way solid, well off and well run - poor crowds, dilapidated stadium etc but I recall Salford being even worse.

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Tony, maybe you can fill in the memory gaps for me. I can never remember Salford as ever being a strong club, What was it like in the Dave Watkins era? I was an avid and active Swinton fan from 1957 to round about 1968 when I moved well away from Swinton. Not that Swinton were in any way solid, well off and well run - poor crowds, dilapidated stadium etc but I recall Salford being even worse.

I don't think I can, John. I was a soccer fan as a kid and RL didn't register (well, not significantly) with me until Boxing Day 1976. I chose to support Salford (rather than Swinton, Oldham or Rochdale) about a year or so later when I decided that I ought to pin my colours to a particular mast. Prior to that I just loved the game in general. During the intervening 35 years, I have probably watched York more than anyone else, simply because I lived in York until 1977 and in Whitby from then on.

Okay, so what do I know? Salford have not enjoyed a period of success at all (ever, afaik). They had two brief periods when they were successful. The first was in the 30s, under Lance Todd, when they acquired the "Red Devils" moniker. The second was from about 1967 to about 1976, under Brian Snape, when they were known as "The Quality Street Gang". This was the era when Salford first registered on my radar. Snape signed the best players and paid the best wages in the game. Players like Mike Coulman, Chris Hesketh, David Watkins and Keith Fielding, along with many others whose names I would need to dig out from the deeper recesses of what passes for my memory, entertained large crowds (not sure of the actual size, but ca.10,000 at a guess) on Friday nights at The Willows. The Variety Centre meant that you could watch the rugby, get something to eat (I think!), drink and dance the night away or enjoy a show. I always thought that was a marketable concept, but it all fell into disrepair and, by the time I began watching, the whole edifice was looking shabby.

That's the best I can do, but if someone else knows better, I'd happily accept their word.

As for Station Road, I thought it was in a similar condition to The Willows by the late 70s. It definitely had more potential than The Willows (railway station, car park, a bit of 'elbow room' around it), but it obviously needed megabucks spending to bring it back up to standard. If only the two clubs had had the wisdom and humility to work together, sell one ground (The Willows, probably) and develop facilities at the other, with both teams playing out of the one stadium (they weren't that far away from each other), we could both be in a different place right now. Hindsight is great, isn't it?

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Salford had a buzz about it in the 70s, this is the time I first started watching.

The crowds were about 6,000 but it was the place to be with United players coming to watch.

Snape handed over the reigns to his brother and the decline started. The Variety centre was sold to Greenalls Wilky bought it back some time after.

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Is it not fair to say a significant part of the cost of building the super Salford team of the early to mid 70's was raised by the profits of the Willows club.

The unfortunate thing for Salford was that out of town cabaret clubs eventually had their day and the WIllows therefore no longer supported the club.

The money also went into the ground as Salford were one of the few clubs in RL with a stand (two actually) that looked like they had been built in the 70's.

I started going round all the clubs in the mid 70's and it was amazing tom how few stands looked like the had been built in the last 10 years.

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Thanks for the info. IIRC Swinton was owned by a succession of local businessmen (Batemans comes to mind) who OK running their own businesses but were not up to running a football club. It's a tough world out there at any time but having been to the new stadium, I had hoped it would have proved to be an attraction to fans. At the Eng v France game, the clubs shop seemed to be dominated by Sharks stuff, quite expensive stuff, too.

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Tony, maybe you can fill in the memory gaps for me. I can never remember Salford as ever being a strong club, What was it like in the Dave Watkins era? I was an avid and active Swinton fan from 1957 to round about 1968 when I moved well away from Swinton. Not that Swinton were in any way solid, well off and well run - poor crowds, dilapidated stadium etc but I recall Salford being even worse.

John - you watched Swinton at much the same time as myself with Gowers, Blan, Fleet, Buckley, Stopford, Norburn etc under Cliff Evans - a magical coach. I became involved myself there later and you are right Bateman was involved. Clift, Way & a couple of Doctors on the Board. Salford were not as strong as Swinton until Snape became involved with Watkins, Coulman & Co & of course the magical Evans sorted them into a terrifically attacking side.

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Parky - re the current situation.

The three Directors have no more money available to put in.

John has a Hotel next to Man U and only poor bids have been received. His other businesses are OK but not thriving and he needs every penny to support them. He is 68 - would like to pack in - and his wife is unwell and needs care. Howard is retired and cannot support the club financially. Ian Watson's Building Company is in a similar state to Johns and thus the club come second.

I still dont know whether HMRC have joined the petition. If not I would guess the Directors will try & seek an adjournment to settle Patten & Anderson out of Court but that is just a short term option. The Company is insolvent (as most clubs are) but that fact brings terrors to would be saviours.

The Balance Sheet needs to be changed. Loans to be swapped for shares for the Directors and Council - then we would be solvent and have a chance to strike a deal. Not much time is there?

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Parky - re the current situation.

The three Directors have no more money available to put in.

John has a Hotel next to Man U and only poor bids have been received. His other businesses are OK but not thriving and he needs every penny to support them. He is 68 - would like to pack in - and his wife is unwell and needs care. Howard is retired and cannot support the club financially. Ian Watson's Building Company is in a similar state to Johns and thus the club come second.

Thank you very much Mr. Carpet for that insight.

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