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Seconded, spending a large chunk of tonight in the childrens section of Wigan Infirmaries A&E department reenforced that in our house tonight! Everyone we dealt with was absolutely superb.

Hope your Mums stay in over Christmas is as comfortable as can be and that she has a speedy recovery.

Thanks Marc, she has an excellent team looking after her, and they are really on the ball. I'm sure if everything goes to plan she will have a speedy recovery.

All the best.

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Not really applicable where I am currently living, but most central London hospitals have an overseas accounts Departmdn, where non eu nantionals are charged through either the insurance or embassy, most of them leg it back home before the bill lands on the mat.

To the tune (2006 figures the last I had) of £23mlion at one central London trust alone

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Not really applicable where I am currently living, but most central London hospitals have an overseas accounts Departmdn, where non eu nantionals are charged through either the insurance or embassy, most of them leg it back home before the bill lands on the mat.

To the tune (2006 figures the last I had) of £23mlion at one central London trust alone

That's a lot of money from just one trust. Surely they have looked at ways to recoup their losses? It shouldn't be impossible in this day and age. Photographs, passports, referral to embassy, billing the relevant authority. Still, it's a more humanitarian approach to treat first and ask questions later. Incidentally, it is always possible that Brits might get treatment abroad and 'do a runner', so trying to clamp down on abuse might open a can of worms.

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That's a lot of money from just one trust. Surely they have looked at ways to recoup their losses? It shouldn't be impossible in this day and age. Photographs, passports, referral to embassy, billing the relevant authority. Still, it's a more humanitarian approach to treat first and ask questions later. Incidentally, it is always possible that Brits might get treatment abroad and 'do a runner', so trying to clamp down on abuse might open a can of worms.

Couple of excellent points made their T, mainly treat first ask questions later and I'll bet Brits abroad are no angels themselves (not including you and yours of course).

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Not really applicable where I am currently living, but most central London hospitals have an overseas accounts Departmdn, where non eu nantionals are charged through either the insurance or embassy, most of them leg it back home before the bill lands on the mat.

To the tune (2006 figures the last I had) of £23mlion at one central London trust alone

They give anaesthetists the figures for international payments? :mellow:

And if they've legged it back it's irrelevant - the insurance or embassy are paying, not the person.

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They give anaesthetists the figures for international payments? :mellow:

And if they've legged it back it's irrelevant - the insurance or embassy are paying, not the person.

Point 1: I should imagine such figures would be the subject of common gossip among the employees of any such organisation. As to their accuracy, I wouldn't know.

Point 2: I should hope this is true.

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I dated for a short time the secretary who looked after international billing in the private wing at St Mary's Paddington

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My friend, who was suffering from cancer, was rushed into hospital in Bradford because he was suffering from adverse effects of his chemotherapy. He was placed in an 8- bed ward next to an African who was suffering from a yet-to-be diagnosed disease and who was pretending not to be able to speak English as he didn't want the hospital to find out where he was from and to check if he was an illegal immigrant. He could speak it alright on his mobile phone when there were no nurses about.

I'll bet he got cured for nothing, possibly infected other people in the ward and is almost certainly still in this country.

I'll also bet that his own country hasn't paid a penny of the cost.

I know someone who was born here and whose antecedants were born here as far back as it is possible to trace. This person is very well off and has some sort of tax avoidance scheme connected to the IOM. It means that he doesn't pay any UK income tax. But he takes full advantage of the NHS. His wife recently had a mamograph (on the NHS) which showed up positive so she went into Jimmy's and had surgery and was cured (on the NHS) How many more people are there like this (very friendly helpful) guy? Before we start excluding the foreigners perhaps we could start on the tax avoiders.

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I know someone who was born here and whose antecedants were born here as far back as it is possible to trace. This person is very well off and has some sort of tax avoidance scheme connected to the IOM. It means that he doesn't pay any UK income tax. But he takes full advantage of the NHS. His wife recently had a mamograph (on the NHS) which showed up positive so she went into Jimmy's and had surgery and was cured (on the NHS) How many more people are there like this (very friendly helpful) guy? Before we start excluding the foreigners perhaps we could start on the tax avoiders.

Fair point. I'm sure we all know of people like that. I know of some people who 'don't exist' yet as you say, when they fall ill use the NHS. One such person, when asked who he was etc claimed to be an alkie with no memory of anything....and it worked.

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With regard to the African patient; he was exactly that. He happened to be black but I couldn't care less about the ethnicity of such patients ... the crucial factor in my mind is that they are sponging off the NHS and, as such, from my contributions.

He was arrogant enough or stupid enough to speak English on his phone in the ward when no staff were present; if he'd had anything about him, he would have either:-

- spoken in his own language ... he didn't so it can be assumed he was speaking to someone British or from a separate anglophone community

- gone to the toilet or shower room to make the calls.

There seems to be a common conception on this board that I am racially prejudiced. I am not, I just object to certain ethnic groupings flouting the accepted social, legal and financial mores of Great Britain. For instance, Bradford's longstanding ethnic divisions has recently been further stretched by an influxof eastern European street-beggars. Exactly what do these people contribute to either the city or to British society? No doubt they are also claiming money from the Social services,

I have friends, work colleagues and neighbours who are of West Indian, Sikh and Hindu ethnic backgrounds and they feel the same as me about these issues. Like me, they would laugh out loud at being accused of being racially prejudiced by certain right-on brigade members of this forum who have little if any experience of the current problems in places such as Bradford.

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http://www.thetelegr...ackdown/?ref=mr

'Tackling gang and youth violence in Bradford has become a Government priority, it was announced today.

The city was named by Home Secretary Theresa May as one of four new areas where action will be taken by the Home Office’s Ending Gang and Youth Violence frontline team.

Bradford, along with Leeds and London boroughs Merton, and Hammersmith and Fulham, have been identified as needing extra Government funds to stamp out gang and knife crime. '

Wow, Theresa May must be racially prejudiced as well. ;)

I reckon Weary Rhino and Kenilworth Tiger will be straight on here tomorrow deploring her for trying to suppress the traditional practices of certain sections of Bradford's ethnic communities. Perhaps they will recommend that we Bradfordians should instead welcome and embrace such gang culture as an authentic expression of multicultural diversity. Not that they themselves will be venturing here anytime soon.

:lol:

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http://www.thetelegr...ackdown/?ref=mr

'Tackling gang and youth violence in Bradford has become a Government priority, it was announced today.

The city was named by Home Secretary Theresa May as one of four new areas where action will be taken by the Home Office’s Ending Gang and Youth Violence frontline team.

Bradford, along with Leeds and London boroughs Merton, and Hammersmith and Fulham, have been identified as needing extra Government funds to stamp out gang and knife crime. '

Wow, Theresa May must be racially prejudiced as well. ;)

I reckon Weary Rhino and Kenilworth Tiger will be straight on here tomorrow deploring her for trying to suppress the traditional practices of certain sections of Bradford's ethnic communities. Perhaps they will recommend that we Bradfordians should instead welcome and embrace such gang culture as an authentic exp<b></b>ression of multicultural diversity. Not that they themselves will be venturing here anytime soon.

:lol:

the report is about gangs, no mention of race or colour.

hardly surprising that you have read it as you did though

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There does seem to be a problem with Romanians though. Not sure about the UK but certainly in France and Spain, I was robbed in Madrid last year three times in the space of three days! I'm told the punishment for prickpocketing in Spain is three days inside whereas in Romania it's 5 years hard labour, no wonder they come to Western Europe to ply their sklls (they are very skilful believe me :dry: )

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the report is about gangs, no mention of race or colour.

hardly surprising that you have read it as you did though

Your right. As anyone from Bradford will confirm, all these gangs are led by indigenous white supremacists. At the moment, there's a vicious tripartite turf war going on between the Golf Club Gang, the Allotments Gang and the Quiz League Gang . The local newspapers and TV stations areso in thrall to these white mafia gangs that they are never mentioned when someone gets stabbed, shot or merely badly beaten up. Instead, the reports generally refer only to poor innocent Moslems, Gypsies and Eastern Europeans who are coerced by the gangs into dealing in heroin and committing these crimes.

:wacko::lol:

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Your right. As anyone from Bradford will confirm, all these gangs are led by indigenous white supremacists. At the moment, there's a vicious tripartite turf war going on between the Golf Club Gang, the Allotments Gang and the Quiz League Gang . The local newspapers and TV stations areso in thrall to these white mafia gangs that they are never mentioned when someone gets stabbed, shot or merely badly beaten up. Instead, the reports generally refer only to poor innocent Moslems, Gypsies and Eastern Europeans who are coerced by the gangs into dealing in heroin and committing these crimes.

:wacko::lol:

Good effort of deflecting the fact that you read the article and immediately thought black/foreign/ethnic gangs - not that it tells us anything we didn;t already know....

"lots of my friends are coloured" :)

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There seems to be a common conception on this board that I am racially prejudiced.

It's because of your obsession with what foreigners are doing.

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Good effort of deflecting the fact that you read the article and immediately thought knew black/foreign/ethnic gangs - not that it tells us anything we didn;t already know....

"lots of my friends are coloured" :)

Edited for accuracy.

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I see from the T&A article that Wolford so kindly posted that the Deputy Leader of the Council and Councillor responsible for Community Safety is Asian. Isn't that just typical! They come here, serving the community with civic responsibility and all manner of ideas about public service. Bloody do gooders! Why can't they just mix in, assimilate and be moaning bigots like normal people?

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I see from the T&A article that Wolford so kindly posted that the Deputy Leader of the Council and Councillor responsible for Community Safety is Asian. Isn't that just typical! They come here, serving the community with civic responsibility and all manner of ideas about public service. Bloody do gooders! Why can't they just mix in, assimilate and be moaning bigots like normal people?

The gentleman in question ... Councillor Imran Hussain ... was most helpful to my neighbours and I when we were objecting to a recent (in our view dodgy) planning application that Bradford Council has subsequently approved. I am very grateful for his efforts and would definitely vote for him if he was my ward councillor.

Two of our own ward councillors wrote in support of our objections but didn't attend the appeal panel meeting. Councillor Hussain was at the meeting and insisted that we were given a fair chance to air our views and that the appeal panel should visit the proposed development site before ratifying the planning consent. I did verbally thank him for his efforts and, on reflection, wish that I had confirmed it in writing.

It is worth noting that the only detrimental comments that I have ever heard or read about Councillor Hussain were in the Respect Party's election literature when he stood against George Galloway in the Bradford West parliamentary by-election.

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There seems to be a common conception on this board that I am racially prejudiced. I am not, I just object to certain ethnic groupings flouting the accepted social, legal and financial mores of Great Britain.

I'm not accusing you of racial prejudice but you do seem highly selective.

Would you like to describe the ethnic group who flout the financial mores of this country, as described above, by avoiding an estimated £75 billion in taxes each year?

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I'm not accusing you of racial prejudice but you do seem highly selective.

Would you like to describe the ethnic group who flout the financial mores of this country, as described above, by avoiding an estimated £75 billion in taxes each year?

I don't approve of tax evasion so long as the taxation system is equitable. I pay my taxes and my earnings don't place me in the category of a top-band taxpayer. As such, I'm not really qualified to give a personal perspective of relevant tax-avoidance schemes.

Are your figures correct? it strikes me that the population of this country is around 65 million. At a generous estimate, 40 million people would be in a position to be liable to pay income tax. £75 billion divided by 40million equates to an averaged tax avoidance of ~ £2000 per taxpayer.

Tax avoidance schemes don't generally avoid the paying of all taxes; they just reduce the total paid to the exchequer. If I could legitimately avoid paying an extra £2000 per annum to this government, I would. I reckon most of our other board members would, given the opportunity, also do so.

Anyone who takes out a private pension or an ISA is effectively subscribing to a tax-avoidance scheme.

What evidence do you have that a single ethnic group of individuals is applying and taking advantage of these £75 billion tax avoidance schemes?

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I don't approve of tax evasion so long as the taxation system is equitable. I pay my taxes and my earnings don't place me in the category of a top-band taxpayer. As such, I'm not really qualified to give a personal perspective of relevant tax-avoidance schemes.

Are your figures correct? it strikes me that the population of this country is around 65 million. At a generous estimate, 40 million people would be in a position to be liable to pay income tax. £75 billion divided by 40million equates to an averaged tax avoidance of ~ £2000 per taxpayer.

Tax avoidance schemes don't generally avoid the paying of all taxes; they just reduce the total paid to the exchequer. If I could legitimately avoid paying an extra £2000 per annum to this government, I would. I reckon most of our other board members would, given the opportunity, also do so.

Anyone who takes out a private pension or an ISA is effectively subscribing to a tax-avoidance scheme.

What evidence do you have that a single ethnic group of individuals is applying and taking advantage of these £75 billion tax avoidance schemes?

it was you that linked "certain ethnic groups" to the financial mores of this country, not me.

The figures are a government estimate, not mine.

You do not seen to understand the meaning of. tax evasion and its legality. Hence your point about. ISAs etc. is totally irrelevant.

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Would you like to describe the ethnic group who flout the financial mores of this country, as described above, by avoiding an estimated £75 billion in taxes each year?

it was you that linked "certain ethnic groups" to the financial mores of this country, not me.

:wacko:

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Anyone who takes out a private pension or an ISA is effectively subscribing to a tax-avoidance scheme.

No they are not, the government has decreed that those are not taxable, therefore there is no tax to avoid. you are just putting your money where the government wants you to. :rolleyes:

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