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Rovers have 8,000 paying fans already and without the need for heavily subsidised season tickets, a situation Hudds & Salford can only dream about. Unlike Hudds & Salford they also benefit from all income generated at their stadium, catering, markets etc etc..

Rovers need 10,000 to break even, if they are to spend maximum salary cap that is true but even so their income already is more than Hudds & Salford added together.

It's a tremendous base for Mr Larvin to build on, do you really think a £15m investment in the club wouldn't make a big difference?

The City of Kingston upon Hull is the biggest Rugby League centre outside of Sydney & Brisbane. It is the jewel in the crown of British Rugby League and should be celebrated not constantly advised to slim down. There are 100,000 people who are Hull FC or Hull KR fans, currently 20,000 pay to watch them. Hull City have big potential too, nearly all their fans also favour Hull or Rovers. I'm a City/Rovers fan there are also loads of City/FC fans. We love our sport in Hull.

Mr Larvin says he is going to invest 3 separate installments of £5m each over the next 6 months into Hull Kingston Rovers. Till it happens I'd agree it's only til it happens, but the idea that it wouldn't make much difference......come off it!

BTW I honestly wish every success to Hudds & Salford, very great clubs who probably suffered from not having enough clubs to outnumber the great god of football in their area.

In the 60's Rovers had much bigger crowds than Hull, in the 70's & 80's more trophies. What is beyond doubt is that most of the time the 2 clubs experience good times & bad times simultaneously. They are motivated by each other, if one should become complacent then so will the other most usually.

Rugby League is the breath of life in Kingston upon Hull, a place where you go to work every Monday either bursting your veins in triumph or thinking how to make an excuse to take the day off. It means that much.

That's why we all grow up in our city with Rugby League not so much an option but part of our being. Parksider lost the essence of his club, that's sad but in East Hull even at our lowest ebb we would never let that happen.

We walked the streets of East Hull on the march to raise money for Hull KR in the days of administration, we refused to die. It means that much.

Our days in administration lasted fully 3 and a half years. Marooned from the new dawn of Super League it seemed we didn't matter any more. We asked for no help and we didn't get any. But people like Hudgell, Crossland and Larvin it's been eating away at us deep within.

We won't rest until our club is back at the summit. Sorry if this is disappointing for you.

I enjoyed you post too. I think your point about refusing to let your club die is very inspiring with the state of my team right now.

The thing about sport is that not every team can be the best on or off the field - sometimes it doesn't make business sense to continue. But fans don't see it that way and thats when we start collecting in buckets and forming action groups until our team is able to continue playing in some form or other.

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But it isn't straight up an down in football, you can only be promoted if you fulfil the criteria of the division you are moving up to.

I don't recall a champ club being denied access to the premier league do you? I also doubt if someone finishes top of the champ and they don't meet the criteria for premier league that they won't be let in. As they would be a massive uproar in football and that's what is missing in our game for me. The RFL and the so called big clubs call too many of the shots in RL nowadays that's why the top clubs stay top clubs and the bottom clubs stay bottom clubs. I know finance plays a part too but that's just a part of it.

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I don't recall a champ club being denied access to the premier league do you? I also doubt if someone finishes top of the champ and they don't meet the criteria for premier league that they won't be let in. As they would be a massive uproar in football and that's what is missing in our game for me. The RFL and the so called big clubs call too many of the shots in RL nowadays that's why the top clubs stay top clubs and the bottom clubs stay bottom clubs. I know finance plays a part too but that's just a part of it.

The vast majority of Championship clubs are already in a state to be promoted in football. If Scunthorpe United had won the Championship, do you think they'd promote them?

Basically, P&R without standards is what you want. And expansion that doesn't harm the chances of the established teams' success.

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The vast majority of Championship clubs are already in a state to be promoted in football. If Scunthorpe United had won the Championship, do you think they'd promote them?

Basically, P&R without standards is what you want. And expansion that doesn't harm the chances of the established teams' success.

Yes to both questions. That is what I would like to happen and should happen IMO but I'm only one voice and everybody is entitled to their opinion too. But the teams that are in SL at the minute their fans are a bit blinded because if they were in say us , fax or Leigh's situation their opinions would change I'm in no doubt about that.

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I don't recall a champ club being denied access to the premier league do you? I also doubt if someone finishes top of the champ and they don't meet the criteria for premier league that they won't be let in. As they would be a massive uproar in football and that's what is missing in our game for me. The RFL and the so called big clubs call too many of the shots in RL nowadays that's why the top clubs stay top clubs and the bottom clubs stay bottom clubs. I know finance plays a part too but that's just a part of it.

Well if they meet the criteria they won't bloody well be refused, try getting a club into the Championship or Premier League with a ground that isn't all seater.

Here's the Football Leagues Criteria

http://www.football-...2293633_2128158

http://www.thefa.com...cial-regulation

In the Premier League all pitches must conform to a standard size of 105m x 68m, that's ok if your pitch is over sized you can bring it in, but what if your pitch is the F.A's. minimum size of 100m x 64m with no spare space around the edges.

Premier League dressing rooms must be a minimum of 30m2

The stadium must have 50 press seats with an desk, an electrical point, a tv monitor.

The stadium must have 12 TV commentary positions, 15 radio broadcast positions for uk broadcasters, plus commentry positions for foreign broadcasters. There are regulations on where in the stadium these must be.

The list goes on and on..

Are you telling me that every single club in the FA can meet these requirements without remedial work?

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Well if they meet the criteria they won't bloody well be refused, try getting a club into the Championship or Premier League with a ground that isn't all seater.

Here's the Football Leagues Criteria

http://www.football-...2293633_2128158

http://www.thefa.com...cial-regulation

In the Premier League all pitches must conform to a standard size of 105m x 68m, that's ok if your pitch is over sized you can bring it in, but what if your pitch is the F.A's. minimum size of 100m x 64m with no spare space around the edges.

Premier League dressing rooms must be a minimum of 30m2

The stadium must have 50 press seats with an desk, an electrical point, a tv monitor.

The stadium must have 12 TV commentary positions, 15 radio broadcast positions for uk broadcasters, plus commentry positions for foreign broadcasters. There are regulations on where in the stadium these must be.

The list goes on and on..

Are you telling me that every single club in the FA can meet these requirements?

What I'm saying is if a team gets promoted to the premier league even if they don't meet the criteria no way will they be refused entry. No one as ever heard of a footy club being told you can't enter the premier league because of criteria. No club ever will either.

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What I'm saying is if a team gets promoted to the premier league even if they don't meet the criteria no way will they be refused entry. No one as ever heard of a footy club being told you can't enter the premier league because of criteria. No club ever will either.

From memory Blackpool had to upgrade their ground or else they wouldn't have been promoted.

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From memory Blackpool had to upgrade their ground or else they wouldn't have been promoted.

Correct Blackpool only had a 12,000 seater stadium and had to upgrade it to 16,000 if they didn't they were not going to be allowed up.

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Yes to both questions.

Glamford Park would not be allowed into the Premier League. Ever. It has less than 10k capacity and isn't even all seater. It's laughable that you think they would.

That is what I would like to happen and should happen IMO but I'm only one voice and everybody is entitled to their opinion too. But the teams that are in SL at the minute their fans are a bit blinded because if they were in say us , fax or Leigh's situation their opinions would change I'm in no doubt about that.

So basically you're saying that as long as these expansion sides never get good enough to get in the way of the established clubs, you're all for them? That's not exactly expansion, is it? You're not for expansion at all. You're very much for the status quo, so long as it's your club involved.

The RFL aren't going to pick rules to suit your team. They'll do it to suit the game.

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You can have three SL cubs in Hull if someone wants to bankroll each one, ad infinitum, just like you can have three clubs in SL in the Calder area. I've nowt against any club I just wish to see the game spread out for the sake of the game and I wish to see such strongholds as Hull and the Wakefield area give the top four a game again, for the sake of the game.

That fine and i agree with you. However, you had a go at me for counting the chickens before they hatched and I was pointing out to you the qualification in my OP where I stated that there was a big IF involved.

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Glamford Park would not be allowed into the Premier League. Ever. It has less than 10k capacity and isn't even all seater. It's laughable that you think they would.

So basically you're saying that as long as these expansion sides never get good enough to get in the way of the established clubs, you're all for them? That's not exactly expansion, is it? You're not for expansion at all. You're very much for the status quo, so long as it's your club involved.

The RFL aren't going to pick rules to suit your team. They'll do it to suit the game.

Suit the game? That's April fools day comment isn't it? Don't you mean to suit them? The RFL is full of clowns and jesters and one day they will be all made to pay for what they have done to our game.

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Suit the game? That's April fools day comment isn't it? Don't you mean to suit them? The RFL is full of clowns and jesters and one day they will be all made to pay for what they have done to our game.

You can tell its panto season, the drama queens are out in force.

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That fine and i agree with you. However, you had a go at me for counting the chickens before they hatched and I was pointing out to you the qualification in my OP where I stated that there was a big IF involved.

Have a go at you?

Never :D

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Suit the game? That's April fools day comment isn't it? Don't you mean to suit them? The RFL is full of clowns and jesters and one day they will be all made to pay for what they have done to our game.

What have they done? How can they make the game suit "them"? What's in it for "them"?

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Just think what a merged Hull team playing out of the KC could do for SL with an FC and KR team playing the the championship.

You are 'avin a larf; aint ya?

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What does this mean in respect of Crossland and Hudgell?

An end to their wives moaning "How much more money are you going to pour down the bloody drain?"

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I'm a big believer of P&R always have been always will be. I think whoever wins the league or GF as it now stands should get promoted no matter what.

Anyone who wants P & R for whatever reason will of course support the argument that the top four CC teams (semi-pro players, wage limit £300k) are now as good as the bottom four SL teams (fully pro players, wage limit £1,650,00) both Fev’s victory over Cas and their taking of Wigan close is proof enough of this “fact”.

However Gaz the first problem is you can’t put a semi pro team in a fully pro league. Players with jobs and careers cannot risk their livelihoods for a year in the sun only to be relegated. Plenty will want out. You also have to strengthen anyway and so you need to be offering some very big contracts to available pro players, and what few there are don’t want one year of struggle.

The idea the players who win promotion should get it because they deserve it and have earnt it isn’t real Rugby League life, half don’t want it and the other half may get replaced by reluctant professionals.

How well a promoted club will go will affect their business. Leigh were the last semi pro promoted club (Cas stayed pro up to a point) to attempt to continue their winning ways in the Superleague with many of the players who won the Championship and it flopped pretty quickly, by the time London visited them in late may the club had been in last place for 7 weeks and only 3,200 turned up for the game.

Being relegated also affect other clubs business’s and if Fev had gone up this year Widnes would have gone down and faced the problems of what to do about their wage bill and all the professionals on it. Swingeing cuts would be the order of the day and even if O’Connor wanted to stay and fight back to the Superleague then it would be back to square one, as it probably would be back to square one for Featherstone. Don’t quote me HKR, they bought Australians to stay up, can’t be done like that anymore.

The reality of P & R could be Fev and Widnes “changing places” year on year with the Superleague clubs all having a wry smile and making sure all the best pro’s are all swallowed up before the new boys arrive. That was the joke that P & R was and that’s what we’ll probably get if it returns.

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Anyone who wants P & R for whatever reason will of course support the argument that the top four CC teams (semi-pro players, wage limit £300k) are now as good as the bottom four SL teams (fully pro players, wage limit £1,650,00) both Fev’s victory over Cas and their taking of Wigan close is proof enough of this “fact”.

However Gaz the first problem is you can’t put a semi pro team in a fully pro league. Players with jobs and careers cannot risk their livelihoods for a year in the sun only to be relegated. Plenty will want out. You also have to strengthen anyway and so you need to be offering some very big contracts to available pro players, and what few there are don’t want one year of struggle.

The idea the players who win promotion should get it because they deserve it and have earnt it isn’t real Rugby League life, half don’t want it and the other half may get replaced by reluctant professionals.

How well a promoted club will go will affect their business. Leigh were the last semi pro promoted club (Cas stayed pro up to a point) to attempt to continue their winning ways in the Superleague with many of the players who won the Championship and it flopped pretty quickly, by the time London visited them in late may the club had been in last place for 7 weeks and only 3,200 turned up for the game.

Being relegated also affect other clubs business’s and if Fev had gone up this year Widnes would have gone down and faced the problems of what to do about their wage bill and all the professionals on it. Swingeing cuts would be the order of the day and even if O’Connor wanted to stay and fight back to the Superleague then it would be back to square one, as it probably would be back to square one for Featherstone. Don’t quote me HKR, they bought Australians to stay up, can’t be done like that anymore.

The reality of P & R could be Fev and Widnes “changing places” year on year with the Superleague clubs all having a wry smile and making sure all the best pro’s are all swallowed up before the new boys arrive. That was the joke that P & R was and that’s what we’ll probably get if it returns.

I agree but DP is no mug of a coach and he as said if our squad at the minute were professional we would stay up he said our squad would challenge at the minute for a top 8 spot. I don't know if I agree but I do agree we would stay up if the squad we have now were full time and not part time.

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I agree but DP is no mug of a coach and he as said if our squad at the minute were professional we would stay up he said our squad would challenge at the minute for a top 8 spot. I don't know if I agree but I do agree we would stay up if the squad we have now were full time and not part time.

Why di these professional players lose to Sheffield in the Grand Final then, surely they should have been far better than second division amateurs?

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I agree but DP is no mug of a coach and he as said if our squad at the minute were professional we would stay up he said our squad would challenge at the minute for a top 8 spot. I don't know if I agree but I do agree we would stay up if the squad we have now were full time and not part time.

Would every one of those players switched to full time?

I think Fev fans think they're a bit better then they are sometimes. They've only won one GF.

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Why di these professional players lose to Sheffield in the Grand Final then, surely they should have been far better than second division amateurs?

Our players are not on full time contracts yet Padge they are part time like the rest of our league. It was one game too many for us we looked knackered in the final. We played in every game possible last season and with the good CC run too it was just too many games for a part time squad.

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Would every one of those players switched to full time?

I think Fev fans think they're a bit better then they are sometimes. They've only won one GF.

The comment didn't come from any fev fan it came from our coach. I personally think SL would be hard for us but I would be confident of staying in it if we got the chance. I don't think the bottom of SL is much better than the top of the champ if any better.

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Our players are not on full time contracts yet Padge they are part time like the rest of our league. It was one game too many for us we looked knackered in the final. We played in every game possible last season and with the good CC run too it was just too many games for a part time squad.

But your squad may not want to be professionals, they may not even all be good enough to be professionals. How many of your squad, should you be promoted at some time in the future, would start your first SL season?

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