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Why are Celtic and Ranger's not part of the English Football set up like Cardiff and Swansea.

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Why are Celtic and Ranger's not part of the English Football set up like Cardiff and Swansea.

 

Because several Welsh clubs took one look at the FAW set-up and ran a mile.

 

These days they'd probably be blocked from doing so - that's why Rangers & Celtic would struggle to be allowed to move, and why in the women's set-up Glasgow City can't - but back in the day there was no issue.

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Rangers and Celtic (until Rangers' financial implosion) were to all intents and purposes guaranteed participation in European competition every year. This earned big bucks.

 

To join the English League would be financial foolishness ...

 - both sell their grounds out every week so there would be no gate receipt rise.

  - they would not be guaranteed to be offered a place in the Premiership

  - they would win fewer trophies

 - they might well not get back into Europe for at least 3 years.

 

The Welsh League is a pretty low standard, about on a par with the English Conference. About twenty years ago, Cardiff, Newport, Swansea, Wrexham and Merthyr refused to secede to it and stayed in the English pyramid system.

 

Strangely, if a Cardiff or Swansea player gets sent off, he is disciplined by the Welsh FA.

 

Swansea have had to have special permission to play in Europe this season.

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Rangers and Celtic (until Rangers' financial implosion) were to all intents and purposes guaranteed participation in European competition every year. This earned big bucks.

 

To join the English League would be financial foolishness ...

 - both sell their grounds out every week so there would be no gate receipt rise.

  - they would not be guaranteed to be offered a place in the Premiership

  - they would win fewer trophies

 - they might well not get back into Europe for at least 3 years.

 

The Welsh League is a pretty low standard, about on a par with the English Conference. About twenty years ago, Cardiff, Newport, Swansea, Wrexham and Merthyr refused to secede to it and stayed in the English pyramid system.

 

Strangely, if a Cardiff or Swansea player gets sent off, he is disciplined by the Welsh FA.

 

Swansea have had to have special permission to play in Europe this season.

 

The Welsh League is very low standard.  You mean the League of Wales, or as it is now, the Welsh Premier.  Its establishment in 1992 led to the original 'irate 8' staying within the English system instead of (re)joining the Welsh one.  Clubs such as Barry Town (RIP hahahahahahahahahaha) and Bangor City left the English system to join the newly national Welsh one.  When I was watching it week in week out I'd have put the LoW on a par with the upper divisions of the Southern/Northern/Isthmian leagues - these days I'd say it might not be quite that strong but that's more because the English non leagues have become more professional.

 

Swansea and Cardiff players are now disciplined by the FA as they are in the FA Premier League.  I don't know if they would go back to being sanctioned by the FAW if they returned to the Football League.

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Yeah, the year before Man United won it.

No my point was you were claiming that a team had a right to be in a competition due to winning it once.

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I have more chance of winning miss world than celtic have of winning the champions league, how many years have they played in it just cos the rest of scotlands club teams are 3rd rate, year in year out, along with rangers till recently making up the numbers until the enevitable ko

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No my point was you were claiming that a team had a right to be in a competition due to winning it once.

I don't realistically think that, but if he is bagging a team, at least choose one that hasn't won the thing

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Rangers and Celtic (until Rangers' financial implosion) were to all intents and purposes guaranteed participation in European competition every year. This earned big bucks.

 

To join the English League would be financial foolishness ...

 - both sell their grounds out every week so there would be no gate receipt rise.

  - they would not be guaranteed to be offered a place in the Premiership

  - they would win fewer trophies

 - they might well not get back into Europe for at least 3 years.

 

 

I read somewhere that top clubs, from this season, receive close to £100 million by competing in the English Premier League.

Celtic, more than capable of being the second best supported club in the English competition were they to be admitted, received about £2.5 million for being in (and winning) the SPL. If they fail to overcome last night's 2-0 defeat then they stand to lose £20 million by missing out on the Champions League group stages.

Even without European football they would benefit massively in financial terms by being part of the English Premier League, and I'm sure Celtic would be confident of qualifying even against the usual English qualifiers.

There are reasons, however, why the English football authorities would be crazy to admit either of the Old Firm.

 

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1 I read somewhere that top clubs, from this season, receive close to £100 million by competing in the English Premier League.

 

2 Even without European football they would benefit massively in financial terms by being part of the English Premier League, and I'm sure Celtic would be confident of qualifying even against the usual English qualifiers.

 

 

 

1. I think it's £60million, which is a big rise apparently.

 

2. I think, at that money, no English Premier League team outside Man U would vote to allow Celtic or Rangers in. The cost of joining the Championship (if it was offered) might still be worth it if they expected to be promoted within a couple of years.

 

 

I think their best chance is a European Super League. With the government making Sky share coverage with other broadcasters, it might suit Sky and the big clubs to break away. I bet UEFA would love to stick one on the English FA by supporting the idea.  

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1. I think it's £60million, which is a big rise apparently.

 

2. I think, at that money, no English Premier League team outside Man U would vote to allow Celtic or Rangers in. The cost of joining the Championship (if it was offered) might still be worth it if they expected to be promoted within a couple of years.

 

 

I think their best chance is a European Super League. With the government making Sky share coverage with other broadcasters, it might suit Sky and the big clubs to break away. I bet UEFA would love to stick one on the English FA by supporting the idea.  

 

1. I think it's £60million, which is a big rise apparently.

 

2. I think, at that money, no English Premier League team outside Man U would vote to allow Celtic or Rangers in. The cost of joining the Championship (if it was offered) might still be worth it if they expected to be promoted within a couple of years.

 

 

I think their best chance is a European Super League. With the government making Sky share coverage with other broadcasters, it might suit Sky and the big clubs to break away. I bet UEFA would love to stick one on the English FA by supporting the idea.  

 

I don't think there's any chance they'd be voted in. With the support they have they'd be candidates to expand the 'big four' (or is it five these days) but would that be in the interests of the current top-dogs?

Some sort of elite European league would be interesting, but they've been talking about it for years and I'm not sure it would be possible with the politics inherent in UEFA. From a footballing point of view I always fancied the Atlantic League, which would have brought together clubs from Scotland, Belgium, Netherlands, Portugal and, possibly, Scandinavia. The idea was that the clubs that had outgrown those leagues could come together and attract the type of revenues associated with the big leagues of England, Spain, Italy, etc.

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I don't realistically think that, but if he is bagging a team, at least choose one that hasn't won the thing

 

I'm taking GJ's advice about feeding-time but bagging Celtic, of all the clubs that have ever entered the Champions League (or qualifying rounds) seems strange. Given the handicap they have by not being part of one of Europes wealthier leagues, Celtic are credible performers.

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Anyway, enough of Celtic.

Tonight, Methven's greatest ever footballer scored her first goal for Scotland when she equalised in the last minute against Serbia.

 

Clelland grabs late equaliser in Serbia

 

I say Methven's greatest ever player...

We noticed that there had been a bereavement on Tuesday at our next door neighbour but one, and as we suspected it was the man of the house who had passed away. To us he had just been Fred, the friendly guy who was always in his garden in the summer, always ready for a chat. It turns out he made over 200 appearances for Aberdeen, was part of the team that in 1995 won the championship for the first time, and was Scotland goalie in the 1954 world cup (6 appearances in total).

Although born in Carnoustie, the family had lived in Methven for a few decades, his wife was teacher at the village school and one of his daughters taught both my children at nursery.

I wish I'd have known, reminiscing about his career would have made a change from chatting about the weather, his garden, my dog...

Fred Martin, RIP

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Was there talk of Dublin having a team in the EPL a few year's back.

 

Wasn't it Wimbledon? I think that was to pressurise the local authority into assisting in the building of a new stadium.

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Wasn't it Wimbledon? I think that was to pressurise the local authority into assisting in the building of a new stadium.

When I have talked to most Irish they all seem to get utter hard on's over the EPL yet don't seemed that bothered by the other code's of GAA and Rugby Union.

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A bit random but just wanted to put it out there......Marcelo Bielsa for the England job!!!!

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Would feel sorry for him if he got the job.

The England job is basically trying to control several massive egos who think they are better than they are, and have a nation expect you to get to the semi final stage of a major competition with a team which is probably not in the top 20 when it comes to technically gifted footballers. It's possibly the worst job in the world.

Apart from Beckham, the only ever technically gifted footballer England have ever had is Paul Scholes, he even stated that one of the reasons he retired was due to the amount of egos in the camp.

Anyways 93m for Gareth Bale according to numerous sources, I'm going to guess probably at around 2022 before fofootball implodes on itself and has to restructure everything.

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Would feel sorry for him if he got the job.

The England job is basically trying to control several massive egos who think they are better than they are, and have a nation expect you to get to the semi final stage of a major competition with a team which is probably not in the top 20 when it comes to technically gifted footballers. It's possibly the worst job in the world.

Apart from Beckham, the only ever technically gifted footballer England have ever had is Paul Scholes, he even stated that one of the reasons he retired was due to the amount of egos in the camp.

Anyways 93m for Gareth Bale according to numerous sources, I'm going to guess probably at around 2022 before fofootball implodes on itself and has to restructure everything.

 

 

 I'm going to guess probably at around 2022 before fofootball implodes on itself and has to restructure everything.

 

 

see report

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Would feel sorry for him if he got the job.

The England job is basically trying to control several massive egos who think they are better than they are, and have a nation expect you to get to the semi final stage of a major competition with a team which is probably not in the top 20 when it comes to technically gifted footballers. It's possibly the worst job in the world.

Apart from Beckham, the only ever technically gifted footballer England have ever had is Paul Scholes, he even stated that one of the reasons he retired was due to the amount of egos in the camp.

Anyways 93m for Gareth Bale according to numerous sources, I'm going to guess probably at around 2022 before fofootball implodes on itself and has to restructure everything.

That is just plain sick.

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Aber start the season with a 3-0 win in gogland. Beautiful.

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Aber start the season with a 3-0 win in gogland. Beautiful.

 

I've lost touch. I had no idea that Rhyl had been out of the top flight. Last time I looked they were doing quite well.

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I've lost touch. I had no idea that Rhyl had been out of the top flight. Last time I looked they were doing quite well.

 

It's all boom and bust unless you're TNS.

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