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yet theres absolutely no evidence "manchester" would have worked...

so u can knock mo back down to 1

The point is Lyndsay knew the smaller clubs would never work in the modern world.

I suppose he could have called for them to just give up, however he called for them to try something to get out of the depression they were in. He tried to be positive.

Salford and Oldham ignored him. That was their choice, and one club is barely alive as a professional club, the other may die soon.

All that proves is Lyndsay tried to help, and the clubs shoved their heads in the sand.

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The point is Lyndsay knew the smaller clubs would never work in the modern world.

I suppose he could have called for them to just give up, however he called for them to try something to get out of the depression they were in. He tried to be positive.

Salford and Oldham ignored him. That was their choice, and one club is barely alive as a professional club, the other may die soon.

All that proves is Lyndsay tried to help, and the clubs shoved their heads in the sand.

So by that reasoning he thought that Warrington and Widnes were not big enough to survive in SL. Doesn't Warrington's growth rather prove him wrong and lose him a point?

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So by that reasoning he thought that Warrington and Widnes were not big enough to survive in SL. Doesn't Warrington's growth rather prove him wrong and lose him a point?

Lyndsay called 14 clubs Dave and guess what?

That's what we have.

He knew Widnes had been a top club but as a small town club heavily overstretched themselves financially, Widnes however had a fantastic record of junior development.

Wire didn't have that but had a great fan base in a bigger town, so he saw that between the two clubs (and lets be fair, I've travelled the very very short road from Wire to Widnes) they could rival Saints and Wigan.

So the call he made at that point in time was bang on.

As it transpired, Widnes sank further and their junior system dried up. Wire however bumped into a man called Moran, and under his excellent patronage and from his wealth Warrington have really come on fantastically.

So you need to take into account at the time Mo called it. Mr. Moran was not doing the business.

The problem here with people having a go at Lyndsay is he could say it as he saw it in 1996, but he didn't have a crystal ball and could not know what events would change the RL scene. For instance in 1996 he dismissed Huddersfield out of hand.

But how was he to know Ken Davey's wife would take a shine to the Fartowners.

I think we need to be balanced and fair over Lyndsay, but sadly other people's nasty petty prejudices often over ride that.

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Ah hindsight! :lol:

How many teams in this country have sucessfully merged into a new club? Me and Spud both love our clubs - for better and for worse and the fans of Oldham want to support Oldham & the fans of Salford want ... er Salford. NOT Manchester mde up something. It probably doesn't make business sense, but since when did supporting a rugby team need to make sense :D - its not a rational thing to do really ...

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So by that reasoning he thought that Warrington and Widnes were not big enough to survive in SL. Doesn't Warrington's growth rather prove him wrong and lose him a point?

Widnes had been on the edge for a while, they had been having money trouble continually. Lindsay pulled Widnes out of it by buying Lydon for £100,000, Wigan later again got them out of the financial mess when they bought Offiah for £440,000. Widnes had to off-load Davies on a free transfer to Warrington to save them from getting in it once again.

At the time there was nobody on a white charger riding in to save them, Warrington were playing in a dilapidated stadium bumping along at the time with once again no sign of anyone coming to the rescue.

If we had carried on would these two clubs have found a saviour, we don't know, we do know they were both heading for trouble (more so Widnes), did the creation of SL spark an interest from well financed backers for the clubs, maybe, but in reality we don't know.

What I think we do know is that we couldn't carry on as we were and where we were wasn't in a place that a lot of clubs were going to survive in.

It doesn't really matter whether clubs merged or not, in the brave new world those that sort themselves out will survive, others may be lost. The clubs voted for a fight to the death when they rejected mergers. Lindsay didn't want that but the clubs did.

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Ah hindsight! :lol:

How many teams in this country have sucessfully merged into a new club? Me and Spud both love our clubs - for better and for worse and the fans of Oldham want to support Oldham & the fans of Salford want ... er Salford. NOT Manchester mde up something. It probably doesn't make business sense, but since when did supporting a rugby team need to make sense :D - its not a rational thing to do really ...

But you are both going to die or at best be on life support for years until you do.

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But you are both going to die or at best be on life support for years until you do.

You are absolutely right. BUT it is easy to suggest these things - but would you want it to happen to your club?

As I said supporting a sport team is about loyalty etc ... not comon sense :lol:

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You are absolutely right. BUT it is easy to suggest these things - but would you want it to happen to your club?

As I said supporting a sport team is about loyalty etc ... not comon sense :lol:

I have always said that of the survival of rugby league in Wigan depended an some form of merger with someone I would back it.

I do not have the right to deny future generations of Wiganers the pleasures of RL just because I want to hang on to some failed past.

Sorry but you do not have the right to kill off RL in Oldham because you want to remain rooted in your failed past either.

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I have always said that of the survival of rugby league in Wigan depended an some form of merger with someone I would back it.

I do not have the right to deny future generations of Wiganers the pleasures of RL just because I want to hang on to some failed past.

Sorry but you do not have the right to kill off RL in Oldham because you want to remain rooted in your failed past either.

You have good but rare attitude - most of us just couldn't do it - we are too selfish. Be honest though and say how many Wigan fans would agree to a merger with Saints or Wire.

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You are absolutely right. BUT it is easy to suggest these things - but would you want it to happen to your club?

As I said supporting a sport team is about loyalty etc ... not comon sense :lol:

Fair call there Mr. Hound.

I can't criticise the heart of any RL fan.

If Oldham and Salford fans all want to say that despite Lyndsays call he could stick a merger.

And despite the fact (as it stands) that both clubs are decimated 17 years on he can still stick it....

Then fair enough

The two clubs may disappear/survive as low level semi pro entities, and delight their diehards in doing so.

Thes rest of Lancashire and north Cheshire will carry on supporting Wire, Widnes, Saints and Wigan......

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You have good but rare attitude - most of us just couldn't do it - we are too selfish. Be honest though and say how many Wigan fans would agree to a merger with Saints or Wire.

I have no idea what the answer to your question is, I haven't asked them all.

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I have no idea what the answer to your question is, I haven't asked them all.

It's the same answer for any club when they get asked to merge with a rival a big fat no chance.

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It's the same answer for any club when they get asked to merge with a rival a bit fat no chance.

Oh you've asked them all, care to publish the results of your research?

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Oh you've asked them all, care to publish the results of your research?

Sometimes I think you live on cloud cuckoo land Padge. I don't need to ask them all I'm in no doubt the majority would say no.

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Sometimes I think you live on cloud cuckoo land Padge. I don't need to ask them all I'm in no doubt the majority would say no.

You mistake terrace talk for reality.

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You mistake terrace talk for reality.

Don't get me wrong the BODs may agree to it but the fans never would and I would suspect a lot of fans would boycott the merged team.

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Don't get me wrong the BODs may agree to it but the fans never would and I would suspect a lot of fans would boycott the merged team.

If you need to merge you haven't got enough fans anyway.

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It's the same answer for any club when they get asked to merge with a rival a big fat no chance.

Come on Gaz.

Diehards like you will die with the club..... fair enough.

But the vast majority of people interested in supporting RL just want entertainment.

In reality in your area of Fev, Cas and Wakey a small number of fans went mad about mergers in 1996 and 17 years on all three "Calder" clubs continue to struggle and be skint and have to watch whilst the big clubs win all the trophies.

The problem with your intransigence is it leads to nowhere but bitterness, self righteousness and self flagellation whilst most of the Calder area would just like to have a club as "false" as it may be that could win a cup so 20,000 people could just have a day out to remember.

A few beers, a cup win, and sod tradition.

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If you need to merge you haven't got a lot of fans left.

That's not entirely true though because Salford have got a good 5k fan base and you were talking of them merging with Oldham. I understand Oldhams BOD may agree to it but what would Oldham bring to Salford if this was to happen 500 fans? In this case I would say Salford would be better on their own.

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Come on Gaz.

Diehards like you will die with the club..... fair enough.

But the vast majority of people interested in supporting RL just want entertainment.

In reality in your area of Fev, Cas and Wakey a small number of fans went mad about mergers in 1996 and 17 years on all three "Calder" clubs continue to struggle and be skint and have to watch whilst the big clubs win all the trophies.

The problem with your intransigence is it leads to nowhere but bitterness, self righteousness and self flagellation whilst most of the Calder area would just like to have a club as "false" as it may be that could win a cup so 20,000 people could just have a day out to remember.

A few beers, a cup win, and sod tradition.

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Sometimes I think you live on cloud cuckoo land Padge. I don't need to ask them all I'm in no doubt the majority would say no.

They can say, and have every right to say "NO".

However in another 17 years of Superleague with Leeds, Wigan, Saints, Wire and maybe Wakefield in Newmarket having cleared up on every trophy going they may wish they had said "YES".

But then again most of them may have moved on....

I'm sure most of the "Merging on the ridiculous" crowd 17 years ago probably don't go to RL matches...

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They can say, and have every right to say "NO".

However in another 17 years of Superleague with Leeds, Wigan, Saints, Wire and maybe Wakefield in Newmarket having cleared up on every trophy going they may wish they had said "YES".

But then again most of them may have moved on....

I'm sure most of the "Merging on the ridiculous" crowd 17 years ago probably don't go to RL matches...

I can't speak for every fev, c@s and wakey fan but I was there and I voted no.And looking at us now I don't regret it one minute.

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I can't speak for every fev, c@s and wakey fan but I was there and I voted no.And looking at us now I don't regret it one minute.

I don't regret it either but if there were to be a "referendum" today I'm genuinely not sure what I'd vote for.

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Why would a merger be asked? As wakey are making great strides at the minute and so are we.

Gaz, take a step back

Featherstone have 2000 fans, 500 short of the requirement for superleague. and Sheffield were grand final winners who you could not beat.

That's not great strides at all mate,

Wakefield went bust with 6500 fans but had a hand up from SLE and after Glover took the helm they added 1600 fans without achieving anything but survival.

Newmarket if it happens may see the club hit 10,000 crowds. Wakefield may hit the same sort of revival Hull or Wire did.

So I would not agree that Fev and wakey are somehow moving on up on a par. It could be Wakefield leave you well behind??

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Gaz, take a step back

Featherstone have 2000 fans, 500 short of the requirement for superleague. and Sheffield were grand final winners who you could not beat.

That's not great strides at all mate,

Wakefield went bust with 6500 fans but had a hand up from SLE and after Glover took the helm they added 1600 fans without achieving anything but survival.

Newmarket if it happens may see the club hit 10,000 crowds. Wakefield may hit the same sort of revival Hull or Wire did.

So I would not agree that Fev and wakey are somehow moving on up on a par. It could be Wakefield leave you well behind??

Maybe they will maybe they won't I don't know. But what I do know is whatever happens to our club in the future whether we're in SL or not I will know our BOD and coach will have done everything they had to and can do to get us in SL. But what I will say is if we do get into SL with this BOD and our investors we will stay there.

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