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Stand-offs and quick players

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Remember though GOR that TG is really a loose forward, though signed on to us as a utility forward, but is brilliant at stand off, although most loose forwards can play at stand off

Not saying we haven't had any decent stand offs kelsey - the Agars were both OK, Nigel Stevenson did it to some effect and Johnny wolford was no mug (although laterly a loose forward), but we've never had a Hardisty, Shoebottom, myler or Topliss, who all took some catching.

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Not saying we haven't had any decent stand offs kelsey - the Agars were both OK, Nigel Stevenson did it to some effect and Johnny wolford was no mug (although laterly a loose forward), but we've never had a Hardisty, Shoebottom, myler or Topliss, who all took some catching.

Surely you must have had some pacey stand offs in the half century that you have been watching them, although you have listed some skillful but pedestrian 6s. Bernard Watson had reasonable pace in his prime. Had he lost it by time that he came to Dewsbury? Weren't Vasey and Lingard fairly sharp?

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Not saying we haven't had any decent stand offs kelsey - the Agars were both OK, Nigel Stevenson did it to some effect and Johnny wolford was no mug (although laterly a loose forward), but we've never had a Hardisty, Shoebottom, myler or Topliss, who all took some catching.

Les Holliday was ok at Loose-Forward.

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Not saying we haven't had any decent stand offs kelsey - the Agars were both OK, Nigel Stevenson did it to some effect and Johnny wolford was no mug (although laterly a loose forward), but we've never had a Hardisty, Shoebottom, myler or Topliss, who all took some catching.

I understand that you want a stand off with pace, after all I want that too, I'm sure jy mel will pick up pace as the season come on

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Not saying we haven't had any decent stand offs kelsey - the Agars were both OK, Nigel Stevenson did it to some effect and Johnny wolford was no mug (although laterly a loose forward), but we've never had a Hardisty, Shoebottom, myler or Topliss, who all took some catching.

Chris Vasey?

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Chris Vasey?

I can remember all of the ones I mentioned going 60 - 70 yards from a break (as opposed to an interception) against top opposition - can you honestly remember Vasey or anybody else doing that for us ?

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I can remember all of the ones I mentioned going 60 - 70 yards from a break (as opposed to an interception) against top opposition - can you honestly remember Vasey or anybody else doing that for us ?

Maybe not, but you mentioned only four which, spread across your aeons of watching means that every other team has been found wanting too!

:D :D

Seriously, other than the occasional speedy wingman, our team has rarely featured any fast players has it?

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Maybe not, but you mentioned only four which, spread across your aeons of watching means that every other team has been found wanting too!

:D :D

Seriously, other than the occasional speedy wingman, our team has rarely featured any fast players has it?

Marquis Charles was a centre and he was quick

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Maybe not, but you mentioned only four which, spread across your aeons of watching means that every other team has been found wanting too!

:D :D

Seriously, other than the occasional speedy wingman, our team has rarely featured any fast players has it?

True - apart from malcolm agar, ernie lowe and marquis.

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Davide Longo was quick too.

Longo was quick - for a dewsbury stand off as was a new zealander called Vincent - but not VERY quick.

Bit unfair to compare against four of the all-time greats.

Doen't mean it's any less of a fact though - we never have done quick. Quickest stand off I ever saw was Ian brooke when he played at wakey - could play stand off or centre and had serious wheels. Think when he moved to bradford he only played at centre.

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dont worry people,when the young uns get settled in.The pace will be there.

Maybe not, but you mentioned only four which, spread across your aeons of watching means that every other team has been found wanting too!

:D :D

Seriously, other than the occasional speedy wingman, our team has rarely featured any fast players has it?

So talking of wingmen, how did morton measure up on boxing day ? - would have been a test I would have thought, given the pace of batley's backs

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True - apart from malcolm agar, ernie lowe and marquis.

Andrew Ramsden had a fair turn of pace, John Hegarty was quite nippy and Johnny Moore could go from one touchline to the other faster than any other wing man I've seen.

Wasn't that Rombo fellow fairly pacey too?

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Dennis Bailey was pretty quick as well, Greg Ashcroft and Jeff Yoward were pretty fast

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Bak on to 3/4s Ashcroft fastest man ever to put a Dewsbury shirt on.Terry day could run abit.What about Billy Pickup.

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Bak on to 3/4s Ashcroft fastest man ever to put a Dewsbury shirt on.Terry day could run abit. What about Billy Pickup.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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......the word pace has no association whatsoever with Jymel Coleman

We'll have to find out, maybe Morrison has put Coleman on some sort of training programme? If anyone can tell me different then I'll accept all answers

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Maybe not, but you mentioned only four which, spread across your aeons of watching means that every other team has been found wanting too!

:D :D

Seriously, other than the occasional speedy wingman, our team has rarely featured any fast players has it?

Franny apart we have struggled with the number 6 position for years. It wouldn't be too bad if it wasn't for the fact that Batley haven't. We should have picked up Handforth a few years ago, but our friends across the valley got there first. Jy Mel might be the one, but not based on what I saw on Boxing Day. I know there aren't that many out there, but it sucks that we persistently struggle.

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We'll have to find out, maybe Morrison has put Coleman on some sort of training programme? If anyone can tell me different then I'll accept all answers

I think pace is the one attribute in the game that cannot be taught. Coleman is undoubtedly a fine player. I have always thought this from the first time I saw him, and have seen nothing to change my mind since. However, he does not have natural pace, and I suspect never will have, rather making up for this with speed of thought.

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Franny apart we have struggled with the number 6 position for years. It wouldn't be too bad if it wasn't for the fact that Batley haven't. We should have picked up Handforth a few years ago, but our friends across the valley got there first. Jy Mel might be the one, but not based on what I saw on Boxing Day. I know there aren't that many out there, but it sucks that we persistently struggle.

Before Handforth turned up, we struggled a bit for a stand-off. In fact the last decent one was Mark Barlow, who for a short while was outstanding in tandem with Paul Mennell when he first arrived.

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Dennis Bailey was pretty quick as well, Greg Ashcroft and Jeff Yoward were pretty fast

Always thought Dennis could have been really quick but he never seemed to have the same belief and confidence in himself that Eddie Rombo had.If Dennis made a break he would spend half the time looking over his shoulder to see where the opposition were when he could have been long gone.

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Andrew Ramsden had a fair turn of pace, John Hegarty was quite nippy and Johnny Moore could go from one touchline to the other faster than any other wing man I've seen.

Wasn't that Rombo fellow fairly pacey too?

Aye, and mitta, arrowsmith, bramald and james craven, and I remember a prop in the sixties called coates who could shift a bit for a beer monster as well, but they weren't halfbacks - which leaves my original observation undented. Incidentally, nobody has told me how fast morton looked yet. :O

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Incidentally, nobody has told me how fast morton looked yet. :O

maybe no one knew who he was. was he wearing white ?

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