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Way off topic, but somebody mentioned that Horwich was not in Bolton. That brought back very poignant memories of the Jack Robinson proposal to build a new stadium at Horwich, after CP was knocked down. I recall standing on my feet at the shareholders' meeting shouting "Horwich is in Bolton". Who knows - had I done my research then, the course of Wigan's history could have been changed.

Incidentally, if I were a betting man, I would put my money on there being a deal done and this working out very well indeed for Salford.

Be great to see the Red Devils with money behind them. Sign Fielding's son tomorrow!

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I'd be happy seeing the Red Devil brought babk

Wasn't the 'Red Devil' trade mark, famously sold to United a few years back, with Salford then becoming the 'Reds'? Or is this one of those urban myths?

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Good players often become available over the course of a season, though. There are some great players in the championships who can be bought, it is eminently possible to put together a good side within 12 months, spending up to the cap and willing to pay transfer fees when, sadly, a fair few clubs can't afford to pay that much.

Holdsworth and Moon became available and went up to two of the top six clubs, Hull and Leeds

I'm hard pressed to think of many great players who suddenly become available, and yes they can be levered with a transfer fee, but again that's the sort of thing Warrington and Wigan can and do do.

I'm hard pressed to think of any good side that's been put together in 12 months? At very short notice Nobby built a Crusaders and Agar built a Trinity both of whom made the play offs. Were these good sides? Or were they poor sides who simply did better than their equivalents scrubbing around outside the top half of the table.

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Ooh Matron!!!! Pass me the pills Nurse - Just hope it wont end in tears :-

ex St. Helens Star

A MILLIONAIRE racehorse owner based in Rainford who is in advanced talks to save the ailing Salford City Reds rugby league club has set out his ambitions to the St Helens Star.

In an exclusive interview, Dr Marwan Koukash, owner of global executive training company EuroMaTech, said he hopes a deal to take ownership of Salford can be struck within days.

He told the Star: “My interest is very strong. There is still a lot of ongoing talks and agreements to be made.

“(However) Discussions are at an advanced stage for me to take over at the club.

“My aim is to become the owner. My plan is not just to save Salford but to turn it around, make it a competitive team – which is capable of winning trophies. Otherwise I would not be interested.

“I came back early from Dubai to hold face to face discussions and I am quite hopeful a deal can be done.

“I have a strategy for the club that will strengthen it and make it compete at the highest level and from a financial point of view to find ways of generating more outside income.

“I reiterate the most important thing is to save the club and to lead it into a financial position where it can compete at the highest level.”

On Monday, Dr Koukash attended a meeting with development company Peel Holdings and Salford Council, the joint landlords of the Salford City Stadium, who are both keen to keep the ailing Super League club afloat.

Dr Koukash has already enlisted former New Zealand rugby league chief Andrew Chalmers to scour the sport to find leading lights on and off the field for the City Reds.

He added: “We would not be finishing in bottom three like last year.”

However, it is understood there would be no desire to change the coaching set up, which is led by former Saints players Phil Veivers and Sean Long.

Dr Koukash, 54, has strong links to St Helens, and is reported to have enjoyed a ‘rags to riches’ story having come from the Middle East in 1977 to studying A-levels at St Helens Technical College, living in the Sherdley Park area.

He went on to further his studies in Liverpool, but retained a base in St Helens and later moved to Rainford with his wife Mandy and their children.

His horses achieved more than 100 victories in 2012.

He was a guest of the Saints owner Eamonn McManus at a Super League fixture last season and his family support the St Helens club.

Dr Koukash, who has also enjoyed success in property development, added: “I have watched St Helens in the past, they are my local team but I doubted I would ever own it as it is in safe hands and the people who own the club thoroughly enjoy it.

“The last time I saw a rugby match the atmosphere was great. Give me the choice of attending a rugby or a football match and I would choose rugby.

“Football could learn a lot from rugby.”

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As for work in the community, Salford are doing some great work in Trafford with the schools and have also gone into a number of high schools in Manchester, this for me is the area that money will make a difference.

There is a Cas fan that teaches in Manchester and he speaks highly of the support he received from the Reds. They have also gone into the Children's hospital at Christmas.

We should make more of the Original Red Devils tag.

The Reds is a long term investment which can reap great rewards for both RL and Salford as a club but it needs new blood and a modern approach.

Always a pleasure to read you well balanced posts.

I remember the 60's rise of City and United and it was the case not a lot of RL was being played in Salford, and fans interest was low. Along came Snape with money and they became one of the best supported sides in the Rugby League. Simples.

I saw New Hunslet at the Willows chasing the shadows of Maurice Richards, Keith Fielding, Paul Charlton, Mike Coulman and the great David Watkins. In 1974 Salford as League champions went out to Bradford in the play off who snatched a draw at the Willows before over 10,000 fans when half that was a good crowd at Leeds. 10,000 fans were at the willows 38 years later to see the old ground off.

The replay was one of my greatest memories, Salford and Watkins were again electric in the backs but Bardford ground them down and Hunslet lad Bill Ramsey saw them off up front, he was chaired off all the way up those long long steps that used to go up to the changing rooms.

Wilkinson never properly replaced Snape and perhaps only his money prevented the club going the way of Broughton, Swinton, Rochdale or Oldham. But they are still here, and still a Superleague club.

So what does the next man do? He can't do a Snape as he can't buy up Union players, there's no quality RL players to buy, Salford don't produce them in much number? So is it a case of just preserving a grand old club with a grand old name and a grand old history with grand old achievements albeit two generations ago.

Because that's all most people in our game seem to have the appetite for - preserving the past.

I see no more Mileage in "Manchester" than "RED Devils" however maybe if the club call themselves manchester united Red Devils RLFC that will attract a few new sops to come along and see what the fuss is about. however if they see Salford lose by 44 to Catalans again they too may not come a second time.

This racehorse magnet can do as he pleases, but if I had millions (this is where we need a fantasy RL forum so stuff like this can go on there) I'd want to at least embrace the whole of Salford AND Manchester INCLUDING Oldham, Swinton and Rochdale and work towards supplying this massive conurbation with it's own Superleague club to be proud of, and in doing so put back down some co-ordinated roots for our game across the piece - even into the areas RL has "never gone before".

Salford in reality are little bigger in infrastructure than Oldham or Swinton or Broughton or Rochdale, only money preserves them from going the same way. Money merely postpones the inevitable. Unless they embrace your idea that "Salford as a club needs a modern approach". Absolutely.

However I bet my modern approach would go further than yours and may favour working towards the future and new fans and new players from a vastly bigger area, rather than looking back and pleasing the old guard, who simply don't want their Salford to die.

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Brilliant news. Not just the cash but this sounds like a guy who knows and loves the sport and it sounds a perfect fit for him as well as the club.

Great to hear that Veivers and Long may finally get some well deserved good news. Veivers in particular strikes me as an impressive fella.

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And to those who say that expansion needs to be "grass roots up", can we not envisage a scenario where a similar investor gives the same gushing commentary about a start-up SL franchise in an entirely new area? "I never dreamed I would one day be owning a Super League team in Birmingham/Bristol/Edinburgh/wherever but I'm excited and determined to make this work" etc. I maintain that this sport sells itself and all we need to do is be modern in our approach for similar investors to attach themselves to SL clubs, whether existing or otherwise. Give them a franchise in a strong non-saturated area and they will come.

Magnates like their sport team playthings. Most don't even expect to make a return, all they want is for their toys to be fully functional and shiny and as competitive as the next magnate's. Make it happen, RFL.

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I'm hard pressed to think of any good side that's been put together in 12 months? At very short notice Nobby built a Crusaders and Agar built a Trinity both of whom made the play offs. Were these good sides? Or were they poor sides who simply did better than their equivalents scrubbing around outside the top half of the table.

I think that's a little on the mean side. They were obviously teams well coached and motivated who made it to the top half of the table. Nothing wrong with that and in the case of Wakey it brought the fans back and gave Agar a base for 2013. This year will be the proof of the pudding.

I'm very encouraged by the report in the paper on the takeover. Horse breeding is a game you do simply for the love of producing a winner, never to make money. If he goes about it in the ight way and recruits good people as he seems to want to do then Salford may rise again. I hope he has good connections, or develops them, at the BBC down the road. That will be invaluable.

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This racehorse magnet can do as he pleases, but if I had millions (this is where we need a fantasy RL forum so stuff like this can go on there) I'd want to at least embrace the whole of Salford AND Manchester INCLUDING Oldham, Swinton and Rochdale and work towards supplying this massive conurbation with it's own Superleague club to be proud of, and in doing so put back down some co-ordinated roots for our game across the piece - even into the areas RL has "never gone before".

Agreed and it sounds to me that this is exactly his plan Parky. And could even the staunchest Salfordian deny him the right to a little rebranding and refocus at this stage of the game? Sounds to me that this may well be what he has in mind but we'll see.

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Gateshead were put together in no time. The ability to pay transfer fees is the key point here - would Hughes say no to a cheque for Sarginson, would Cas say no to a cheque for Clark? Wigan may be prepared to sell Hock, the NRL will still have surplus talent. The Championship has some real gems... Plus loan signings. It's not impossible. Not easy, but not impossible.

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Ooh Matron!!!! Pass me the pills Nurse - Just hope it wont end in tears :-

Can't see why it should end in tears. From reading the artcle it looks as though he knows what he is doing and has looked into things.

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Chris you haven't been a Salford fan we always expect it to go wrong and Segovia & I are like minded there.

Looking at that interview fills me with hope, the fact he already had Chalmers looking in OX and NZ for the best people to assist the club in rebuilding is the single best news I've heard in years. I expect Simms will go, and a new breed of CEO will rebuild the club to face the future.

Rebuilding the team can wait, Salford fans will have to learn everything won't happen at once but if the backroom is showing the improvement then the on field will follow.

Just wish the deal was concluded and the future can start. The future will be Red.

Then I wake up, the deal goes South and come Feb the WUO is made.

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Can't see why it should end in tears. From reading the artcle it looks as though he knows what he is doing and has looked into things.

I'm not too exstatic about getting old but it beats the alternative. Beggars can't be choosers. Never look a gift horse in the mouth ect etc. Salford have two choices, it seems to me, get the money and have a future, whatever pitfalls there might be down the road, or DIE.

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I see no more Mileage in "Manchester" than "RED Devils" however maybe if the club call themselves manchester united Red Devils RLFC that will attract a few new sops to come along and see what the fuss is about. however if they see Salford lose by 44 to Catalans again they too may not come a second time.

Oh dear, now we're pulling out that other favoured old chestnut: Manchester United RLFC!

Anyone remember how long United's basketball team lasted? Or how many supporters were drawn to the women's football team before they pulled it?

Come to think of it, didn't Paris St.Germaine have a Super League team at one point? I'm guessing that was a rip-roaring success too.

Why don't St Helens rebrand to Liverpool too? Maybe Paul McCartney might come to games. You'd expect the gates to be tripled either way!

My only very minor reservation about tearing up Salford's 139-year history and adopting the same name as the local football club, what about those of us who choose to support the club because it does represent our home city? What about those people who don't follow Man Utd? Will there also be a Man City RLFC? Will Man Utd mind us using their brand? Will it not confuse any potential fans*?

**Oops! Silly me! I forgot about that other rollicking success story Quins RL! Silly old me!

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Gateshead were put together in no time. The ability to pay transfer fees is the key point here - would Hughes say no to a cheque for Sarginson, would Cas say no to a cheque for Clark? Wigan may be prepared to sell Hock, the NRL will still have surplus talent. The Championship has some real gems... Plus loan signings. It's not impossible. Not easy, but not impossible.

Guilty for being "a little on the mean side", agreed - "not easy but not impossible".

It may however be genuinely impossible to break into the top six.

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I maintain that this sport sells itself and all we need to do is be modern in our approach for similar investors to attach themselves to SL clubs, whether existing or otherwise.

I'd respectfully suggest that pretty much all the recent evidence suggests that theory isn't remotely accurate.

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Oh dear, now we're pulling out that other favoured old chestnut: Manchester United RLFC!

Only in the context of countering the argument rebranding works, and only in the context I disagree as much as you do, did you not read my post and equally negative view of such nonsense??

If your not going to read my posts properly then I won't read your column in the league express next week. In fact I have cancelled the subscription already. ;)

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Sounds to me that he doesn't really know a great deal about RL, but that he see's the potential in Salford. A club that can be purchased relatively cheap, and with some smart leadership and investment, reaps some financial benefits for the owner and help push the club forward. The fact that the guy is into Dubai in a business sense could be big for Salford and RL in general.

Its all starting to sound quite positive, and i hope it comes off for Salford.

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Only in the context of countering the argument rebranding works, and only in the context I disagree as much as you do, did you not read my post and equally negative view of such nonsense??

If your not going to read my posts properly then I won't read your column in the league express next week. In fact I have cancelled the subscription already. ;)

Sorry, busy at work so have to skim read the longer posts!

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My only very minor reservation about tearing up Salford's 139-year history and adopting the same name as the local football club, what about those of us who choose to support the club because it does represent our home city? What about those people who don't follow Man Utd? Will there also be a Man City RLFC? Will Man Utd mind us using their brand? Will it not confuse any potential fans*?

Maybe there just aren’t enough of you?

Did you form the Salford club? Were you present when it was? Why does the sport owe you (or anyone) anything more than a Super League team within reasonable travelling distance?

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So let's just be clear about what you're saying:

* there aren't enough fans or potential fans in Salford (population circa 230,000)

* It's impossible to get anyone from outside the city to Support Salford.

* if the club changes its name to Manchester fans will be clamouring to support them, even though they didn't follow other unfamiliar sports like Basketball etc.

* The club can afford to write off the majority of its 5000+ existing core supporters because you have a 'hunch' that there are more people out there just waiting to support a club called 'Manchester.'

Is that about the top and bottom of it?

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Cracking post on the Good Doctors Facebook page :-

Ben Williamson

If you buy Salford, I will give you my wife for half an hour,my dog and a pair of Tex Evans tie ups!!

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

:lol:

:lol:

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Cracking post on the Good Doctors Facebook page :-

Ben Williamson

If you buy Salford, I will give you my wife for half an hour,my dog and a pair of Tex Evans tie ups!!

:D

The article posted earlier (where was it from?) certainly gave cause for optimism.

All the good stuff on Salford has already been said by Gingerjon, Red Willow and Amber Avenger.

I never lived in Salford, living in south Manchester (yuppie turf, full of people like Severus and Amber Avenger) for five years. The appetite for RL was never there - people were more likely to pledge allegiance to Arsenal than know what rugby league was.

While Salford may not have a city centre as such, it has a strong identity and Salfordians consider themselves as such. I worked with many, brilliant folk. Salford hav alwys reminded me of Warrington in the 90s and early 00s: everyone knows who they are and where they play, but they carry a 'losers' tag which attracts a knowing 'tut' even from those who should be their target support. A decent Salford side who made a cup final or went on a decent run would suddenly unearth a tonne of supporters who hadn't been near the Willows for donkey's years. Just like Warrington did in 2009.

The MAnchester idea is daft and always has been. I like DeadShotKeen, he posts with his heart and a lot of what he says is true. But often he reaches the wrong conclusion, and that is the case here. If anything, the best thing for Salford would be for a REAL Manchester club to exist as a competitor and stoke some local rivalry. I think Salford fans would say that local interest was higher when you had the likes of Swinton and Oldham near the top of the game. Salford have craved a derby for ages, and for a few years have treated Warrington as such. I'm sure Red Willow would say some of the best games in recent years for Solly have been turning us over, there was always a great atmosphere for those games.

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Cracking post on the Good Doctors Facebook page :-

Ben Williamson

If you buy Salford, I will give you my wife for half an hour,my dog and a pair of Tex Evans tie ups!!

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

:lol:

:lol:

That will probably flush out a few more investors, if I had the money I'd certainly be interested, what type of dog is it

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Rebranding? What a waste of time and money!

However, if Dr Koukash provides the money to make Salford successful, he can change their name to anything he wants and I wouldn't mind.

There is one exception, however. If he were to choose the Manchester United RLFC name, I would walk away! As a lifelong City fan, I just couldn't bring myself to cheer for a team called United. I would choke on the very sound of it. :)

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