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Statement from RFL Chief Executive Nigel Wood

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I love Rugby League at many levels. But as usual, the spin coming from the RFL does nothing for me. I dont think the RFL have a clue and will just agree with the SL clubs instead of the game.Wood and Rimmer are clueless and have no leadership qualities to push the game forward. Wood has not addressed what his plans are or how he and the game will address the problems in the game. I want to know the following

What the RFL intend to do to improve standards both on and off the field in SL and the Championship?

What is the RFL planning to do so that we dont see further SL clubs announce massive money problems?

What is the RFL planning to do, to keep helping the Development of the game at amateur level especially in NE England, Midlands etc?

What is the RFLs plan regarding academy both at SL and Championship level?

How does he and the RFL intend to bring closer the various factions in the game?

I cant see anywhere in this statement or elsewhere that Wood, Rimmer and RFL have any idea on what to do and instead just agree with short term thinking of clubs. I am not alone in thinking Wood and Rimmer are the wrong people to lead our game and I cant see the various problems in the game getting any better. I think the many championship fans that refuse to watch the WC or SL have a problem with the administration of the game not the game itself. I know a number of Championship fans who follow Fev, Fax etc who follow the amateur game or involved in it. I know many amateur players and fans who dont attend ANY pro game what so ever. People like JohnM who call a number of Fev fans, non RL fans is typical of his arrogant attitude and belief the RFL and SL is so great. People have major issues with the RFL and how it does things. The RFL have driven a wedge between certain factions in the game. Instead of trying to mock or make fun of people JohnM and others including the RFL should be looking at why these people think this way and accept/understand why they feel this way.

I must admit that i wonder if the RFL have any strategic plan for where they would like to take the game. They just seem to react to everything as it comes up, flying by the seat of their pants. There are signs of planning like the expansion of CC1 and the regorganisation of the CC and the amateur game going mostly to a summer based competition, but then is this all joined up thinking. Is there any linkage with SL and it s problems and are they or are they not planning on reducing the size of the super league and what is the future of licencing?

It may be all part of a plan and vision for the future of the game but who knows. It would be good if they released a statement of where they see the game going. The fans would like to think there is some the leadership at the top with some idea of what they want for the gameand how they are going to get there.

Is Woods a direct replacement for Lewis or is there still a search going on for a new leader to replace Richard Lewis and, if so, how long is it going to take before he/she is appointed.

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And to you and yours. It occurs to me that if England do win the World Cup, then there won't be many members of this forum around - most of them wil have died of apoplexy :D

Any dying I do if England win the WC will be from drowning in tears of joy. I don t see how refusing to watch say, Italy, play at Halifax, a CC ground, in the WC shows upport for Fev and disgust with the RFL.

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Although technically possible, P&R can work in Football due to money distribution throughout the game due to huge amounts of money in all walks of the game, it wouldn't happen, as as soon as they reached the League 2 or League 1 their ground would not be big enough to be promoted up a tier, plus they more than likely would not be able to gain enough investment to buy in the players to win League 1 or even League 2, unless they have a sugar daddy to pay for them to buy players to get promotion to League 1.

When will RL fans realise that until their is money in RL it is not possible to have P&R between Tier 1 & Tier 2 in RL. If SL lowered the salary cap, to redistribute the money in RL in the UK, then the best RL players in the UK/France would move over to RU or the NRL en masse. Plus if say Sheffield had been 'promoted' in 2013, where would the money have came from for them to buy and pay full-time professional Rugby players?

If SL clubs dont take some cost cutting measures, That league is going to collapse. How many teams need to be in deep trouble before it becomes apparent the present level of wages and salary cap is not capable of being sustained.

If some players are lost to the game, then so be it, better than losing the whole game.

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Okay then, what about Sheffield then? How would they NOT go Bankrupt? Where would there hundreds of thousands to survive come from?...

What was the revenue of Fleetwood Town & York City in 2011 compared to Charton Athletic & Sheffield Wednesday?...

Sheffield might refuse any promotion because they didn t have enough money. On the other hand, on the money they do have, how did they win the championship and make a profit, all from a point of extinction some few short years ago. They seem to be a very very well run club and, if they set their mind to it, it wouldn t surpise me if they came up with a strategy to make it work for them.

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I coach at junior level these days, i have some great lads in my team who are tremendous players who may never get the step up to the top flight because of our pro clubs fascination with all things antipodean.

I thought numbers were dropping anyway as there's more money in Aus now?

The Leeds junior sides are full of English players?

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At the end of the day we have less than a handful of Championship clubs with aspirations to join SL. The rest have happily partnered with SL clubs and appear to be content with an existence of mediocrity, fair play to them if that's what they want. So how do we accommodate this small number of clubs which want to progress? That's what I'd like to see NW have on his agenda.

Put the salary cap down as far as possible (couple of hundred grand), extend SL to 16 clubs such that most who want to be in are in go back to P & R so the one or two left can be promoted, but rejoice in a Superleague which has the two tiers in one. Top eight fight for the Superleage Trophy, bottom eight fight for survival.

Keighley and I suggested it weeks ago but all people wanted to do was continue moaning and swearing at each other.

So there we are there's how it can be done. Not sure of the downsides though. Up for discussion but don't hold your breath Terry.....

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I must admit that i wonder if the RFL have any strategic plan for where they would like to take the game.

There's a big review going on have you forgotten that?

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If SL clubs dont take some cost cutting measures.

They have with the academy set up and new managers at Wakefield and Bradford are sorting out finances, HKR have reduced their spend and Cas and Salford will too. Salary cap remains frozen, less Aussies are coming over.

You talk as if SL chairmen are still running round raining cheques to everyone.

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Sheffield might refuse any promotion because they didn t have enough money. On the other hand, on the money they do have, how did they win the championship and make a profit it wouldn t surpise me if they came up with a strategy to make SL work for them.

Clearly they won the championship because they can compete with clubs on less then £1m turnover and a cap of £300K

It would shock me if they came up with a strategy to turn over £6M like Catalans and pay a cap of £1.65M

You ask me to be optimistic, I ask you to get real.

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The RFL is often reactionary and spends to much time firefighting. It is hamstrung that some of it's longer term plans tend to get shot down or disrupted by others (International program, reduction in overseas players, etc).

Being skint it also can't look a gift horse in the mouth, the money for development officers was only guaranteed in the short term but we couldn't refuse. It then leaves us in a mess when money is reduced, RU took the reduction on the chin and employs 100's of development officers.

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Because Championship 1 has a structure excluding most of the best teams outside of the Championship?

That's because those clubs have chosen not to be part of a true pyramid, and hence excluded themselves. This dates back 40+ years, when the RFL was a truly bad and divisive organisation.

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i coach at junior level these days, i have some great lads in my team who are tremendous players to boot, i am sick and tired of contacting the local pro clubs to come and have look at these lads, one is so good he reminds me of a young version of vinty karalius. luckily he has been picked up by widnes

You're complaining even though he's been picked?

there are many lads i see week in week out playing for various teams who may never get the step up to the top flight because of our pro clubs fascination with all things antipodean. it is about time the rfl dropped the quota for all non genuine eu players to 1 per team to improve the stock of young british (and french) players in our pro game.......

Go on then, explain that one!

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Hard to see where Wood's optimism comes from. 2013 is on course to be one of the most disastrous in its history.

A pie in the sky World Cup promising to be at least as farcical as 2000 - games in empty stadiums in Bristol, etc, an England team packed with Aussies (lets not start on Ireland and the like). Like many others on here I shall not be purchasing tickets and it will be the first time I've missed a tournament here since 1990.

On top of this is a Championship One with teams which will struggle to fulfil fixtures and see poor old Oldham and Rochdale cast adrift. Another pointless Championship season watched by fans feeling ostracised from the rest of the sport, and SL sucking up what's left of the game's dwindling resources to float along in its own little bubble. Plenty of fuel for the critics. But, hey, what the hell, we're RL fans - let's talk it up!

Er, no.

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Put the salary cap down as far as possible (couple of hundred grand), extend SL to 16 clubs such that most who want to be in are in go back to P & R so the one or two left can be promoted, but rejoice in a Superleague which has the two tiers in one. Top eight fight for the Superleage Trophy, bottom eight fight for survival.

Keighley and I suggested it weeks ago but all people wanted to do was continue moaning and swearing at each other.

So there we are there's how it can be done. Not sure of the downsides though. Up for discussion but don't hold your breath Terry.....

Right, four less teams in SL1 releases £5.2m sky money

20 CC clubs currently receiving £100k releases £2m

Total available = £7.2m

Divide £7.2m between 10 clubs in SL2 = £720k per annum per club

Im assuming the CC clubs which have paired up with SL clubs will be financially assisted in part by the SL club and the extra £120k which is allocated annually on top of their £1.3m per year.

I suggested this about four years ago before John Kear or anyone else did. Would this be a reasonable starting point or have I got my sums wrong? Please feel free to pull it apart and find as many holes in it as you can. At least it might lead to a constructive debate and maybe a feasible solution if one exists.

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Disagree, the sport is Rugby League. The contest should be the the game and not how well you can kiss the RFLs but.

It's never just the game on the field, is it ? Even the lowliest of competitions has minimum standards that clubs have to met to compete in them.

Sharlston play in the Challenge Cup but not at t'Back o't'Wall.

I like the World Cup. I like seeing my clubs players play in it. I'll be going to as many games as I can.

I don't see what connection the World Cup has with p+r beyond stamping your foot and saying "Shan't!!".

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Sheffield might refuse any promotion because they didn t have enough money. On the other hand, on the money they do have, how did they win the championship and make a profit, all from a point of extinction some few short years ago. They seem to be a very very well run club and, if they set their mind to it, it wouldn t surpise me if they came up with a strategy to make it work for them.

They've got a strategy and their aim is to make it in to SL at some point. From what I hear things are looking good on a number of fronts.

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If SL clubs dont take some cost cutting measures, That league is going to collapse. How many teams need to be in deep trouble before it becomes apparent the present level of wages and salary cap is not capable of being sustained.

If some players are lost to the game, then so be it, better than losing the whole game.

They have done this with the youth restructuring, yet they got lambasted for this.

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Some Championship clubs get a bit more than others in 'Development support' for example how many 'Development Officers' also play for Sheffield? and how much money does Sheffield receive from the central funds directly or ortherwise?.

The connection the world cup has got with disillusioned fans is patently obvious, wasn't there an old saying that goes something like 'you can't truly hate something unless you have previously loved it'

I will be attending 3/4 games and haven't bought tickets yet, but as of now it doesn't excite me like 95 did and I am going in spite of the sheeeite that comes from the top.

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They have done this with the youth restructuring, yet they got lambasted for this.

This is the problem, we are not letting the laws of nature take place and are setting budgets based upon mediocrity. If you can't operate to a minimum cap and sustain/grow the player pool - what the fcuk are you doing in a SUPER league.

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Right, four less teams in SL1 releases £5.2m sky money

20 CC clubs currently receiving £100k releases £2m

Total available = £7.2m

Divide £7.2m between 10 clubs in SL2 = £720k per annum per club

Im assuming the CC clubs which have paired up with SL clubs will be financially assisted in part by the SL club and the extra £120k which is allocated annually on top of their £1.3m per year.

I suggested this about four years ago before John Kear or anyone else did. Would this be a reasonable starting point or have I got my sums wrong? Please feel free to pull it apart and find as many holes in it as you can. At least it might lead to a constructive debate and maybe a feasible solution if one exists.

The "two SL divisions of 10 with automatic promotion and relegation between them" makes some sense. If the RFL could find a few more CC1 clubs, four divisions of 10 would make a lot of sense - P&R between all of them. Money distributed more fairly between SL1 and SL2.

Lots of club Chairmen in the bottom half of SL and top half of the Championship are keen on this. I suspect the top clubs (Leeds, Wigan, Wire, Saints etc) would also be keen on this. Teams from SL2 may only ever have one season in the top flight, or 'yo-yo' like some football clubs, but it would appease those who want fairness/promotion and relegation, and allow Fev, Fax, Sheffield (or whoever) to get their wish of playing in the top flight. If SL1 teams get into financial problems, they could be automatically relegated and rebuild in SL2.

At present the SL competition isn't as competitive as it should be. Two divisions of 10 may be more competitive, especially if current Championship clubs get a bit more cash.

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Hard to see where Wood's optimism comes from. 2013 is on course to be one of the most disastrous in its history.

A pie in the sky World Cup promising to be at least as farcical as 2000 - games in empty stadiums in Bristol, etc, an England team packed with Aussies (lets not start on Ireland and the like). Like many others on here I shall not be purchasing tickets and it will be the first time I've missed a tournament here since 1990.

But, hey, what the hell, we're RL fans - let's talk it up!

I for one am glad you aren't going, I'd hate to be stuck next to you at the many games that I will be attending.

Your last line is truly laughable!

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Some Championship clubs get a bit more than others in 'Development support' for example how many 'Development Officers' also play for Sheffield? and how much money does Sheffield receive from the central funds directly or ortherwise?.

Not as much as you think. Andrew Henderson and Mitch Stringer are coaches for the Eagles, but I think only the latter is part funded by the RFL. The Eagles have a good development programme, but they pay for it themselves largely, sometimes with grants etc. There are development staff in the Midlands - I think - also part funded by the Eagles.

Many clubs use "development coach" roles to pay for players - look at Keighley with Sam Obst etc. Singling out Sheffield is a bit harsh, and certainly unfair. Besides, any money Sheffield get for development, schools coaches etc is actually spent on that.

Remember, Fev and Sheffield are the only Championship clubs running academy sides. They find money to do that themselves, as they get no support (unlike SL clubs) to do it from the RFL.

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It's never just the game on the field, is it ? Even the lowliest of competitions has minimum standards that clubs have to met to compete in them.

Sharlston play in the Challenge Cup but not at t'Back o't'Wall.

I like the World Cup. I like seeing my clubs players play in it. I'll be going to as many games as I can.

I don't see what connection the World Cup has with p+r beyond stamping your foot and saying "Shan't!!".

and thats fair enough Richie. Enjoy the competition.

I indeed am stamping my foot and registrring my disquiet.

I am thst naffed off with the game I want nowt to do with any aspect of it beyond my club and the cc. Thats the connrction.

Im sure the world, rugby league, the world cup and SL will get on fine without me.

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They've got a strategy and their aim is to make it in to SL at some point. From what I hear things are looking good on a number of fronts.

Things look good on a number of fronts for Featherstone WCE but unfortunately you always end up having to win the war on the financial front. I'll probably post this another hundred times, but the gap is clear. Championship clubs turnover around £1M and top SL clubs like Les catalans turn over £6M. It's a £5M gap £1.2M from SKY and a couple of thousand more fans can't close.

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The "two SL divisions of 10 with automatic promotion and relegation between them" makes some sense. Money distributed more fairly between SL1 and SL2.

Lots of club Chairmen in the bottom half of SL and top half of the Championship are keen on this. I suspect the top clubs (Leeds, Wigan, Wire, Saints etc) would also be keen on this. Teams from SL2 may only ever have one season in the top flight, or 'yo-yo' like some football clubs, but it would appease those who want fairness/promotion and relegation, and allow Fev, Fax, Sheffield (or whoever) to get their wish of playing in the top flight.

At present the SL competition isn't as competitive as it should be. Two divisions of 10 may be more competitive, especially if current Championship clubs get a bit more cash.

The only way over the massive financial gap has been Mr. Sugar Daddy, thats a clear fact and so the answer lies in a financial restructure. On this two divisions of 10 the elephant in the room is the monetary distribution of SKY funds.

1. SKY have only ever shown interest in funding a top league.

2. Watering down the funding reduces the wages the top clubs can pay to keep the best players.

It may be a gross assumption that in a "two tier SL" (which it's not, the so called SL2 is a second division) the money will be distributed down into a second tier.

How on earth would clubs who don't want to be in Superleague like Batley justify receiving any funding from SKY??

What would SL2 clubs do with their money?? Inflate wages??

This option is fine by me - sounds great fun, but I can't equate Superleague greed to such extensive philanthropy?

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