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Surely this 'wastage' of which you speak, which I assume means lads who sign on for scholarship or academy programmes at pro clubs but then do not make the grade, is not really wastage at all. Maybe only three of a whole academy team make the grade, but the others have received the highest calibre of coaching and can on to play at whatever level suits them. Granted, some will drop out through disappointment at not having made the highest level, but deciding that it's not worth the expense is a dangerous path to go down.

Excuse me sir, but I think you'll find you're in the wrong discussion. ;)

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That's depressing too. Cheer me up and tell me things in the state schools in and around Leeds have changed for the better...

indeed most schools in leeds do play rugby league as both leeds and hunslet put a tremendus amount of time and effort going into schools coaching and giving lifestyle advise . even leeds grammar school noe play league and nobody in leeds would have imagined that even 10 years ago .

leeds put lots of effort into the primary schools in particular as you need to catch the kids at a young age they also guide them towards local junior clubs and indeed some new clubs have started up in areas such as north leeds because of the work been done in the schools in the area and leeds people will tell you north leeds was never a hotbed of junior rugby league in the past.

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Thanks for that link. I've made contact and hope soon to be enlightened!

that link only seems to show schools playing in the champions schools comp but there are other who have not entered it but do play the game also of course it only shows secondary schools not primary schools

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All I can say is that since 2008 there are more schools playing competitively in Derbyshire than there have ever been. It's going to be tough after the cuts but we hope, as a club, to keep the flag flying in the schools with or without a CRLC in place.

Same in Bury. A Bury school won through to qualify for Champion Schools last year; off back of that, we'll run U16 side next year. Cuts will hit, gotta work out a back up plan but we'll be trying...

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indeed most schools in leeds do play rugby league as both leeds and hunslet put a tremendus amount of time and effort going into schools coaching and giving lifestyle advise . even leeds grammar school noe play league and nobody in leeds would have imagined that even 10 years ago .

leeds put lots of effort into the primary schools in particular as you need to catch the kids at a young age they also guide them towards local junior clubs and indeed some new clubs have started up in areas such as north leeds because of the work been done in the schools in the area and leeds people will tell you north leeds was never a hotbed of junior rugby league in the past.

That's great and just the kind of thing I was hoping to hear. Are there schools that still won't have anything to do with rugby league? There has never been a better time for the Leeds club to do all that it can to encourage every school in the area to give the game a chance.

How about schools around Wakefield? The Grammar school is regularly featured in the Daily Mail for its rugby union exploits - is rugby league part of the curriculum?

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that link only seems to show schools playing in the champions schools comp but there are other who have not entered it but do play the game also of course it only shows secondary schools not primary schools

I've e-mailed one of the contacts listed for the latest number of schools that play "competitive rugby league" - I want to see just how big or small the gap is by comparison with the 1500 English state schools Will Greenwood contends play "competitive rugby union."

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I went to the secondary school in West Cumbria during the late seventies/early eighties and despite 5 years of asking never once got to play RL for the school, though there were plenty of RU fixtures. Thank god for the local Cumberland League junior set up.

I am glad to report the 3 Copeland schools now enter teams in the schools competition on a regular basis.

I can concur with that post.

Only union was allowed at secondary school (my years were 1975 - 80) despite RL being the dominant football code.

PE teacher played for Workington RU and hated the words Rugby League being spoken.

Netherhall School from fly the National Schools competition flag from Allerdale and have been to a couple of semi finals.

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I can concur with that post.

Only union was allowed at secondary school (my years were 1975 - 80) despite RL being the dominant football code.

PE teacher played for Workington RU and hated the words Rugby League being spoken.

Netherhall School from fly the National Schools competition flag from Allerdale and have been to a couple of semi finals.

Teachers like that with an agenda to promote RU were commonplace. It's a lack of awareness of the needs of their students and the importance of RL to their local communities by the head teachers and the local education authorities and their failure to take any action to impose these community values on teachers like that that perpetuated this Rugby apartheid for so long. Thank goodness it's slowly receding and the peoples game is now being played at the peoples schools especially in Cumbria, a faithful and passionate RL area since the birth of the sport.

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1,678 teams took part in The Carnegie Champion Schools tournament, which was an increase of 175 from the previous year. http://www.therfl.co...championschools

Broncos Champion Schools Competition http://www.londonbro...ion_schools.php

RL seems to be doing well in a 10 mile square in SW London/NW Surrey. I'm guessing about 10-20 schools. All the secondary schools in Kingston-upon-Thames http://www.kingstonssp.co.uk/?_id=586 now play RL. There's also RL in Elmbridge (i.e. Weybridge), Richmond and Feltham. Thomas Knyvett in Ashford Middx has taken it up this year - it's the sister school to Howard of Effingham, who won at Wembley.

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Teachers like that with an agenda to promote RU were commonplace. It's a lack of awareness of the needs of their students and the importance of RL to their local communities by the head teachers and the local education authorities and their failure to take any action to impose these community values on teachers like that that perpetuated this Rugby apartheid for so long. Thank goodness it's slowly receding and the peoples game is now being played at the peoples schools especially in Cumbria, a faithful and passionate RL area since the birth of the sport.

It was a bit more than promotion of RU actually, our head of PE would tell the pupils that they had to play for the school i.e. RU ahead of the local RL club and if the did not they would be banned from playing league, quoting some regulation that I don't remember anymore. I know ir's all lies now but at 11/12 its difficult tp believe a senior teacher would so blatently lie. Thankfully the RL club coach would always reassure that it didn't matter what anyone said he would still pick us if we wanted to play

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Thanks for that link. I've made contact and hope soon to be enlightened!

to give an example of why those lists dont include everyone...

In Bury we've run a Yr 7, a Yr 8 a Yr 9, and a Yr 10 comp each year of last two. usually get 6(ish) schools in each with say 4 from Bury and a couple of guests.

Winners of this play off against winners of similar groups in Bolton and in Rochdale or other areas.

Winners of that then qualify to Champion Schools and hence...appear in the list. So, where you see Philips High here: http://www.therfl.co.uk/more/championschools/fixturesearch?gender=Boys&id=421 they'd actually played a fair few matches to qualify. and in theory, all those knocked out in the preceding comps have been playing competitive RL.

locally, we've managed to get Philips and a couple of other schools playing each other home and away too. also had gilrs play and last year, Bury Grammer 6th form entered the national colleges cup - the first time that particular fee paying school had played RL.

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1,678 teams took part in The Carnegie Champion Schools tournament, which was an increase of 175 from the previous year. http://www.therfl.co...championschools

Broncos Champion Schools Competition http://www.londonbro...ion_schools.php

RL seems to be doing well in a 10 mile square in SW London/NW Surrey. All the secondary schools in Kingston-upon-Thames http://www.kingstonssp.co.uk/?_id=586 now play RL. There's also RL in Elmbridge (i.e. Weybridge), Richmond and Feltham. Thomas Knyvett in Ashford Middx is taking it up.

Great numbers, thanks for doing the research

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1,678 teams took part in The Carnegie Champion Schools tournament, which was an increase of 175 from the previous year. http://www.therfl.co...championschools

Broncos Champion Schools Competition http://www.londonbro...ion_schools.php

RL seems to be doing well in a 10 mile square in SW London/NW Surrey. All the secondary schools in Kingston-upon-Thames http://www.kingstonssp.co.uk/?_id=586 now play RL. There's also RL in Elmbridge (i.e. Weybridge), Richmond and Feltham. Thomas Knyvett in Ashford Middx is taking it up.

im not wanting to put a downer on this as i think its a great achivment but do those figures stand for schools/teams playing in regular schools leagues or just the carnigie schools comp .

fully understand that there has to be a starting point and leagues dont devlop overnight bu it would be interesting to know how far along they are

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1,678 teams took part in The Carnegie Champion Schools tournament, which was an increase of 175 from the previous year. http://www.therfl.co...championschools

Broncos Champion Schools Competition http://www.londonbro...ion_schools.php

RL seems to be doing well in a 10 mile square in SW London/NW Surrey. I'm guessing about 10-20 schools. All the secondary schools in Kingston-upon-Thames http://www.kingstonssp.co.uk/?_id=586 now play RL. There's also RL in Elmbridge (i.e. Weybridge), Richmond and Feltham. Thomas Knyvett in Ashford Middx has taken it up this year - it's the sister school to Howard of Effingham, who won at Wembly.

It's fantastic to read a sentence like "All the secondary schools in Kingston-upon-Thames now play RL."

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The figure was just for the Carnegie schools competition.

My son's school (in Surrey) does teach RL, but it's predominately a Union school (actually it's first and foremost a soccer school). They don't have a RL team as far as I am aware, but you can see with a bit of a push it could easily grow.

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It was a bit more than promotion of RU actually, our head of PE would tell the pupils that they had to play for the school i.e. RU ahead of the local RL club and if the did not they would be banned from playing league, quoting some regulation that I don't remember anymore. I know ir's all lies now but at 11/12 its difficult tp believe a senior teacher would so blatently lie. Thankfully the RL club coach would always reassure that it didn't matter what anyone said he would still pick us if we wanted to play

In Workington, (late 60's early 70's) I played union for the school (all we were allowed to play as PE teacher played for Netherhall ru,) union on Saturday afternoon for Workington Zebras and league on Sundays for Workington Boys club. When I was 16 I was taken to one side by the union coach (ooh er missus) and told that I had to decide which code I wanted to play as once I reached 17, if I continued to play league, I would be 'banned for life' from playing union. This was the norm then.

As for league in schools, down here at St Albans we had a very, very keen RL development coach. At one point he had senior schools in Potters Bar, Welwyn Garden City, Hatfield and St Albans all playing against each other in various age groups. Schools were contacting him to come along and teach their pupils. Then junior schools began getting in touch and asking for training and games. We could have done with three development officers. Unfortunately local union clubs didn't like this and they began offering their services at schools as well (well, rugby is rugby to someone not in the know). Now our development officer has retrurned to Aus in August last year, and we are waiting to see if we will be getting another one with all the cut backs etc. In the mean time, there is very little league now in senior schools after all the good ground work already done. The Dev Oficer from Hemel helped out after ours left but I believe covering both areas was just too much.

The good news is that we have a minis set up that is doing sterling work with junior schools children at the moment (all volunteers).

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1,678 teams took part in The Carnegie Champion Schools tournament, which was an increase of 175 from the previous year. http://www.therfl.co...championschools

Broncos Champion Schools Competition http://www.londonbro...ion_schools.php

RL seems to be doing well in a 10 mile square in SW London/NW Surrey. I'm guessing about 10-20 schools. All the secondary schools in Kingston-upon-Thames http://www.kingstonssp.co.uk/?_id=586 now play RL. There's also RL in Elmbridge (i.e. Weybridge), Richmond and Feltham. Thomas Knyvett in Ashford Middx has taken it up this year - it's the sister school to Howard of Effingham, who won at Wembley.

actually forgot about Richmond they're the only actual junior club in west London. There's more development in Surrey though

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The figure was just for the Carnegie schools competition.

My son's school (in Surrey) does teach RL, but it's predominately a Union school (actually it's first and foremost a soccer school). They don't have a RL team as far as I am aware, but you can see with a bit of a push it could easily grow.

From an old man's point of view, you have no idea how amazing a statement that is. As can be seen from other posts the game had difficulty being played in the schools in the North and a school in Surrey playing the game was in the realms of pure fantasy. No wonder the RU fought against the "free gangway" rulings tooth and nail. The relaxation of such and the end of the :"Rules as to professionalism:" led to such things as your son's school in Surrey playing RL. With any luck it will ultimately lead to our game overtaking their unattractive version of Rugby It was fear of our game and class warfare at it's worst.

The way things went on in the past in the RU v RL relationship was like the way the black population in the US was treated after the abolition of slavery. Yes, you are free, but don't dare to want to enter our schools and live in our neighbourhood and if you do we will make life very uncomfortable for you.

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From an old man's point of view, you have no idea how amazing a statement that is. As can be seen from other posts the game had difficulty being played in the schools in the North and a school in Surrey playing the game was in the realms of pure fantasy. No wonder the RU fought against the "free gangway" rulings tooth and nail. The relaxation of such and the end of the :"Rules as to professionalism:" led to such things as your son's school in Surrey playing RL. With any luck it will ultimately lead to our game overtaking their unattractive version of Rugby It was fear of our game and class warfare at it's worst. The way things went on in the past in the RU v RL relationship was like the way the black population in the US was treated after the abolition of slavery. Yes, you are free, but don't dare to want to enter our schools and live in our neighbourhood and if you do we will make life very uncomfortable for you.

Union still dominates in Surrey, and there are only handful of RL clubs outside of the schools. Staines Rugby Club (Union) shares with Staines Titans (League), but I'm not sure if all union clubs would be happy to share with a League club. The reason for the growth in Surrey has a lot to do with the Broncos. London Irish Rugby Union club also works in the area, from its original Sunbury base. I suspect League is even more attractive, in comparison to Union, for girls. The school figures are for both sexes, so the growth might not result in affecting Super League.

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Union still dominates in Surrey, and there are only handful of RL clubs outside of the schools. Staines Rugby Club (Union) shares with Staines Titans (League), but I'm not sure if all union clubs would be happy to share with a League club. The reason for the growth in Surrey has a lot to do with the Broncos. London Irish Rugby Union club also works in the area, from its original Sunbury base. I suspect League is even more attractive, in comparison to Union, for girls. The school figures are for both sexes, so the growth might not result in an effect on Super League.

Yes, I appreciate that RU is still the dominant code there but prior to the free gangway, it was not possible to have any significant RL presence due to the banning of most likely recruits from playing and their complete ostracisation from their friends and social strata if they did see the light.

From small acorns, huge oaks grow, and eventually all this will lead to RL being part of the culture down South as it is in the North and this should transalate to crowd growth for the Broncos. Your point on the girls game is very relevant. Not only do they grow up to have their own disposable income which could end up being spent on attending RL games but they also go on to become mothers, which could influence whether or not their children take up the game in the future. This point is also very relevant in the heartlands. Females are over 50% of the population and are a demographic we should be targeting.

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Excuse me sir, but I think you'll find you're in the wrong discussion. ;)

[stevo mode on] I've completely lost the plot [stevo mode off]

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The figure was just for the Carnegie schools competition.

My son's school (in Surrey) does teach RL, but it's predominately a Union school (actually it's first and foremost a soccer school). They don't have a RL team as far as I am aware, but you can see with a bit of a push it could easily grow.

thanks i was not having a go as it takes time to devlop leagues and was wondering how far along they were and i do think the junior game in the south has come on leaps and bounds in the last 10 years . what is needed now is for the rfl not to dismantle much of the good work that has been done due to the sport england money been cut .

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In Workington, (late 60's early 70's) I played union for the school (all we were allowed to play as PE teacher played for Netherhall ru,) union on Saturday afternoon for Workington Zebras and league on Sundays for Workington Boys club. When I was 16 I was taken to one side by the union coach (ooh er missus) and told that I had to decide which code I wanted to play as once I reached 17, if I continued to play league, I would be 'banned for life' from playing union. This was the norm then.

As for league in schools, down here at St Albans we had a very, very keen RL development coach. At one point he had senior schools in Potters Bar, Welwyn Garden City, Hatfield and St Albans all playing against each other in various age groups. Schools were contacting him to come along and teach their pupils. Then junior schools began getting in touch and asking for training and games. We could have done with three development officers. Unfortunately local union clubs didn't like this and they began offering their services at schools as well (well, rugby is rugby to someone not in the know). Now our development officer has retrurned to Aus in August last year, and we are waiting to see if we will be getting another one with all the cut backs etc. In the mean time, there is very little league now in senior schools after all the good ground work already done. The Dev Oficer from Hemel helped out after ours left but I believe covering both areas was just too much.

The good news is that we have a minis set up that is doing sterling work with junior schools children at the moment (all volunteers).

sounds as though we didn't have such a good time of it up in West Cumbria judging by the posts.

I had similar experience. I played for Glasson u-18's and Netherhall RU, as did many others. They both had good teams and the better players (3 of whom became regulars for the Carlisle RL club) were also told that come 17 years of age they had to decide which code they were playing or face being banned from RU forever. I wasn't that good, was off the radar and didn't have to make that decision.

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Excellen thread. It really upsets me when RU types state that our sports lack of growth is an indication of RLs popularity. Make sure the world knows the truth, schools rugby is just the proverbial tip

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I think the Sports England report suggests nationally there's 3 x as many Union players as League, but in the schools, it looks like it's much much closer. I've not heard of a Public School yet to take up League in Surrey. Hampton Boys School is mostly rowing and union, St James School and St George's Weybridge are Union. If they ever take up League, then League will be well and truly be accepted.

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