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Taxi Egg you well know that the NCL are not bothered about the strength of the side you put out in your first league game but we all know it will be your best one.

Maxwell you have a strong set up and at this time of the year your squads are probably at their biggest . I expect you to beat Methley.and progress. How your club thereafter approaches what could be a short dash to the Final will be intriguing.

Your neighbours Leigh East , now playing out of Div 2 may take a serious punt and still expect to achieve promotion. No such room in the Premiers for sure. Should be interesting though.

And yes Maxwell Twist lane it is - don't think i need to put it in my Sat Nav for 4th Feb ........

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Peter I should think your car would find it on automatic pilot never mind sat nav, providing, and hopefully not, we do not have more of the annoying white stuff

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disruption to the ncl, maybe, maybe not. depends on certain decisions made, like i said from the ncl clubs involved and the ncl commitee.

It seems to me that it's the NCL Committee who have refused to allow free dates for the National Cup rounds in their fixtures, but then the world revolves around the RFL

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I'm not Marauder. My post was a bit tongue in cheek and sorry if I have left an impression of 'dissing ' anyone.

The point I am trying to make is that no way will Leigh Miners not turn out their First Team for their first NCL match. Siddal took half a season to recover from that disaster at Twiss Lane last year and lost the minor Prem as a direct consequence. Everyone learned a lesson that day. So it will be the Reserves , and if they go through there are some potential , shall we say , 'difficult ' away days on offer.....

And yes I agree with you about the lower clubs. Would it not be a more attractive proposition therefore to concentrate the Cup on them to the exclusion of the biggest guys ? Maybe then the Competition would get back to the 100 plus entrants it used to enjoy......

A good coach will now the strength of his squad and will target certain games and competitions, may be Easts coach has targetted the National Cup.

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Perceived " bigger guys" recent history shows the minnows more than held their own swimming in the big pond.

And i thought Coley and Witty picked the first team squad or is that a hidden word of warning from the BIG Ncl management ?

Democracy gone mad ;)

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There is no democracy at the RFL and the Community Board set up is a clear example of that , even if Barla did take something to the Table the way the CB is constructed they would just simply get blackballed by people on the CB who do not want Barla to play any part in the future of the game .

And could any one tell me when the posistions on the CB are up for re-election ?

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Not simple at all Taxi Egg.

Perhaps you can explain the downward spiral in numbers that has occurred over at least the last half dozen years.?

Remember that it is only since September 2011 that the NCL in moving to summer left no vacant dates for the National Cup. Before that NCL clubs could be accommodated if they wanted to compete (unlike the County Cups )

Both NCL and regional clubs have been voting with their feet for a long time now..........

When your second team beats Methley , I hope they're not drawn away to the likes of Sharlston , Queens or Fryston to name but a few :lol: :lol: :lol:

The spiral in the National cup is partly down to the stubbiness of the NCL committee not permitting time in the calendar for teams to participate in what still is the only cup open to all amatures so the winners can with pride say they beat all comers and can be crown the best in the country. albeit tongue and cheek I don’t think any NCL club would relish the thought of going to the likes of Queens, Sharlston and Fryson to mention a few going of recent form, :D

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The spiral in the National cup is partly down to the stubbiness of the NCL committee not permitting time in the calendar for teams to participate in what still is the only cup open to all amatures so the winners can with pride say they beat all comers and can be crown the best in the country. albeit tongue and cheek I don’t think any NCL club would relish the thought of going to the likes of Queens, Sharlston and Fryson to mention a few going of recent form, :D

wondering what recent form your going off

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wondering what recent form your going off

the last three national cups from memory, there are a lot of good players and teams playing outside the NCL and the national cup is the only way you can compere unless im mistaken,

the NCL have the best facilities and you would argue the best run clubs but can we really argue we have the best team taking the results of the national cup into conssideration over the last few years,

and without starting the summer debate off again you have to do some convincing that the standards of the game wont suffer with fewer player available especially in the peak of summer

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the last three national cups from memory, there are a lot of good players and teams playing outside the NCL and the national cup is the only way you can compere unless im mistaken,

the NCL have the best facilities and you would argue the best run clubs but can we really argue we have the best team taking the results of the national cup into conssideration over the last few years,

and without starting the summer debate off again you have to do some convincing that the standards of the game wont suffer with fewer player available especially in the peak of summer

easier for players to lift games every 3-4 weeks for a cup match, most games in the regional leagues can be none existent from one week to next, only had to look at queens results in the yorkshire league. ive never suggested that there arent good players/ teams in the regionals, just saying that on a weekly basis competition can be less.

the last 3 national cups 'from memory' havent contained many sides from the ncl, the last 2 anyway, so comparisons between regional and ncl sides is pretty negligible.

oh and this years 'national' cup, how it can be called national now is anyones guess, more like down sized yorkshire cup, is scheduled mid june, how will these winter league teams/players cope in mid summer with all players on holiday/stag dos and days out. hopefully the final doesnt clash with any of these events, could be a disaster the way some winter, dash yorkshire folk , portray the summer months problems.

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A good coach will now the strength of his squad and will target certain games and competitions, may be Easts coach has targetted the National Cup.

the moorends coach must know their strengths, theyve not entered the 'national' cup.

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easier for players to lift games every 3-4 weeks for a cup match, most games in the regional leagues can be none existent from one week to next, only had to look at queens results in the yorkshire league. ive never suggested that there arent good players/ teams in the regionals, just saying that on a weekly basis competition can be less.

the last 3 national cups 'from memory' havent contained many sides from the ncl, the last 2 anyway, so comparisons between regional and ncl sides is pretty negligible.

oh and this years 'national' cup, how it can be called national now is anyones guess, more like down sized yorkshire cup, is scheduled mid june, how will these winter league teams/players cope in mid summer with all players on holiday/stag dos and days out. hopefully the final doesnt clash with any of these events, could be a disaster the way some winter, dash yorkshire folk , portray the summer months problems.

if the compertition is less on a weekly bases for non NCL clubs but yet they can still enter and win the national cup shouldn’t they be congratulated more for being able to raise there standard?

I have herd the argument about teams only raising there game before, I have even used that excuse myself but in my humble opinion it is what it says just an excuse.

it was only the last cup where not all the NCL teams entered due to pettiness at the top with management trying to prove who has more power.

All im saying is the fact that the regional side have outplayed the NCL sides on a regular bases based on the last few years when they have met at the top level, not just a one of game,,,

if the winter based teams had to turn a team out in the middle of summer like you suggest i suposed they would cope the same way the NCL sides cope

by turning half ther second team out and cancelling there reseve game.

it can still be called a national cup because any team can enter

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the moorends coach must know their strengths, theyve not entered the 'national' cup.

I've mentioned on another thread why the Moorends coach/Committee never entered the National Cup

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if the compertition is less on a weekly bases for non NCL clubs but yet they can still enter and win the national cup shouldn’t they be congratulated more for being able to raise there standard?

I have herd the argument about teams only raising there game before, I have even used that excuse myself but in my humble opinion it is what it says just an excuse.

it was only the last cup where not all the NCL teams entered due to pettiness at the top with management trying to prove who has more power.

All im saying is the fact that the regional side have outplayed the NCL sides on a regular bases based on the last few years when they have met at the top level, not just a one of game,,,

if the winter based teams had to turn a team out in the middle of summer like you suggest i suposed they would cope the same way the NCL sides cope

by turning half ther second team out and cancelling there reseve game.

it can still be called a national cup because any team can enter

And those regional sides do play each other every week so to me that suggest that they are playing at a good standard every week.

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There is no democracy at the RFL and the Community Board set up is a clear example of that , even if Barla did take something to the Table the way the CB is constructed they would just simply get blackballed by people on the CB who do not want Barla to play any part in the future of the game .

And could any one tell me when the posistions on the CB are up for re-election ?

Can you tell me who votes?

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Can you tell me who votes?

Abridged versions of the Community Board minutes can be found on the RFL website Marauder.. Those persons referred to as being present have a vote , those referred to as in attendace do not.

The constituent members have their own mechanisms for putting people forward. In the case of the Juniors Taxi Egg I believe that is through the Youth and Junior Council ( not the Barla one ) That's supposed to satisfy the democratic process but if anyone feels they are being short changed they should raise it initially within their own organisations and if necessary thereafter with David Gent ,Kelly Barratt or even one of the independent members.......

The independent members are appointed by the RFL Board for a fixed 2 year period at a time.

Hope the above helps

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How comes BARLA are tier 4 with a rep and the RFL have a tier 4 rep in Mr Coyd

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Another nod in the democratic process that is the CB :angry:

I've been trying to work out how every part of the game is equally represented.

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its not :lol:

Looks more like jobs for the yes sir boys., I've been looking at the minutes of a few CB meetings, whats the point, everything seems to come from the RFL except any other business.

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How very dare you :rolleyes:

Arn't the RFL supposed to encourage the 4 seasons?

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if the compertition is less on a weekly bases for non NCL clubs but yet they can still enter and win the national cup shouldn’t they be congratulated more for being able to raise there standard?

I have herd the argument about teams only raising there game before, I have even used that excuse myself but in my humble opinion it is what it says just an excuse.

it was only the last cup where not all the NCL teams entered due to pettiness at the top with management trying to prove who has more power.

All im saying is the fact that the regional side have outplayed the NCL sides on a regular bases based on the last few years when they have met at the top level, not just a one of game,,,

if the winter based teams had to turn a team out in the middle of summer like you suggest i suposed they would cope the same way the NCL sides cope

by turning half ther second team out and cancelling there reseve game.

it can still be called a national cup because any team can enter

i still wonder why the 'biggest' league operating only has about 17 representatives taking part in the national cup when there seems to be an outrage that the ncl leagues arent providing teams, apart from 1 or 2 sides. surely there should be more sides entering from the pennine winter league, plus other winter leagues, ie the 'thriving' hull league or nwc league or have most of these sides had enough too.

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