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Why should some random poster on a message board be obliged to help out a semi-professional RL club that are not promoting themselves? Your argument is complete nonsense.

I am not saying he is obliged to.. but in the time he came on here to complain he could have sent them an email with his idea or suggestion.. no more no less, he doesnt have to do anything else but its much more useful to everyone concerned (and especiallif he really does want to see the team succeed) to fire his sugestion to the people that matter rather than a message board!

If everyone did that then maybe these clubs would succeed..

Semi pro club maybe but everyone needs help to succeed espeically right at the beginning.. Championship and SL clubs are helped by volunteers.. so i would say it is even more important to the likes of the All golds..

nonsense you may think but if we truley are an "RL Family" and we truly want expansion to succeed then a little bit of pro activness never goes amiss.

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I agree once when i was over in the UK i had the pleasure of having dinner with him his knowledge of the game is incredible,he is a good friend of Cliff (Who sadly hardly ever posts on here nowadays) also is a top criminal barrister and historian.CM

Yes, the spread of amateur RL all over Britain can be attributed directly to his vision in founding the first summer conference league and ensuring it happened and was successful.When the history of the game is written or continued I hope his contribution is acknowledged. Of course he is not yet history as his involvement with the All Golds demonstrates.

By the way, what an inspired name " All Golds". It both celebrates the history of the game and at the same time turns a contemptuous epither aimed at out fledgling game into a celebration of our success and longevity.

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Yes, the spread of amateur RL all over Britain can be attributed directly to his vision in founding the first summer conference league and ensuring it happened and was successful.When the history of the game is written or continued I hope his contribution is acknowledged. Of course he is not yet history as his involvement with the All Golds demonstrates.

By the way, what an inspired name " All Golds". It both celebrates the history of the game and at the same time turns a contemptuous epither aimed at out fledgling game into a celebration of our success and longevity.

Not true though he helped preserve a declining non-heartland amateur game and triggered the new wave of growth albeit at the major disadvantage of being tied to the RU off season.

Whilst when BARLA was founded there was a small Southern ARL of about 3 clubs (all based in London and mainly Australian) this was grown by the 1980s to 2/3 divisions with a Midlands and South West League, and an East Midlands League (with 1-2 divisions each), and at imes 3 other small leagues (Eastern Counties, North East and Staffordshire). These latter developments started with outposts of the Southern League breaking away but also the East Midlands League spun off from the West Yorkshire Sunday League and the North East League spun off from the York and District Sunday League.

These developments were in the first wave of expansion (say late 70s and especially early to mid 80s) often based around students, armed forces and miners but with an expat Australian element in London. Gloucestershire seems to have had a lot of clubs in those days. A second wave of expansion after 1989 saw RU players allowed to play on a Sunday. This boom saw some clubs like Birmingham and St Ives originate along with many lost to the game.

By the mid 90s these leagues were in often terminal decline with by the time the RLC was founded only the London League (2 divisions), the North East League and East Midlands League surviving albeit the latter 2 with few clubs. An attempt to the save the non heartland game roughly coinciding with the creation of the RLC saw the better East Midlands and North East clubs switching to the Yorkshire League before they all eventually went summer or folded.

So the RLC was just one of many eras of rugby league expansion and its creation saw the forcing of many clubs whose face didn't fit out of the game (this was nearly the fate of St Ives). If it weren't for the RLC needing to fill out gaps when NL3 and then the premier divisions were created there'd have been many more clubs driven out. On the other hand from 2005 onwards minimum criteria were entirely removed to the point where non existant clubs got in

What's new is the junior development which largely dates to more recently than the RLC but was largely backed by community development workers that are now being withdrawn in light of Sport England cuts. A shame as the game in the midlands was far weaker before them.

We may lament the demise of West London Sharks in the current format but we must never forget they were created by killing off Brent-Ealing and London Colonials (the former in their Ealing guise dating back to 1965 so over 30 years history killed off)

The abolition of the RLC is one of the best things for a while for the non heartland game as local development has paid dividends in many regions (especially the North East). The creation of the Conference South is much needed but I'm concerned with how it will work as the RFL have prioritised not just Championship expansion but even U20s of the Championship 1 sides coinciding with NCL expansion and the withdrawal of funding. If it collapses there is nowhere obvious for the member clubs to go.

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Not true though he helped preserve a declining non-heartland amateur game and triggered the new wave of growth albeit at the major disadvantage of being tied to the RU off season.

Whilst when BARLA was founded there was a small Southern ARL of about 3 clubs (all based in London and mainly Australian) this was grown by the 1980s to 2/3 divisions with a Midlands and South West League, and an East Midlands League (with 1-2 divisions each), and at imes 3 other small leagues (Eastern Counties, North East and Staffordshire). These latter developments started with outposts of the Southern League breaking away but also the East Midlands League spun off from the West Yorkshire Sunday League and the North East League spun off from the York and District Sunday League.

These developments were in the first wave of expansion (say late 70s and especially early to mid 80s) often based around students, armed forces and miners but with an expat Australian element in London. Gloucestershire seems to have had a lot of clubs in those days. A second wave of expansion after 1989 saw RU players allowed to play on a Sunday. This boom saw some clubs like Birmingham and St Ives originate along with many lost to the game.

By the mid 90s these leagues were in often terminal decline with by the time the RLC was founded only the London League (2 divisions), the North East League and East Midlands League surviving albeit the latter 2 with few clubs. An attempt to the save the non heartland game roughly coinciding with the creation of the RLC saw the better East Midlands and North East clubs switching to the Yorkshire League before they all eventually went summer or folded.

So the RLC was just one of many eras of rugby league expansion and its creation saw the forcing of many clubs whose face didn't fit out of the game (this was nearly the fate of St Ives). If it weren't for the RLC needing to fill out gaps when NL3 and then the premier divisions were created there'd have been many more clubs driven out. On the other hand from 2005 onwards minimum criteria were entirely removed to the point where non existant clubs got in

What's new is the junior development which largely dates to more recently than the RLC but was largely backed by community development workers that are now being withdrawn in light of Sport England cuts. A shame as the game in the midlands was far weaker before them.

We may lament the demise of West London Sharks in the current format but we must never forget they were created by killing off Brent-Ealing and London Colonials (the former in their Ealing guise dating back to 1965 so over 30 years history killed off)

The abolition of the RLC is one of the best things for a while for the non heartland game as local development has paid dividends in many regions (especially the North East). The creation of the Conference South is much needed but I'm concerned with how it will work as the RFL have prioritised not just Championship expansion but even U20s of the Championship 1 sides coinciding with NCL expansion and the withdrawal of funding. If it collapses there is nowhere obvious for the member clubs to go.

Thank you for that Bowes and your knowledge of all things related to amateur RL is far greater than mine. I was aware of the London League and the Midlands league and ,as you state, they were pretty much moribund and their future was in serious doubt and Lionel Hirsts fledgling competition kick started the explsive growth of the amateur game throughout the UK.

I will let you comment but my impression was that BARLA never really got involved with anything outside the heartland even though these various leagues were affiliated to them and that Hirst reignited expansionary growth for amateur RL outside the heartlands, aided and abetted by the switch to summer and the use of RU players and grounds in many cases.

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Decent signing to be announced today should add a little steel to the team. Website up at 6pm too.

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Nope - though the line-up of Conference South and fixture format should be announced soon, as clubs have been asked about different season structures etc

http://www.yorkshirerl.co.uk/article/8894/conference-south-to-launch-in

Conference South has been launched with six teams (Bristol Sonics, St Albans Centurions, Leicester Storm, Northampton Demons, Nottingham Outlaws, Sheffield Hallam Eagles).

Looks like clubs have voted for 15 games and triple round robin.

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http://www.yorkshirerl.co.uk/article/8894/conference-south-to-launch-in

Conference South has been launched with six teams (Bristol Sonics, St Albans Centurions, Leicester Storm, Northampton Demons, Nottingham Outlaws, Sheffield Hallam Eagles).

Looks like clubs have voted for 15 games and triple round robin.

Nice one! Great stuff! Alhough the name is a little confusing seeing as only 2 of the teams are in the South. :lol:

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Nice one! Great stuff! Alhough the name is a little confusing seeing as only 2 of the teams are in the South. :lol:

It's a little disapointing that there is no London based team there after the successful expansion there in the last few years. A little worrying for the future if the amateur game here also. At least the league is up and running and can add teams in the next few years if they express an interest.

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It's a little disapointing that there is no London based team there after the successful expansion there in the last few years. A little worrying for the future if the amateur game here also. At least the league is up and running and can add teams in the next few years if they express an interest.

Apparently 4 clubs have expressed an interest in joining in future and at least one of them is London based. 2 of them would have been ready this year were it not for travel costs IMO.

Hemel, Skolars and South Wales have all decided to run U20 teams rather than reserves otherwise this league would have been bigger.

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Decent signing to be announced today should add a little steel to the team. Website up at 6pm too.

do you have the web address yet rs?

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Although its a bit disappointing to have just the 6 for the Southern Conference opening campaign the interest of four others may be in 2014 is encouraging. Yes Skolars, Hemel and UGAG would have added credibility but those clubs now deciding to running U20s is a further plus already for the game in the midlands & south. Exciting times.

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Nice one! Great stuff! Alhough the name is a little confusing seeing as only 2 of the teams are in the South. :lol:

Why? Fold the map in half and all bar Sheffield are in the southern half and even using Watford Gap thats still three!

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Why? Fold the map in half and all bar Sheffield are in the southern half and even using Watford Gap thats still three!

Nottingham's probably northern half

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To Northerners Nottingham is South, to southerners it is North. Like a lot of the Midlands nobody wants to really claim it as their own!

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To Northerners Nottingham is South, to southerners it is North. Like a lot of the Midlands nobody wants to really claim it as their own!

I'd love to claim it as league's though. Coventry will be the first semi pro step in that direction next season to be the tip of the midlands league iceberg topping the conference and uni teams.

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I had this debate every night in my first year at uni.... the A52 is the is the dividing line.

Mmmmmm those crazy student days, eh?

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It's a little disapointing that there is no London based team there after the successful expansion there in the last few years. A little worrying for the future if the amateur game here also. At least the league is up and running and can add teams in the next few years if they express an interest.

You mean Broncos don't create huge interest in grassroots rugby league in London!

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A league along this basis was proposed in 2010 and even then West London and South London didn't want to know. Now they have to merge to be able to exist at a lower level than the one they were individually doing very well in back then.

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A league along this basis was proposed in 2010 and even then West London and South London didn't want to know. Now they have to merge to be able to exist at a lower level than the one they were individually doing very well in back then.

Indeed. Sadly London rugby hasn't moved on in the last few years even though Herts, the North East and the Midlands have.

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Looks a young side to me guess that's the student and Leeds academy element?

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