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There must be one plot of land in London where the Broncos can build there own stadium?

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There must be a magic rainbow with a giant pot of gold at the end of it somewhere in London!

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Some of you people are in the wrong job,you'd be perfect for Labours next Chancellor - spend money you don't have,on something which isn't viable,then blame someone else for its failure and leave others to pay the bill.

Make that +2.

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share with sarries at there new 10,000 seater i pitch stadium in barnet could be the answer.

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share with sarries at there new 10,000 seater i pitch stadium in barnet could be the answer.

That'll be reverting back to an athletics stadium in the summer months.

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share with sarries at there new 10,000 seater i pitch stadium in barnet could be the answer.

The same place they used to play at and moved out of :dry:

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While the grammar police are in the vicinity can they please arrest anybody using a 'z' where an 's' should be in words like organisation. We aren't a ##### American colony yet. :angry:

-ize is the accepted spelling by Cambridge University and was standard in British English well into the twentieth century.

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While the grammar police are in the vicinity can they please arrest anybody using a 'z' where an 's' should be in words like organisation. We aren't a ##### American colony yet. :angry:

Or those on here that call it defense. Even the Deefence on TV makes me cringe.

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share with sarries at there new 10,000 seater i pitch stadium in barnet could be the answer.

Here we go again. It's THEIR!!

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Here we go again. It's THEIR!!

There,there,theres no need to get too upset about the misuse of the word their. They re only confused in their use of the possessive article.

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There,there,theres no need to get too upset about the misuse of the word their. They re only confused in their use of the possessive article.

You'll be getting pulled up for your missing apostrophes in a minute.

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You'll be getting pulled up for your missing apostrophes in a minute.

Yes indeed, that s what happens when I use this old laptop on which the apostrophe key is kaput. I try to get the same effect by using spaces. I apostrophise for that.

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For the benefit of those of you who do not subscribe as I do to a certain RL publication. Gus Mackay as given an interview to Ian Ramsdale which has confirmed much of what I have posted on here for the last 2 years.

  • The Broncos cannot afford their own stadium so are looking for a partnership with another sporting club probably a soccer one
  • The Club will move from Twickenham Stoop in 2014 as it cannot afford the rent
  • The Club now has soccer fans as its main target audience as an off season alternative
  • The Club wants to move to East London
  • Reading between the lines only a negative fan reaction prevented London moving to Gillingham last year.
  • Gillingham was the second biggest matchday revenue earner in 2012

Other points on this thread

  • London Scottish RFC are like their co-tenants Richmond RFC cashed up and would not countenance the Broncos as primary tenant
  • Blackheath RFC is interesting but would not meet licensing criteria and anyway as a Union ground does not find favour with the club owner
  • And you can take it as gospel from me London Broncos will never set foot at Allianz Park in Barnet.

So it looks like the Broncos becoming a revenue stream for Leyton Orient once the matchroom maestro admits defeat in trying to become West Ham's cuckoo in the nest at the former Olympic Stadium. As I have said before the RFL will not stand in the way of the club using a sub-10,000 capacity stadium because let's face it the club will not get five figure crowds under the current ownership. Personally I would prefer Dagenham & Redbridge as they do a decent bacon sarnie in the ground and I could pop into the "Codfather" chippy outside Dagenham East in the one season that will remain before the club goes belly up.

There is of course one tiny snagette which Mr Hughes the ex-Charlton Director has not factored in which is in any "partnership" with a soccer club the soccer club's feral fans will turn upon their board the first minute the soccer club is rumoured to be "propping up an ailing RL Club" remember Fulham, remember Northampton just recently and does not our owner remember his idea for Charlton Athletic RL was vetoed for the same reason by his then co-directors at the Valiants.

So here we have it the 2013 business model based on Lashings CC where David sits back and watches his XVIII give him some personal return on his considerable investment whilst the club ceases marketing activity in an area it no longer wishes to stay in, (a far cry from 1997 when the justification for the move from the valley was that because ofr the Fulham heritage the Broncos were a West London Club), community activity drops off,- execept in East London. Soccer fans get cheap ticket promotions, revenue shrinks and yet more of the hardcore fanbase drifts away regadless of one field results, as many will not go to East London.

Which reminds me, Barking is three stops away from Dagenham. As the club is determined to go to East London - but does not wish to divulge the "research" that supports its "10,000 every week" assertion supporting the move. Would it not be appropriate to have Barking as the setting for a Barking idea..

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For the benefit of those of you who do not subscribe as I do to a certain RL publication. Gus Mackay as given an interview to Ian Ramsdale which has confirmed much of what I have posted on here for the last 2 years.

  • The Broncos cannot afford their own stadium so are looking for a partnership with another sporting club probably a soccer one
  • The Club will move from Twickenham Stoop in 2014 as it cannot afford the rent
  • The Club now has soccer fans as its main target audience as an off season alternative
  • The Club wants to move to East London
  • Reading between the lines only a negative fan reaction prevented London moving to Gillingham last year.
  • Gillingham was the second biggest matchday revenue earner in 2012

Other points on this thread

  • London Scottish RFC are like their co-tenants Richmond RFC cashed up and would not countenance the Broncos as primary tenant
  • Blackheath RFC is interesting but would not meet licensing criteria and anyway as a Union ground does not find favour with the club owner
  • And you can take it as gospel from me London Broncos will never set foot at Allianz Park in Barnet.

So it looks like the Broncos becoming a revenue stream for Leyton Orient once the matchroom maestro admits defeat in trying to become West Ham's cuckoo in the nest at the former Olympic Stadium. As I have said before the RFL will not stand in the way of the club using a sub-10,000 capacity stadium because let's face it the club will not get five figure crowds under the current ownership. Personally I would prefer Dagenham & Redbridge as they do a decent bacon sarnie in the ground and I could pop into the "Codfather" chippy outside Dagenham East in the one season that will remain before the club goes belly up.

There is of course one tiny snagette which Mr Hughes the ex-Charlton Director has not factored in which is in any "partnership" with a soccer club the soccer club's feral fans will turn upon their board the first minute the soccer club is rumoured to be "propping up an ailing RL Club" remember Fulham, remember Northampton just recently and does not our owner remember his idea for Charlton Athletic RL was vetoed for the same reason by his then co-directors at the Valiants.

So here we have it the 2013 business model based on Lashings CC where David sits back and watches his XVIII give him some personal return on his considerable investment whilst the club ceases marketing activity in an area it no longer wishes to stay in, (a far cry from 1997 when the justification for the move from the valley was that because ofr the Fulham heritage the Broncos were a West London Club), community activity drops off,- execept in East London. Soccer fans get cheap ticket promotions, revenue shrinks and yet more of the hardcore fanbase drifts away regadless of one field results, as many will not go to East London.

Which reminds me, Barking is three stops away from Dagenham. As the club is determined to go to East London - but does not wish to divulge the "research" that supports its "10,000 every week" assertion supporting the move. Would it not be appropriate to have Barking as the setting for a Barking idea..

Some interesting points, I would like to stress though as I have done on many occasions that Stratford, Leyton and that neck of the woods is not a great catchment area for the Broncos, yes the Leyton ground is a nice boutique stadium but Leyton is now a very different area to what it was 20 years ago and I don't see it as the type of suburban style London area that could support a pro rugby league team.

Blackheath....your right the ground is below super league standard but, could it be developed by the Broncos and the union club with both being co tenants and a deal which would enable London to gain matchday and other revenues. Blackheath is in the heart of residential Greenwich and Greenwich has great potential as a rugby league borough due to it's suburban, historic nature.

White Hart Lane....I do think there's some potential there for the land to be bought jointly by the RFL, Skolars and Broncos and develop into a kind of London rugby league centre but having been to the stadium and local area I have some reservations especially as the ground is situated on a residential road in need of serious redevelopment, Tottenham are a few yards down the road and I was not surprised at all when they attempted to up sticks to the Olympics stadium.

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Brentford.....if I would pick a ground share with the Broncos as tenants it would be this, more specifically moving into the new stadium would raise crowds and the catchment area, transport links and demographics are perfect on top of this Brentford aren't a huge club which would overshadow the Broncos. But as has been demonstrated if you move in as tenants and not co tenants then you don't have full control of your destiny and revenues. It would have to be a long term deal with scope for the club to have its own revenue streams.

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Personally I think east London would be a good choice for a Broncos move. A huge catchment area, with Stratford having excellent transport links to north, south and east London, as welll as all of Essex. But then again I am slightly biased in my opinion.

But no site in London is going to prove successful without some substantial marketing and a successful team on the pitch.

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I read RedRooster's post carefully, but couldn't see the bit where he suggested what the Broncos should actaully do in his opinion. There was a lot about what they shouldn't.

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If it's to be Brisbane Road (rather fitting, eh?) the Broncos could do worse than offering the Hearns the opportunity to buy in.

Those fellas have done wonders for Darts, Snooker and Boxing and are well connected.

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Some interesting points, I would like to stress though as I have done on many occasions that Stratford, Leyton and that neck of the woods is not a great catchment area for the Broncos, yes the Leyton ground is a nice boutique stadium but Leyton is now a very different area to what it was 20 years ago and I don't see it as the type of suburban style London area that could support a pro rugby league team.

Blackheath....your right the ground is below super league standard but, could it be developed by the Broncos and the union club with both being co tenants and a deal which would enable London to gain matchday and other revenues. Blackheath is in the heart of residential Greenwich and Greenwich has great potential as a rugby league borough due to it's suburban, historic nature.

White Hart Lane....I do think there's some potential there for the land to be bought jointly by the RFL, Skolars and Broncos and develop into a kind of London rugby league centre but having been to the stadium and local area I have some reservations especially as the ground is situated on a residential road in need of serious redevelopment, Tottenham are a few yards down the road and I was not surprised at all when they attempted to up sticks to the Olympics stadium.

Maybe I'm too close to notice, but I've lived in Leyton since 1986 and can't see any changes that would have a negative effect on potential support for rugby league. I don't see East London being a panacea for the Broncos, but neither do I see it as a place where a successful team wouldn't be supported.

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The other thing Leyton has going for it is proximity to the Olympic Park which in a year or two will be something of a tourist attraction in its own right.

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The other thing Leyton has going for it is proximity to the Olympic Park which in a year or two will be something of a tourist attraction in its own right.

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I read RedRooster's post carefully, but couldn't see the bit where he suggested what the Broncos should actaully do in his opinion. There was a lot about what they shouldn't.

Someone reads me !

In an ideal world the only co-tenants that would make sense are the London Skolars and to redevelop "Rugby League park" at the New River Stradium.

This however is likely to remain in the realms of fantasy for the following reasons:

  • There would be considerable opposition from local residents to redeveloping New River. It is one thing having a semi-pro club drawing 400 to the ground it would be another to have a club drawing - optimisticaly - 4,000 to the ground. Issues such as parking would come to the fore. Given the gentrification of large areas of inner city London including Tottenham a well organised protest group run by middle clasds professionals could cause considerable problems in getting planning permission as they rather than fans of the clubs live in the area and can vote. Nigel Wray Saracens owner is on record as saying that his stadium and Tottenham Hotspurs new ground are likely to be the last new build stadiums in London for the forseeable future.
  • You also have to be considerably cashed up to redevelop the ground to an acceptable standard and at the same time get through the planning process. Gus Mackay has admitted the club has no money, it would be great for the Broncos to have an additional / new investor . However you do not make a lot of money in this world by having a lack of common sense and whilst as an investor you would not expect any kind of a return on your investment, incinerating your money in a club which has yet to demonstrate that there is a market for a successful team is an expensive hobby. In short, you expect to take a loss, the question here is the unsustainable size of the loss running a full time professional outfit would incur in the short / medium term..
  • Any move to North / East London will probably cost the club 25% of its existing small fanbase. Can you be absolutely certain that these fans would be replaced in East London ?. For you northerners, if you want a comparitor, if you relocated Salford from Barton to Belle Vue how many of the reds hardcore would follow?

The Daddys idea of Blackheath would fail for the dual reasons of finance and the antipathy of a vocal minority of RL fans to all things Union.

The logic of the move to Gillingham was following the formula deemed to be successful in establishing a new sport in virgin territory. Basically go to where established sports are weak or non-existant and you become the local sporting attraction. That said the Gillingham Gulls would not be the London Broncos and the whole rationale behind the Broncos "value" to superleague is as the capital club.

So to answer your question Browny, a bit like the Labour Chancellor mentioned earlier in this thread, I have lots of negative comments but little by the way of a solution, although I at least recognise that the clubs predicament has come about through mismanagement over a number of years. Things are now coming to a head and although I am of the view that London was never infertile territory for the game I am afraid as a professional full time sport in the capital the Broncos time may have come and gone.

The unpalatble truth is that as with any product there is a definable limit to the number of times you can re-brand ad re-locate before most people conclude that there is no market for the product.

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I think a move to Gillingham should be looked at very carefully.

Medway Dragons did a lot to publicise the game, but would they be expected to do this every Home game? Also, there was a lot of novelty factor with last years game against Hull, how many spectators could they guarantee each game if they move to the Priestfield? I wouldn't because it's a nightmare to get to from Hastings, but thats just my lazyness.

Gillingham Town Centre is a dump, sorry to those who live there, but it is. The pubs were friendly enough, but there wasn't enough choice to eat/drink/kids friendly, before or after the game.

Nice stadium, looked really nice with 3 stands open, and thanks to the Hull fan who sold me a cut price ticket, but I can't see Gillingham as the home Base for LBRFLC

Not too sure about Brentford either, Nice ground, but that Eastern terrace is a bit open is rough weather, and it's not as accessable as Western Londoners like to make out, especially on trains or buses, there are a LOT of changes on LRT to consider. At least Gillingham is walking distance from the train staton, even if it is outside Zone 6 on the TfL Network.

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London Broncos should stay as far away from Matchroom Sport as possible.

Anything else that has a chance of working should be considered.

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I think a move to Gillingham should be looked at very carefully.

Medway Dragons did a lot to publicise the game, but would they be expected to do this every Home game? Also, there was a lot of novelty factor with last years game against Hull, how many spectators could they guarantee each game if they move to the Priestfield? I wouldn't because it's a nightmare to get to from Hastings, but thats just my lazyness.

Gillingham Town Centre is a dump, sorry to those who live there, but it is. The pubs were friendly enough, but there wasn't enough choice to eat/drink/kids friendly, before or after the game.

Nice stadium, looked really nice with 3 stands open, and thanks to the Hull fan who sold me a cut price ticket, but I can't see Gillingham as the home Base for LBRFLC

Not too sure about Brentford either, Nice ground, but that Eastern terrace is a bit open is rough weather, and it's not as accessable as Western Londoners like to make out, especially on trains or buses, there are a LOT of changes on LRT to consider. At least Gillingham is walking distance from the train staton, even if it is outside Zone 6 on the TfL Network.

Personally I'd like the club to move to Orient but to play on the road games in other parts of London and Kent (e.g. Gillingham and Brentford). It would also be cool if the club could play a big annual game at Fulham if that was feasible. On the road games break the monotony

The Eastern Terrace at Brentford now has a stand over it.

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