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BBC report about Broncos leaving the Stoop.

Have they thought about going to Saracens' new ground?

Here are the advantages:

1. It's near the M1 so good for the majority of fans who will go to any Broncos games, compared with going to SW London

2. It has astro-turf so there will be no issues about ground-sharing and pitch damage

3. It has a capacity of 10,000 so lots of games will have atmosphere (maybe not the one v Catalans)

4. Joel Tomkins will be able to see some rugby league regularly

5. It's a 221 bus ride from my house. (So, ironically, is a trip to the Skolars, in the other direction)

Softy

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Before the Webmaster merges this thread with the other one. I draw your attention to the fact that the plan is for a multi-sport stadium with a maximum of 16 matchdays per year

http://www.copthall-application.co.uk/Barnet%20Copthall/Applicants%20Statement%20-%20August%202011x.pdf

The whole planning applkication is here - and may sober up those who think its quite easy for the Broncos to pitch tent elsewhere

http://www.copthall-application.co.uk/index.htm

It is not an option for London Broncos to move to Copthall.. end of.

Now of course as its Soccer clubs and their fans are the new target area perhaps the Chairman and his CEO will act on the comments made by one individual at the only fan forum last season who suggested Millwall FC because they have "hard men" aplenty.and thus are ideal for RugbyLeague. :rolleyes:

I expect Gus Mackay or perhaps Mike Stevenson when he gets back from Oz, to announce the deal anyday now. ;)

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trakl    3

I can't remember how long London were based at Barnet Copthall and, while it was not the most salubrious of settings, I do remember seeing a wonderfully vibrant side there on a number of occasions. (Can someone remind me of the wonderful little Kiwi? scrum-half who seemed to be man-of-the-match on a regular basis)? I do remember Abi Ekoku beginning to make an impression before he was signed by Bradford. And it was Tony "Tank" Gordon as coach, wasn't it?

It is salutary to remember that, in those days, Saracens were playing on a public park!

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The Big Gun    30

The Den must be under consideration. It's a bit big and the area is pretty grim, but it's located reasonably centrally and Millwall aren't the wealthiest club so I'm sure would appreciate the extra revenue.

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Padge    2,308

Reading between the lines of "Saracens have changed their business model", Broncos are being thrown out. They had a good and favourable arrangement for a while there.

They need to be to be closer to the northern motorway links (even if only in perception), they also need to be in partnership with someone who sees a benefit from helping them thrive (far easier said than done).

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longboard    960

Reading between the lines of "Saracens have changed their business model", Broncos are being thrown out. They had a good and favourable arrangement for a while there.

They need to be to be closer to the northern motorway links (even if only in perception), they also need to be in partnership with someone who sees a benefit from helping them thrive (far easier said than done).

I take it you mean Harlequins having changed their business model Padge.

Harlequins may not need the rental monies so much now they are having a bit of success and probably want to develop their ground and the facilities. IIRC it hold fewer than 10,000 people................

I agree about the location for London.

Moving to Millwall!*? :O It's like a rougher version of Dewsbury but with southern accents and it is a bind getting there.

It's a pity Barnet FC's ground isn't a bit bigger....................

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The Big Gun    30

good idea - wonder if there's any potential fan base? It's still a bit of a pig for away (or any) fans......

South Bermondsey overground station is 1 stop away from London Bridge so any away fans travelling by train would be fine.

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The Big Gun    30

I take it you mean Harlequins having changed their business model Padge.

Harlequins may not need the rental monies so much now they are having a bit of success and probably want to develop their ground and the facilities. IIRC it hold fewer than 10,000 people................

I agree about the location for London.

Moving to Millwall!*? :O It's like a rougher version of Dewsbury but with southern accents and it is a bind getting there.

It's a Barnet FC's ground is a bit bigger....................

It is true that it's a very rough area, but all the hard northern league fans surely wouldn't mind that?

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Northern Sol    252

Reading between the lines of "Saracens have changed their business model", Broncos are being thrown out. They had a good and favourable arrangement for a while there.

I always wondered what was in the relationship for Quins. Broncos could hardly have been paying much rent given their crowds. It never felt like a stable partnership.

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Athletics Grand Prix won't be at Crystal Palace much longer, maybe they could get a decent deal there.

Barnet's new ground (poor old Wealdstone) will hold about 5000 which is adequate for current crowds but surely not tickworthy.

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shun    34

Athletics Grand Prix won't be at Crystal Palace much longer, maybe they could get a decent deal there.

Barnet's new ground (poor old Wealdstone) will hold about 5000 which is adequate for current crowds but surely not tickworthy.

Of course its not tickworthy, the current requirement to enter superleague is to have a stadium capacity of 10000, or is it an avarage attendance of 10000, I don't know. But the broncos are a long way of either.

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tw15    1

Brentford's new Lionel Road stadium won't be ready until 2017. Crystal Palace isn't that easy to get to from West London, and it needs a lot of refurbishment - again I doubt it would be usable until 2017.

The easiest place away from west London for west Londoners to get to is probably Stratford and the Olympic Park.

Wheatsheaf Park, home of Staines Town FC, has a 3,000 capacity. Woking FC has a 6,000 capacity. Maybe they could be upgraded and enlarged?

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Brentford's new Lionel Road stadium won't be ready until 2017. Crystal Palace isn't that easy to get to from West London, and it needs a lot of refurbishment - again I doubt it would be usable until 2017.

If it's good enough for Usain Bolt, I'm sure it's good enough for Widnes Vikings.

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Tre Cool    539

Leyton Orient or Gillingham are pretty much only options, tidy grounds possibly happy to share without bending us over. Im hoping orient.

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I can't remember how long London were based at Barnet Copthall and, while it was not the most salubrious of settings, I do remember seeing a wonderfully vibrant side there on a number of occasions. (Can someone remind me of the wonderful little Kiwi? scrum-half who seemed to be man-of-the-match on a regular basis)? I do remember Abi Ekoku beginning to make an impression before he was signed by Bradford. And it was Tony "Tank" Gordon as coach, wasn't it?

It is salutary to remember that, in those days, Saracens were playing on a public park!

Mark Riley was that scrum-half.

Went to Swinton after Broncos pushed out the Kiwi contingent.

Copthall might be great for coming down from the M1/A1 as per the OP, but it's an awful place to get to by public transport for the home support. 20 minutes + from the Mil Hill East spur of the Northern Line. Parking isn't too good either.

There wasn't

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trakl    3

Mark Riley was that scrum-half.

Went to Swinton after Broncos pushed out the Kiwi contingent.

Copthall might be great for coming down from the M1/A1 as per the OP, but it's an awful place to get to by public transport for the home support. 20 minutes + from the Mil Hill East spur of the Northern Line. Parking isn't too good either.

There wasn't

Thanks for that, Phil. Mark Riley was ace! And yes, it took quite a long time to get there on public transport from my home in Kent - but at least the team played some exciting football.

Do you remember for how long they were there?

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snoopy    9

Leyton Orient or Gillingham are pretty much only options, tidy grounds possibly happy to share without bending us over. Im hoping orient.

If this is true, then Orient it is, as most of the current fan base would find the journey to Gillingham out of the question, and building a new fan base up would take years even if we had a winning team.

Orient has good rail road and bus network and we could pick up some extra away support up from that as well. Even moving to Orient will lose us fans but at least we may pick up a few newbies on t6he back of some good marketting although maybe not enough over one season.

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Tre Cool    539

If this is true, then Orient it is, as most of the current fan base would find the journey to Gillingham out of the question, and building a new fan base up would take years even if we had a winning team.

Orient has good rail road and bus network and we could pick up some extra away support up from that as well. Even moving to Orient will lose us fans but at least we may pick up a few newbies on t6he back of some good marketting although maybe not enough over one season.

The only thing that concerms me about Orient is that its quite a rough area. Not Cas or Wigan rough but London rough (gangs and guns). Better transport links though. I think the board were quite keen on Gills tbh, until they heard fans reactions.

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