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A man no one in rl circles had heard of is now willing to throw millions of pounds down the drain purely for the love of the game...not a chance

He will make no money whatsoever out of rugby league. ..no one ever has

Hes in it entirely for the venue.

But Mark, you just don't know. I thought that was your point?

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As the song went, "Fame makes a man take things over....."

Perhaps if we can finally start to see some tangible progress forthcoming at Agecroft, memories of the club very nearly being relocated Darwen, the unjust wiping out of the Trust's shareholding and board position, the nepotism towards his son, might fade a tad.

David Bowie and Rugby League - what can I say???

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But respondou just don't know. I thought that was your point?

It was Phil at that point if the discussion. You took a while to respond

To be honest I don't really care what he does at Salford. ..maybe he really does want to throw money away. However youd have thought after naming a hotel after his daughter he would have finished that too and not sold up.

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A man no one in rl circles had heard of is now willing to throw millions of pounds down the drain purely for the love of the game...not a chance

He will make no money whatsoever out of rugby league. ..no one ever has

Hes in it entirely for the venue.

for once mark i agree with you, my own opinion is that salford council and peel will be glad if koukash takes over so their debts gets paid, the drawback being planning permission for port salford and around the stadium giving peel and koukash carte blanche to do whatever they want and making themselves a few million in the process. as for agecroft STILL no sign of any tangible progress and yet again silennce from the club, anything they now say on agecroft i take with an extremley large pinch of salt.

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As the song went, "Fame makes a man take things over....."

Perhaps if we can finally start to see some tangible progress forthcoming at Agecroft, memories of the club very nearly being relocated Darwen, the unjust wiping out of the Trust's shareholding and board position, the nepotism towards his son, might fade a tad.

cudnt agree more phil.

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for once mark i agree with you, my own opinion is that salford council and peel will be glad if koukash takes over so their debts gets paid, the drawback being planning permission for port salford and around the stadium giving peel and koukash carte blanche to do whatever they want and making themselves a few million in the process. as for agecroft STILL no sign of any tangible progress and yet again silennce from the club, anything they now say on agecroft i take with an extremley large pinch of salt.

Phil knows im right on this hes just being contrary for fun

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Phil knows im right on this hes just being contrary for fun

Not really, as its feasible he could do both - i.e. put money into Salford City Reds and develop some of the surrounding site.

I suspect Marwan Koukash has taken notes from Eamonn MacManus on the commercial realities of Langtree Park - and is presently telling Salford City Council and Peel Holdings how it should/could be done. In the bidding process he's holding all the aces really.

My guess is a major supermarket will go alongside the Salford City Stadium (its a fair reflection on the level of incompetence shown at Barton so far that they haven't even been able to sell the naming rights despite being next to one of the UK's busiest motorways) possibly with some other retail/hotel/commerce.

Not dissimilar to TESCO next to Langtree Park, TESCO next to the Halliwell Jones stadium (Warrington Council should be congratulated for being the visionaries and setting most of the precedents), Morrisons and the hotel at LSV.

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http://menmedia.co.u...es-up-rich-list

I bet hes relishing taking advice on business from Eammon Mcmanus.

Perhaps you've highlighted a very significant aspect - given the corporate arrogance it routinely displays, it wouldn't come as the greatest surprise on earth if Peel Holdings has gone about its part of the deal at Barton believing that it always knows best and simply doesn't need to take any advice. Another possibility is that the true focus of Mr Whittaker et al is on other things (profits from the still to be built Port Salford).

More is the pity really, because there can be no doubt at all that when it has come to the business of building a RL stadium Langtree Park is a far more successful example of how it should be done than Salford City Stadium.

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Press conference can be viewed here:

Why have you even posted this on the Lions forum it is no relevance to any Swinton fan.

Indeed the good Dr or Ming as I prefer to refer to him may not be the knight in shining armour they hope for.A search of company directoships indicates that a number of his companies have been either dissolved or liquidated.

I'd much prefer talk of the Lions than Salford, you can talk on there forum where you will get people listening.

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Why have you even posted this on the Lions forum it is no relevance to any Swinton fan.

Indeed the good Dr or Ming as I prefer to refer to him may not be the knight in shining armour they hope for.A search of company directoships indicates that a number of his companies have been either dissolved or liquidated.

I'd much prefer talk of the Lions than Salford, you can talk on there forum where you will get people listening.

That's a shame Alan, Dr Koukash only ever has positive things to say about you.

Perhaps you would like to interrogate duffymoon on the reasons why he started a thread on this forum with the title "SALFORD/KOUKASH"? Based on that title I think its fair to conclude the press conference is perfectly "On Topic" and the title gives fair warning what the content is about. For those who aren't interested there is no need to look.

Personally I felt Dr Koukash explained the reasons for wanting to get involved in rugby league, acknowleged the limitations in his own knowlege at this point in time, gave a very erudite appraisal of the problems presently afflicting Salford City Reds and Salford City Stadium, explained a vision of what he hopes to achieve and how he hopes to do it (and yes that clearly involves developing part of the adjoining land for the purpose of raising money to put into Salford City Reds and that is clearly the tricky part of the deal), showed due respect to the still current owner of Salford City Reds and demonstrated he has already recruited people with experience, insight and knowlege to help him.

All in all - a lot of positive signs that he might prove to be a much needed breath of fresh air.

For me it was also telling that he had very positive words for Salford City Council but said nothing specific about Peel Holdings, which probably indicates the nature of negotiations to date.

There are some bits of his vision that I think are a bit questionable - particularly the extent to which Barton can be transformed to become "the right location". But I hope he gets the opportunity to give it a go.

And there will undoubtedly be an impact on Swinton Lions if you wish to acknowledge that or not. It needn't be all negative by any means.

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Why have you even posted this on the Lions forum it is no relevance to any Swinton fan.

Indeed the good Dr or Ming as I prefer to refer to him may not be the knight in shining armour they hope for.A search of company directoships indicates that a number of his companies have been either dissolved or liquidated.

I'd much prefer talk of the Lions than Salford, you can talk on there forum where you will get people listening.

P.S. On the subject of Dr Koukash having had some companies wound up, I'd be interested to know how you think that compares with the record of David Jones, long serving Company Secretary of Swinton Lions? In his case we are talking about someone; with a criminal record for fraud; who has served a prison sentence; who is a former bankrupt; who was involved in several companies that were forcibly wound up by authorities on the grounds of public interest, and; who was once banned from acting as a director for 10 years!

Presumably all that lot is nothing to worry about?

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P.S. On the subject of Dr Koukash having had some companies wound up, I'd be interested to know how you think that compares with the record of David Jones, long serving Company Secretary of Swinton Lions? In his case we are talking about someone; with a criminal record for fraud; who has served a prison sentence; who is a former bankrupt; who was involved in several companies that were forcibly wound up by authorities on the grounds of public interest, and; who was once banned from acting as a director for 10 years!

Presumably all that lot is nothing to worry about?

I agree with you phil about people's "track record" what you have put is very similar to what angry lion? says on comments in the salford evening news website on articles to do with the pinks, your not the same person are you?. As for Dr koukash I thought he came across quite well, if only swinton lions could find somebody similar to take over the lions and put them back in M27 where they belong instead of all the unforfilled promises we periodically get.

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I think what Alan is saying (and if he isnt I certainly am) is that it seems a little tiresome that we are ready and willing to see an unknown as a saviour to Salford,despite the evidence to the contrary that he isnt THAT rich and as yet he has nothing whatsoever for Rugby League whilst at the same time being willing participants in the denigration of our own board at every given opportunity...and again today in an unpleasant and vitriolic attack on one of our own officials. It really seems if something bad is worth saying once it is worth saying over and over and over again.

Back on topic I hope "Mr" Koukash(I wouldnt be happy for him to examine my piles so hes no Dr)does produce a successful takeover of the club. Its good for Rugby League that no club goes bust. Good for Rugby League that the funding doesnt come from within. And good for Swinton that a rebalancing of the council books may result in a rebalancing of the councils favours in our direction.

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I agree with you phil about people's "track record" what you have put is very similar to what angry lion? says on comments in the salford evening news website on articles to do with the pinks, your not the same person are you?. As for Dr koukash I thought he came across quite well, if only swinton lions could find somebody similar to take over the lions and put them back in M27 where they belong instead of all the unforfilled promises we periodically get.

I assume you meant "unfulfilled promises" there Julian. Can you please tell me at any meeting or on any post where a promise has been made and thus remains unfulfilled.

I know I'm getting on a bit now and the grey matter might not be in as good a working order but I can't seem to remember any promises being made.

Yes time schedules have been said and subsequently passed without anything happening, but and correct me if I am wrong,that doesn't constitute a promise.

As for you request to know if indeed I am Angry Lion sadly I like you do not know the identity of this person and let me tell you I wouldn't hide behind a nick name. I air my views and am happy to put my name to them.

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P.S. On the subject of Dr Koukash having had some companies wound up, I'd be interested to know how you think that compares with the record of David Jones, long serving Company Secretary of Swinton Lions? In his case we are talking about someone; with a criminal record for fraud; who has served a prison sentence; who is a former bankrupt; who was involved in several companies that were forcibly wound up by authorities on the grounds of public interest, and; who was once banned from acting as a director for 10 years!

Presumably all that lot is nothing to worry about?

Whilst you are possibly correct with the points raised concerning Mr Jones's previous history the man did serve his punishment and therefore to suggest, by stating "all that lot is nothing to worry about" could possibly set you on sticky ground there Phil.

I again stand by my post that his( Mings) video is irrelevant for posting on this forum.

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Im at a bit of a loss to why Jonesy should be given a rough ride. the guy is very approachable and a true Swinton fan. hope all your facts are 110% right Phil as im sure that may well cost you a few quid in court if not!

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The ironically named but highly respected David Conn of the Independent, and the MEN and Bury Times, all gave extensive coverage of the "exploits" of David Jones (and his business partner Paul Barratt), including all the details listed, when the MANSPORT consortium attempted to take over Bury FC in the wake of Hughie Eaves leaving the Shakers in danger of disappearing from sight.

Hughie Eaves having also owned 90% of the shares in Swinton Lions at one point. That paragon of virtue Malcolm White had the other 10% at that time. Surely people are aware that Hughie Eaves hardly has an honorable track record of financial affairs.

The investigation led to David Conn winning a couple of awards and a standing ovation at Gigg Lane from Bury FC supporters grateful that an alternative way forward was found once the details he uncovered were printed. He is a very prominent commentator on football finance to this day.

All this stuff has been in the public domain for years.

To say the least it is "a bit rich" for a Swinton Lions supporter to now throw aspersions at Dr Marwan Koukash (he's a Doctor of Electrical Engineering and not medicine by the way Mark, and you don't have 100 horses of good ability in training without being in the "very rich" category) when the people running the Lions include someone that has been convicted and served a prison sentence for fraud.

I find it very sad that people still seem to be willingly blind to the standard of person that has been involved in the running of Swinton Lions over the years, as its a big part of the reason why the club has fallen so far from grace and a problem the club still has to face up to if it is ever to properly re-establish itself.

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I just wish phil that swinton lions could find a similar person to Dr koukash to take over and actually build a new ground in m27 not just talk about building one and delivering nothing, im sick of all the false hope we have been given over the years its about time something "concrete" happened not just the usual "the planning permission will go in by" "the ground can be built in" "were in talks with the council" . i could go on and on.

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I just wish phil that swinton lions could find a similar person to Dr koukash to take over and actually build a new ground in m27 not just talk about building one and delivering nothing, im sick of all the false hope we have been given over the years its about time something "concrete" happened not just the usual "the planning permission will go in by" "the ground can be built in" "were in talks with the council" . i could go on and on.

If I won the jackpot on the lottery, Julian, I'd buy Swinton Lions tomorrow. For a fair price of course.

Someone once said that The easiest way to get £100,000 out of a rugby league club is to invest a million and wait until you've lost 90%."

I think it was Martyn Sadler. (?)

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The ironically named but highly respected David Conn of the Independent, and the MEN and Bury Times, all gave extensive coverage of the "exploits" of David Jones (and his business partner Paul Barratt), including all the details listed, when the MANSPORT consortium attempted to take over Bury FC in the wake of Hughie Eaves leaving the Shakers in danger of disappearing from sight.

Hughie Eaves having also owned 90% of the shares in Swinton Lions at one point. That paragon of virtue Malcolm White had the other 10% at that time. Surely people are aware that Hughie Eaves hardly has an honorable track record of financial affairs.

The investigation led to David Conn winning a couple of awards and a standing ovation at Gigg Lane from Bury FC supporters grateful that an alternative way forward was found once the details he uncovered were printed. He is a very prominent commentator on football finance to this day.

All this stuff has been in the public domain for years.

To say the least it is "a bit rich" for a Swinton Lions supporter to now throw aspersions at Dr Marwan Koukash (he's a Doctor of Electrical Engineering and not medicine by the way Mark, and you don't have 100 horses of good ability in training without being in the "very rich" category) when the people running the Lions include someone that has been convicted and served a prison sentence for fraud.

I find it very sad that people still seem to be willingly blind to the standard of person that has been involved in the running of Swinton Lions over the years, as its a big part of the reason why the club has fallen so far from grace and a problem the club still has to face up to if it is ever to properly re-establish itself.

Bearing in mind that you originally put the video on and wanted a reaction regarding Koukash you have now gone on to identify and comment about the previous history of Mr Jones, one which you rightly point out has been open knowledge since the incident and of course for which he duly served his punishment.

I threw no aspersions at Koukash and certainly in no way suggested his dissolution and liquidation of companies were anything to do with illegal dealings so why you felt the need to bring Mr Jones in to it I don't know. I only pointed out ( the information being available at Companies House) that a number of companies he had been involved in had for whatever reason been closed down and you may want to question why that may be.

If that prompts you then to link that to Swinton well then that's your choice.

By the way Phil if you want to quote anything I say I have no problem in you naming me (Alan Marshall) as opposed to a "Swinton Lions fan throwing aspertions".

It also seems that I am not the only one to think you were wrong in saying what you have.

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SWINTON are playing rugby tonight gentlemen...just thought i'd throw it out there.

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