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He has resigned. Apparently he said that he cant get a pass during training, let alone in a match.

its a shame because i believe that he was due a testimonial this year.

i dont know the player or any of the team personally, but why when this is a pro team can a player not get a pass of the ball even in training???? is the player disliked? seen as this is a newish squad and nixon has been there years i cant see how he would make enemy's so soon, IF that is the problem. usualy when a player doesnt receive a pass is when they are disliked, but that seems abit year 9ish to me.

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One thing, we've got a high class left wing (Nicko), we've got probably the best left sided second row outside Soopa League (Bull), we also have a pretty good left centre (Twiggy).

When we was riding highin 2009 as RAIDERSRUS has said we had Os, Ned, Bull and Nicko doing the left side stuff, The statoes out there will be able to tell us how many tries that group alone yealded.

How hard is it to work it out that this is one area where we need to do work on the training paddock to bring big results.

Bull was part of that group, he is now the gaffer on the field so I find it hard to understand why we can't resurrect that kind of move again. I know we haven't got Rooney at 6 anymore but we aren't bereft of talent in the halves.

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Terrible loss for the team, we've got a lot of good hard working players who will not let us down but real pace is something else.

His tries from Rooney's kicks from the scrum a couple of seasons ago showed us what he can do.

If he's fed up with getting no passes im a match that;s unfortunate but if he doesn't get passes in training then Holty has a bigger problem

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It will be interesting to find out what the clubs aims are for this season, I cannot see us getting high up in the table with the team in championship next to the other clubs that are already established in this league but poor results will loose the finiky supporters and may cause relegation

not an easy year

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thats my main fear as well Neil......fickle supporters deserting if we lose 3 or 4 on the bounce

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Money will be required for floodlights and any increase with traveling players to remain in championship and the team must not end up bottom of the table, so aiming for Gold will be suicidle on the financial aspect. My fear would be not just overspending on players but streching the budget beyond what the club can aford. The buisness plan I developed always showed a tight year in 2012 and 2013 and there would be less avenues if another financial crisis hit the club.

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Do we not get any kind of subsidies of the RL for travelling players because we are so far out.

'It will be interesting to find out what the clubs aims are for this season', I suppose the question will be asked at the forthcoming AGM

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Gary I am sure you will find out tomorrow night that the disbursments from the RFL are half of what we had last year due to the clubs requirements during 2012

I may be wrong but I believe that Barrow is the only club in Championship that does not now have the lighting lux levels required and with the need for £100k to facilitate the lighting it puts Barrow on the back foot financialy. On the other hand I believe from the many financial meetings I had with the RFL that once Barrow is back on its feet it is one of the only clubs in Rugby League that can turn a profit if the support remains and is managed corectly.

The future is bright if its carefully managed

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If we get the 100k out the way we should be alright. If we can average 1600 a season I think that'll be easily enough to break even in a 14 team division and still have a fairly strong squad of our own players.

As long as we own the ground we'll be alright, the big goal for the club is getting the 100k at the minute and having a positive season in the CC and we definitely have the right people at the club too achieve both.

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Evening all,

Interesting reading this thread so I thought I would try to put a few peoples mind at rest. Firstly, the rumours regarding Nicko leaving due to not getting a pass( either in training or during a game) are completely untrue and unfounded and whoever started the rumour will be happy that so many supporters have been taken in by it- it has certainly surprised me. The reason for Nickos recent absence is due to an ongoing personal and internal issue which is yet to be resolved and knowing him I would think he will be chuckling slightly at the thought ot a player of his integrity and honesty retiring a year before his testemonial year because players refuse to pass him the ball? A little bit of patience is needed, and I still have hope that Nicko will remain with the squad for a couple more seasons yet although its ultimately Jame's decision.

Secondly, I keep reading with interest about concerns over the size of our forward pack this season. Very briefly:

Matt Haggarty 6ft 6Ins-105kg

Brad Brennan 6ft 3Ins- 105kg

Mike Whitehead 6ft 5Ins-109kg

Ruari McGoff 6ft 3Ins-110kg

Jamie Butler 6ft 5Ins-101kg

Andy Dawson 6ft 1Ins-100kg

Liam Harrison 6ft 2Ins-100kg

Kurt Haggerty 6ft 3Ins-102kg

Danny Jones 6ft 1Ins- 103kg

Jack Spencer 6ft- 98kg.

That leaves Dan Toal( who runs/tackles well above his weight) and the 4 Hookers. I havn't got the time but maybe MASH could do a comparison with other teams in our league........I think the results would be surprising. Whilst losing the Keighley game, after watching the DVD 3-4 times, it confirmed that we completely dominated the entire 80 mins upfront and only several defensive lapses and an average kicking game( 2nd half) took the game away from us.

Prior to any season, just like last year if I remember, many fans have concerns but 'size' is certainly not one of them. IMHO our squad is stronger in both depth and quality this year and the reaction from the boys has been superb throughout a tough(albeit short) pre-season. What I'm meaning to say guys is put some faith in these boys........they didn't let you down last year - they won't let you down this year.

Again, sorry for interupting the Forum............I'm sat here feeling like I'm intruding but I don't see the harm in a pre season rallying call!!

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Averaging 1600 may be possible but if we start losing a few the support will tail off and that goal may be hard to achieve. A winning side brings in more punters simples so we have to get a few good wins under our belt early on...bit of a task that in this division !

Welcome back Holty lad glad you are posting and I for one want to wish the players and the coaching staff all the best for the coming season. Im sure there will be ups and downs but whatever happens i'll be there at all the home games and try to catch as many away as is possible.

Lee

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Where's the "Like" button? Nice 1 Darren.

It's not always about size.. some of our best wins have been againts bigger teams but the expansive rugby we used to play seen us threw. I hope we get the conditions to allow the team to play like this and nicco is waiting on the wing to finish things off.. Remember the year he had Adam Hughes as his center!

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Barrows pack is pretty big looking at the stats Holty has provided, but what I like about it that it's a mobile pack who you will get plenty of minutes out of ( not like Frank Watene who's only good for 10-15 minutes ). On the James Nixon subject, I hope he stays on because he still has something to offer at this level, when confident he can be the best winger in the league.

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Scott maca

Jjp png international

James Cameron

So the mighty town have better don't think so

Mcavoy - ok agree possibly one of the top centres in the division, always rated him.

JJP - has the pedigree, just left it in PNG last season.

Cameron - Has he had a haven shirt on yet??

So probably better than towns centres on paper, but plenty haven fans thought you had the best squad in the division on paper last season.

I would take Nixon at Town, I'm not convinced by Calderwood, Killer is out for a month so Nixon would be quite welcome at the minute.

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Holty,

Nice to see you posting on here and standing by your players. You know how I feel about the coaching staff and back room support. I know the team will give 110% in all games and I will be standing there home and away when I can. People need to understand that the 2013 season is going to be tough and we are going to lose more than we win but it's about how we play not the result this season.As a rugby fan I want to see a competitive game win, lose or draw and I hope we can achieve this with the squad you have produced this year.

I know Nico is passionate about Barrow and wouldn't leave over something so trivial, however fans a fickle creatures and once something is perceived it sticks. Personally I am no longer in a position where I have knowledge of what is happening with the players and would like to believe that things can be sorted with Nico whatever the problem is.

Good luck this season and I know we will shock a few teams this season and just imagine not being at a game when we turn over one of the big boys...lol

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Averaging 1600 may be possible but if we start losing a few the support will tail off and that goal may be hard to achieve. A winning side brings in more punters simples so we have to get a few good wins under our belt early on...bit of a task that in this division !

Welcome back Holty lad glad you are posting and I for one want to wish the players and the coaching staff all the best for the coming season. Im sure there will be ups and downs but whatever happens i'll be there at all the home games and try to catch as many away as is possible.

Lee

Lee, I know you are barrow through and through but we will not get an average of 1600 through the gates this season! In my opinion we will average around 1000. I pray to god that the BoD have not based budgets thinking we are going to match last years gates..I may be wrong as I left before the end of the season but I believe it was an average of around 1300. This is still an amazing support even in Championship rugby and if I'm wrong it's a bonus.

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Well gates are gonna be 2 down this year since the wife and I live in sydney now!!

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The gates are the bigest income for any club and every 100 that there down by equates to over £1000 plus bar and snack takings. Last year the goal was greater in my opinion and that was to end up at or near the top and gain promotion, this year the goal cannot be to win the league as realism will kick in at some stage. Some may expect more gate numbers due to the higher league and this may be true from the travelling fans to Barrow but I would guess that the home crowd will be down on last year.

We have already seen a masive drop in the gate numbers on the freindlys to last year and with loosing the bigest freindly the coffers will already be hurting.

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Great post Holty I don't think your intruding, it's good to have someone who knows what's going on putting the record straight.

I know you have a lot on your plate but I for one would look forward to the odd post from you in the coming months.

On the crowd numbers 1600 average could be achieved but it would need some pro activity from the club.

Some ideas here, they are not original but have been seen to work

1) kids in free with a paying parent,

2) Junior tournaments before kick off or half time (2 parents for the price of one)

3) Half price for Barrow AFC season ticket holders

4) half price for members of local Sports clubs

5) offer a special deal to local RL clubs bring 10 or more people and get half of the money back in cash back to the local club.

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Scott maca is back from a season out, jjp was terrible last year for being and international and James Cameron? How many times you seen him play? Heard he did nothing against gateshead! I would have nico anyday

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Lee, I know you are barrow through and through but we will not get an average of 1600 through the gates this season! In my opinion we will average around 1000. I pray to god that the BoD have not based budgets thinking we are going to match last years gates..I may be wrong as I left before the end of the season but I believe it was an average of around 1300. This is still an amazing support even in Championship rugby and if I'm wrong it's a bonus.

Why will we average 1000? I don't see how we can be 200/300 down from last year when in a better competition with better away support. We have some massive games at home this year aganst Workington, Whitehaven, Featherstone and Halifax. Played on a sunday with good advertisement and built up properly these games could easily hit the 2k mark. Workington got 1850 last season at home and Whitehaven got 1700 on a thursday night.

If we averaged 1300 last season, and we averaged 2200 in the 09 season surely we can get a third of the 900 fans we last to attend games regardless of a winning team or not.

I can't see your logic in crowds going down from last year. It just doesn't make sense with bigger away support and bigger names coming to town. The likes of Halifax are coming instead of Gateshead? How is that going to decrease crowds even if we've lost the last couple of games (which we might not of done anyways)

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Like I said I hope I'm wrong..but I hope the BoD have allowed for lower gates when budgeting for 2013. I would have looked at a reduction of at least 25% to 30% of the gate over the whole season not just certain games.

When I budget in my business we take the expected turnover and look at the risk or % of returns for example if we made £100k over the turnstiles last season but you are not absolutely sure you would hit that again then the 100k would remain in the budget with a say 20% risk. Giving a predicted budget of £80k...budgets should never be figures pulled out of the sky they should be risk assessed and reviewed monthly.

In my opinion we you have to look at the history when we are not winning all our games and I'm afraid history dictates that gates will drop...by how many would have to be assessed on season ticket holder which are counted in attendance and the expected number of games which crowds my rise. To just pull figures and say oh yes we will have at least 1500 at each game will kill the club financialy..

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Your saying we should budget for at least a 30% decrease in gates from last year. Thats saying we should budget for an average of 910 crowds.

So on the back of a promotion we should forecast nearly 400 fans not coming through the turnstyles on average every game. We got 875 against Keighly 11 days after christmas on a miserable day when most people are skint due to the festive period. I just can't see your logic in losing so many fans on the back of a promotion. Budgeting on those crowds will see us relegated I'm afraid.

Also I don't see why you're coming across as we are going to have a 2005 season. I'm happy with how the squad is this season. Every home game is winnable and so are most away games apart from the bigger teams like featherstone and fax. This division is going to be very tight and entertaining and I'm sure the board would of budgeted correctly for the coming season.

But crowds arn't going to decrease too a thousand.

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2012 Team Gate Comp

8/1/12 BARLA 932 Frendly

14/1/12 Wigan 857 Frendly

22/1/12 Swinton 752 Frendly

28/1/12 Workington 794 Frendly

These were last years Stats on freindlys

This year

2013 Team Gate Comp

Keighley 875 Frendly

BARLA 555 Frendly

Whithaven 0 Freindly Called off

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