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Honor James

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He's clearly old enough to make a valid point.

He's clearly old enough to access a computer, his worldly experiences seem limited but if he is a youngster with an interest in the game then he will have plenty time to feast at lifes tables and learn from his time there - and should be encouraged to do so.

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I am suprised you are not familiar with the joint study undertaken by Clayton Christensen of Harvard in conjunction with Jeffrey Pfeffer of Stanford, arguably the worlds two greatest professors of Business. A detailed insight was obtained regarding the motivation of Global sports fans and the direct link with benefit selling in maximising attendence at sports stadia.

And yet sport in the USA seems to get along just fine without P&R.

Maybe their backwoodsmen don't have internet access yet?

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yet he appears confused by thinking Leeds and Wigan will meet at OT again, they have met only once in the gf. He also thinks the teams at the top are the same, ignoring Wire and Catalan.

Do me a favour and tell me how many times Wire and Catalans have won SL.

Or appeared in the grand final.

I don't think the fact that Pies and Rhinos have only met once in the GF changes the probability that they will this year. You'd have to be mad to bet against Leeds being there and who has a better chance than Wigan for being their opponents?

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And yet sport in the USA seems to get along just fine without P&R.

Maybe their backwoodsmen don't have internet access yet?

You are excused due to your location - may your God bless you.

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You seem unable to grasp the difference between detractors of the Championship as a spectacle from Championship fans who are aware of the challenges they face due to the cul-de-sac its played in.

You watch a film because the reviews are good, you leave the cinema and say 'that was a great film' - you dont go back every week to watch it again for 50 years, because thats what sports fans do when they have allegiance to a club. When it becomes no point fans drop off as the passion drops with it. The nervous intensity at GF's that lead to promotion was fantastic, if you ask the few Fartown fans it was the most nervous night of their lives, ask Salford fans about the difference in 2003 and 2008? ask Cas about Headingley etc I have been to many SL GF's - nothing on the old NL GF's. - that passion has gone.

You may not be aware that a film at a cinema doesn't change if you view it a second time or a third. It stays exactly the same and that's why most of us watch it only once.

Each rugby league game and every season is a unique experience.

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You are excused due to your location - may your God bless you.

You can't cope with logical arguments can you?

(FYI I have been a supporter of a current CC team for nearly 40 years.)

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How old are you?

Given that I've stood on the terraces at non-SL grounds, I must be part of the ageing hardcore. Or at least I might be if I didn't live in Turin.

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Do me a favour and tell me how many times Wire and Catalans have won SL.

Or appeared in the grand final.

I don't think the fact that Pies and Rhinos have only met once in the GF changes the probability that they will this year. You'd have to be mad to bet against Leeds being there and who has a better chance than Wigan for being their opponents?

well Wire are bookies favourite and appeared in the last GF.

You suggested monotony by saying Wigan would probably meet Leeds 'again' at OT. Set up a prediction thread, I suspect you'd get a minority predicting Leeds v Wigan - yet you suggest this is likely 'again' - 14ish years after their only ever meeting in the final.

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I love sweaty craiq

Anyone who doesn't at least go half way to agreeing that the removal of P&R has had a detrimental affect on Championship clubs is just plain argumentative for arguments sake.

I can't see it coming back, even though I wish it would.

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Anyone who doesn't at least go half way to agreeing that the removal of P&R has had a detrimental affect on Championship clubs is just plain argumentative for arguments sake.

I can't see it coming back, even though I wish it would.

Well I wont be taking sky sports and premier sports up again until it comes back. I wonder how many other disillusioned people there are?

A second tier with no promotion for the best team is a joke and a turn off. Its a shame because the actual second and third tier this year would be fantastic with that ultimate carrot.

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And yet sport in the USA seems to get along just fine without P&R.

Maybe their backwoodsmen don't have internet access yet?

No they don't have p and r, they have a conference system which allows all qualified participants to feast at the table, but that's a no no over here as well. All we want is ring fenced exclusivity for ever and ever more.

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Well I wont be taking sky sports and premier sports up again until it comes back. I wonder how many other disillusioned people there are?

Not enough to stop record attendances or viewing figures. Even on Mondays!

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No they don't have p and r, they have a conference system which allows all qualified participants to feast at the table, but that's a no no over here as well. All we want is ring fenced exclusivity for ever and ever more.

sorry mate I don't get that argument - ask Seattle sonics fans what they think about that, and many many more teams bought and sold and moved at the whim of rich men. Do any search of any area of the states and you will find city after city in the 150,000 - 200,000 range and even much bigger, in fact whole regions happily supporting minor league teams that will never get into the majors, and certainly in no structured way. The conference system is just a way to determine who gets to play offs not a way of giving all a fair go.

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I love sweaty craiq

Anyone who doesn't at least go half way to agreeing that the removal of P&R has had a detrimental affect on Championship clubs is just plain argumentative for arguments sake.

I can't see it coming back, even though I wish it would.

Maggie you will forever be in my heart, the times we have spent together will always be special to me. You are lost on that dark side of't hill, find those photo's he has of you and return to the breast of the land that raised you Gal.

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You can't cope with logical arguments can you?

(FYI I have been a supporter of a current CC team for nearly 40 years.)

What is a CC team, I can work out one C is for Championship are two Championship Club?

Bless you Johnny, how's the snow in HW land

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sorry mate I don't get that argument - ask Seattle sonics fans what they think about that, and many many more teams bought and sold and moved at the whim of rich men. Do any search of any area of the states and you will find city after city in the 150,000 - 200,000 range and even much bigger, in fact whole regions happily supporting minor league teams that will never get into the majors, and certainly in no structured way. The conference system is just a way to determine who gets to play offs not a way of giving all a fair go.

How many of those minor league teams have been successful major league teams in the past?

The model most people in the UK are familiar with is footballs P&R system. RL used to have a very good one too with 4up/down which created lots of interest, sadness and joy. Now it is utter ####

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well Wire are bookies favourite and appeared in the last GF.

You suggested monotony by saying Wigan would probably meet Leeds 'again' at OT. Set up a prediction thread, I suspect you'd get a minority predicting Leeds v Wigan - yet you suggest this is likely 'again' - 14ish years after their only ever meeting in the final.

Can you think of any other recent Leeds Wigan finals? Not too hard is it?

SL has been dominated by four sides: Leeds, Wigan, Saints, Bradford - every single title has been won by one of these four clubs - not only that but only two other clubs Wire and Hull have made final appearences (1 each). I think that's monotomy.

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How many of those minor league teams have been successful major league teams in the past?

The model most people in the UK are familiar with is footballs P&R system. RL used to have a very good one too with 4up/down which created lots of interest, sadness and joy. Now it is utter ####

whats that got to do with the price of fish? Your team fails in the states, it gets sold to someone else thousands f miles away, or if someone just fancies moving then they do - the Brooklyn dodgers for example. I prefer p and r but p and r fans holding up the states as a model is just plain weird, no amount of semantics will cover that

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Can you think of any other recent Leeds Wigan finals? Not too hard is it?

SL has been dominated by four sides: Leeds, Wigan, Saints, Bradford - every single title has been won by one of these four clubs - not only that but only two other clubs Wire and Hull have made final appearences (1 each). I think that's monotomy.

my memory must be playin tricks - I cant recall another Wigan v Leeds gf.

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my memory must be playin tricks - I cant recall another Wigan v Leeds gf.

No, but think Challenge Cup. That's what I was thinking when I wrote that. Only obvious I had remembered it as being a gf.

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Can you think of any other recent Leeds Wigan finals? Not too hard is it?

SL has been dominated by four sides: Leeds, Wigan, Saints, Bradford - every single title has been won by one of these four clubs - not only that but only two other clubs Wire and Hull have made final appearences (1 each). I think that's monotomy.

So in days of yore when Huddersfield won everything it was perfect, then again Widnes (the cup Kings) and Hull in the good old days just shared the spoils,

Bradford are now, it seems, out for a while and another team will step up.

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sorry mate I don't get that argument - ask Seattle sonics fans what they think about that, and many many more teams bought and sold and moved at the whim of rich men. Do any search of any area of the states and you will find city after city in the 150,000 - 200,000 range and even much bigger, in fact whole regions happily supporting minor league teams that will never get into the majors, and certainly in no structured way. The conference system is just a way to determine who gets to play offs not a way of giving all a fair go.

I didnt say the team couldn t be moved. They can and they do get moved as do the Crusaders, the Broncos and the most famous, the Wigan, Liverpool, London, Huyton, Runcorn, Prescott team in RL. The Sonics, the Colts and any others that moved were never removed from the league.

The minor league teams you quote are the equivalent of Conference and Barla teams over here . All member teams of the NFL, NBA, NHL and major league baseball are in conferences of their requisite leagues . All are equal, there are no lower divisons and hence no need for p and r. If new teams want to join the league, they apply, and, if accepted, join and are equal to the others. They expand without removing existing teams.

The minor league teams you quote are like the current twinned CC teams except that they are not members of the major league but have a working relationship with a major league team to play and develop their young prospects. They are true feeder teams.

RL has neither p and r nor conferences, so whilst all teams are members of the RFL,they are not equal, they are divided into divisions based of playing standard and there is no movement into the top league without a current top tier team being removed. The removed team may not have finished at the bottom, they are just unlucky.

The logjam of teams wanting to be in the top flight is holding back the aspirations of the better Championship teams. This can be resolved in the typical British fashion by p and r. This creates problems for the relegated team. It can be resolved by licencing although this is a slow and tortuous process and the removed team still has problems, or may have because it has never actually been done yet so we don t really know..

The americans resolve this by having licencing or franchising but link it to conferences so that they create seperate but equal divisions within the league and can expand and admit qualified teams but not boot out an existing member team.

I think this is a good way to go to solve the problems the top CC clubs are experiencing in moving up to he top tier. There are no more than three or four CC teams that can even be considered for top tier status and I would let them all in and create a two conference top tier SL. The remaining CC clubs could compete in a lower tier competition and be admitted to the top tier as and when they were ready. The big drawback is that the money is not there to support a conference style expanded SL, so we are left with p and r as an alternative. However we dont have that either and our top Cc clubs are stuck in limbo as regards any ambitions for SL.

I am sorry I am rambling a bit as i am very tired but that is my take on the p and r versus conference solution to the top tier ambitions for non included teams problem.

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How many of those minor league teams have been successful major league teams in the past?

The model most people in the UK are familiar with is footballs P&R system. RL used to have a very good one too with 4up/down which created lots of interest, sadness and joy. Now it is utter ####

No four upand four down was too much. it created major yo yo itis

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whats that got to do with the price of fish? Your team fails in the states, it gets sold to someone else thousands f miles away, or if someone just fancies moving then they do - the Brooklyn dodgers for example. I prefer p and r but p and r fans holding up the states as a model is just plain weird, no amount of semantics will cover that

What is to stop any SL owner from moving his team to another City. It has been done recently when Crusaders moved from South Wales to North Wales.

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Can you think of any other recent Leeds Wigan finals? Not too hard is it?

SL has been dominated by four sides: Leeds, Wigan, Saints, Bradford - every single title has been won by one of these four clubs - not only that but only two other clubs Wire and Hull have made final appearences (1 each). I think that's monotomy.

No, but think Challenge Cup. That's what I was thinking when I wrote that. Only obvious I had remembered it as being a gf.

There's been one GF and one CCF in all of the SL era to feature Leeds vs Wigan. The same number as Hull vs Saints. In fact Leeds vs Wire equalled that in just one season. So to talk like Leeds vs Wigan is some kind of monotony is off the mark.

On top of that, you've tried to get out of this by saying that the big clubs never change, and that Wire aren't included because they've only appeared in one GF. It's weird how we can easily ignore 3 CC victories out of the last 4 years, but when we need to find an extra final to push Leeds vs Wigan to a massive 2 it's ok.

The favourites for the title are Wire. I'll start with them as having a better chance of being in the GF than Wigan. That kind of goes against your monotony that isn't there.

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