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An Interesting Approach to Dual Reg.....

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To be fair to myself, I was typing my post and did post it whilst the other post was being put on here and was not aware of those financial rules when I posted.

However, those salary cap financial penalties notwithstanding, just what is the reason that SL clubs have dual registered their complete playing staff. What is in it for them by doing that. ? There is usually no smoke without fire.

I refer the gentleman to the post above his. That is my take on it from information I have been given.

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And it may well end fantastically for the totality of the game even SL.

Hetherington is the smart cookey (with apologies to Cookey :D ) he has trebled the RL fanbase in Leeds during my time in the game, and he has created a vibrant amateur scene in the city well in excess of what I could ever have dreamed of.

AND he has plans for more of the same.

Mr. Hetherington really is the only choice to lead RL into the future and his management of the game in Leeds should be extended to him managing it across the country.

The junior and amateure game in Leeds was thriving long before Hetherington arrived on the scene Hunslet junior clubs were producing the likes of Jason Robinson James Lowes and Kelvin Skerret long before Hetherington got involved at Leeds

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To further protect the integrity of the Championships all dual-registered players receive a nominal salary cap classification which limits the use of high value players in the competition. Regardless of the actual cost to the club, the salary cap value of the Super League player will equate to an appearance fee which would count towards the Championship clubs salary cap.

* SL player salary £100k+ adds - £1,500 per game to Championship clubs salary cap

SL player salary £60k - £99,999 adds - £1,000 per game

SL player salary £40k - £59,999 adds - £750 per game

SL player salary £20k - £39,999 adds - £500

SL salary Under £20k adds - actual costs incurred.

Just to put a stop to all the "what ifs".

Useful and interesting information and certainly more than I have been able to find out,thanks. At present champs clubs have to comply both with a finite cap £300k/£150k and with a cap at 40% of turnover, do you know if the 40% cap is being retained and if so will twinned clubs be required to get their DR players nominal values under the 40% cap or just the finite cap?

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Useful and interesting information and certainly more than I have been able to find out,thanks. At present champs clubs have to comply both with a finite cap £300k/£150k and with a cap at 40% of turnover, do you know if the 40% cap is being retained and if so will twinned clubs be required to get their DR players nominal values under the 40% cap or just the finite cap?

I don't think there is any change to what was in place last season on that score. The information I posted is available at the bottom of page 19 of this weeks RL Express and although it explains the salary cap rules for SL there is no mention of Championship salary cap changes.

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I'm happy to discuss the Local Government Act 1972 - and the eight or so subsequent Local Government Acts - with you on a separate thread if you wish.

The thread is on, The any other business/sports thread

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TBF I don't think it excites anyone - but a statement such as 'anyone who is CC standard shouldn;t be on SL books is nonsense'.

Most of the DR players will be young lads looking to make the step up.

The only way your first statement can ever make sense is by registering the whole SL squad as dual reg. and that is the only way you can justify calling my post the way you did. I also strongly disagree because of the precise opposite, in that most lads who would justifiably be classed as DR will not, have not and never will make the "step up". It is a fraction that make it, not the majority

And I reiterate that the DR of the whole squad is like walking into Ratners and asking for a gold chain. Is it gold or not? If it is treat at such and keep it's value high. If it's not then don't pretend it is. Don't devalue your premium products! The parallel with this debacle and the debate about the size of SL rings true here also.

If you really want a truely Super League then do not devalue the quality. Surely this is something that most fans of SL crave, high quality stars that people admire. So it seems an oxymoron to me to be able to crave and even demand high quality but then state that sub standard SL players should still be in SL squads and that even SL standard players should be DR's.

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The only way your first statement can ever make sense is by registering the whole SL squad as dual reg. and that is the only way you can justify calling my post the way you did. I also strongly disagree because of the precise opposite, in that most lads who would justifiably be classed as DR will not, have not and never will make the "step up". It is a fraction that make it, not the majority

And I reiterate that the DR of the whole squad is like walking into Ratners and asking for a gold chain. Is it gold or not? If it is treat at such and keep it's value high. If it's not then don't pretend it is. Don't devalue your premium products! The parallel with this debacle and the debate about the size of SL rings true here also.

If you really want a truely Super League then do not devalue the quality. Surely this is something that most fans of SL crave, high quality stars that people admire. So it seems an oxymoron to me to be able to crave and even demand high quality but then state that sub standard SL players should still be in SL squads and that even SL standard players should be DR's.

I'm still not really sure what you are actually saying.

It will be used for fringe players - Wire have Brad Dwyer on DR at Swinton, yet he has played SL and I suspect he will play SL again, he just has quality players ahead of him at the moment. He is still learning his trade.

Similar with Liam Hood, Matty Blythe and so on.

How is that bit hard to understand - players can easily play in the Championships on DR but we good enough for a SL squad (only 17 players can be selected remember).

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The thread is on, The any other business/sports thread

You're a very sad person, shun.

But I have sought to educate you.

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I dont know if you have seen but Hunslet have only got 4 Leeds Rhinos on dual reg

But that's all if and maybes, i dont agree with an entire squad been dual reg to another club, and our supporters would never accept it, we have had all on convincing them that 4 quality youngsters from Leeds will be beneficial.

Genuine question, BH. The registration this week of Leuluai and Moore is clearly incompatible with your earlier posts, quoted above, is this a sign that Hunslet's approach to DR has now changed or do Leeds have a different view of how DR should work and is that being imposed upon you?

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poor keighley

It's actually for Keighley players to go to Cas to get game time ;)

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And why are Keighley doing this? So they don't get left behind.

I understand why they're doing this, it's simply because so many other teams have, however to me, it's sad to see that the key reason given is that, rather than the best way to develop RL talent in the area.

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Genuine question, BH. The registration this week of Leuluai and Moore is clearly incompatible with your earlier posts, quoted above, is this a sign that Hunslet's approach to DR has now changed or do Leeds have a different view of how DR should work and is that being imposed upon you?

We always said we would want 4 dual reg on long term registrations, which has happened, but we only initially had 3 in Keinhorst, Watson and Hood, Barry Eaton has always wanted to bring in Moore as the 4th but that wasn't an option at the start, but circumstances have changed and although i dont think Moore will be on a season long dual reg i think he will more than likely play more times for Hunslet than Leeds this season. As for Leuluai, we got offered him and Barry wanted to take him, its as simple as that. I dont think our stance has changed, we will have the 4 on long term registrations which was the plan, but obviously if the coach gets offered a player, the coach gets paid to decide if he wants to bring that player in to the club, Barry gets paid to make them decisions and as a club we will back him.

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It's actually for Keighley players to go to Cas to get game time ;)

ah that makes sense..............

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We always said we would want 4 dual reg on long term registrations, which has happened, but we only initially had 3 in Keinhorst, Watson and Hood, Barry Eaton has always wanted to bring in Moore as the 4th but that wasn't an option at the start, but circumstances have changed and although i dont think Moore will be on a season long dual reg i think he will more than likely play more times for Hunslet than Leeds this season. As for Leuluai, we got offered him and Barry wanted to take him, its as simple as that. I dont think our stance has changed, we will have the 4 on long term registrations which was the plan, but obviously if the coach gets offered a player, the coach gets paid to decide if he wants to bring that player in to the club, Barry gets paid to make them decisions and as a club we will back him.

Real big names (as Leuluai is) may well be a way of bringing in the fans, as well as winning is.

The low attendance against Barrow was an indicator that the club must take every big name it can, and must win every game it can.

So perfectly understandable.

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When Widnes announced that they had dual registered the whole of their squad (with exceptions) with Workington there was a mass outcry but as I look at it now it seems as if their only fault was to announce it. Other Championship clubs have their pick of their linked SL clubs players that are offered and this as far as the average fan knows could be any SL player. I suppose dual registering the whole squad at one go saves on administration and filling forms every other week for whichever players the SL club are making available.

The silence from Mr Wood at the RFL on this subject is deafening. I would like to hear from him about how this system does not affect the integrity of the Championship competition but I guess he hasn't even noticed the uproar it has caused.

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The silence from Mr Wood at the RFL on this subject is deafening. I would like to hear from him about how this system does not affect the integrity of the Championship competition but I guess he hasn't even noticed the uproar it has caused.

Why would he have not noticed?

If it affects the integrity of the competition then the clubs in the competition who do not like the way things are going as members of the RFL have a right to take to task their fellow member clubs that choose to go that way.

As 9 out of 15 CC clubs have decided to go "A" team then "The ayes have it".

What do you expect Mr. Wood to do?

Go against the majority vote??

As for the "uproar" I have noticed that about 20 people on here are "uproarious" at the changes but as 151,000 people pay to watch rugby league I don't see why Mr. Wood should take any notice of a minority of 0.0015% of the fans?

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Go and sample about 1,000 supporters from Championship clubs Parky, then publish the results, and then we'll take notice of your sarcastic and bombastic cr ap that adds zero to the debate.

The DR scenario that is unravelling is becoming a step too far for many.

For the first time in 35 years of watching the game I'm both p!s$ed-off and sceptic as to its future, and thats with taking P and R away which I don't agree with, but its a fact of life at the moment and a phase of structure that the game is going through, so I'll live with it. I've defended RL to the hilt with those whose wish to degenerate it, but not now, I agree with them. The current DR & loan arrangements are divisive and not fit for purpose.

The majority haven't gone with DR of their own stand-alone volition.

The integrity of the competition has been compromised within a week.

The RFL should go into mass production of colanders, they devise everything with a huge number holes in them. Posters on here weeks ago could see this, but were shouted down.

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two of our current squad initially joined the club on dual reg joe mellor from wigan and chris dean from stains........both impressed enough to earn a full time move when we were given a license.

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Go and sample about 1,000 supporters from Championship clubs Parky, then publish the results, and then we'll take notice of your sarcastic and bombastic cr ap that adds zero to the debate.

The DR scenario that is unravelling is becoming a step too far for many.

You go and sample championship supporters.

Even if you come back with 19,000 cheesed off as regards P & R and DR that's still to be set against 132,000 fans who are quite OK with Superleague thank you very much.

But as we see on here there are plenty of championship fans who are happy to live with things, like their club, like championship Rugby and will carry on enjoying the game, and be thankful their clubs have taken the decisions they have.

As has been said there's a voiciferous minority on here who want to stuff "injustice" down everyone else's throat and I'm not swallowing it so go and do your own poll, and if you don't like what's happening don't start insulting me, go to see the moguls at SKY who have bought the game for a cheap price and are causing these changes,

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We always said we would want 4 dual reg on long term registrations, which has happened, but we only initially had 3 in Keinhorst, Watson and Hood, Barry Eaton has always wanted to bring in Moore as the 4th but that wasn't an option at the start, but circumstances have changed and although i dont think Moore will be on a season long dual reg i think he will more than likely play more times for Hunslet than Leeds this season. As for Leuluai, we got offered him and Barry wanted to take him, its as simple as that. I dont think our stance has changed, we will have the 4 on long term registrations which was the plan, but obviously if the coach gets offered a player, the coach gets paid to decide if he wants to bring that player in to the club, Barry gets paid to make them decisions and as a club we will back him.

Thanks for the reply, doesn't allay my fears about where this may end up but i appreciate your honesty. Whilst I abhor the system what it allows I find it difficult to be critical of those doing what they feel is best for their club within the constraints of the system. I only hope they are holding their noses whilst they do it.

As an aside im not sure I'd describe Richard Moore as youthful!! Mind, I'm not sure I'd fancy telling him he was old either ;)

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