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An Interesting Approach to Dual Reg.....

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How can it be a step to far by workington? Workington are still playing by the rules, and are exploiting them to the maximum so i dont know how you or any one can blame them?

I think you mean its a step to far by the (rlf)? by allowing this to happen, is it not?

I personally don't think it will work that's why it's a step too far, Workington could potentially have a different 5 Widnes players playing I thier team in consecutive weeks, how can that be good for Workington as a team?, how can that be good for the current players? no continuity, players not knowing if they will be in one week out the next, i honesty think we have got it right at Hunslet by coming out and naming the 4 players who we will have for the season, we know were we stand, as do our supporters, they know the 4 players who could potentialy play, our current squad know the 4 players and will know whos going to have to step up to keep their place in the team. I just think that's the way to go about it, nothing against Workington hope it works but can't see it been healthy for them.

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All at the expense of the integrity of the second highest standard RL league in europe. You probably have a right to praise Swinton for the move as it saves your club 100k a year.

Just on another point also let's say Widnes didn't make it into the end of season play offs (they likely won't) and Workington do. The RFL surely can't block Widnes' 5 best players playing for Workington as they are registered as their own players for the season.

So clubs shouldn't really think about building their OWN squad they should be thinking about which SL squad will have the highest standard of players who haven't made the play offs, tough decision mind but then again that's what sport is all about...

100k not sure on that, my question, can Swinton afford that??

Widnes not making the play offs is a given , so we'll see in 7 months time.

Did you not read my post? Swinton can bring on their talent with the pooled resources.

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That doesnt answer his question. Were you happy with the systems in place when you beat Workington in the final at Warrington with 2 dual reg players?

On loan players have been a feature of RL for eons. So two is not so bad but 24, a whole squad, that's just ludicrous.

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I personally don't think it will work that's why it's a step too far, Workington could potentially have a different 5 Widnes players playing I thier team in consecutive weeks, how can that be good for Workington as a team?, how can that be good for the current players? no continuity, players not knowing if they will be in one week out the next, i honesty think we have got it right at Hunslet by coming out and naming the 4 players who we will have for the season, we know were we stand, as do our supporters, they know the 4 players who could potentialy play, our current squad know the 4 players and will know whos going to have to step up to keep their place in the team. I just think that's the way to go about it, nothing against Workington hope it works but can't see it been healthy for them.

I think poeple are getting caught up with the number of players who can play at one time..... Yes there's a max of five, but who says they'll get a position / place.

It's still up to the coach of the championship club to pick the team, surely a good coach will pick a stable time week in week out... What's best for the club and not the SL club.

It's not a god given right a kid from the old academy system will automatically get a place week in week out.

Even players returning back from injury may not even fit in with the championship coaches plans that week!!

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Come on Swinton, hope the five players you're allowed from Wires get you top of the league!!

If not, hope the shared resources help improve your club, bring on the lions talented players and make a real effort on and off the field.

Here's to Swinton having stability, financial strength and being able to compete with the likes of fax, fev, Leigh etc

If your wish comes true and Swinton win the Cc grand final with Warrington players and no ground and no money or fans at the expense of Fev or Halifax, or Leigh, what good will that do for RL. It might end up with one of the aforementioned clubs suffering a meltdown just so Warrington can save expenses on junior players and it will not help Swinton one little bit.

What would help Swinton would be to get the Agecroft ground built, re establish their roots in Swinton, grow their support base and then look for players and investment and see where they might go but they have no future as Warringtons gofers.

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On loan players have been a feature of RL for eons. So two is not so bad but 24, a whole squad, that's just ludicrous.

You do know workington arent ever going to loan 24 players, and as yet havent actually taken any players. The facts are keighly made use of dual reg to bring In 2 players who were 2 of their best players to help them. It seems your ok with this but suddenly its not fair.

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100k not sure on that, my question, can Swinton afford that??

Widnes not making the play offs is a given , so we'll see in 7 months time.

Did you not read my post? Swinton can bring on their talent with the pooled resources.

Scrapping the under 23s and moving into the feeder arrangement saves SL clubs 100k a year which is why they've done, Swintons finances are irrelevant.

Why will Swinton bring through their own players when they can just have Wires? Seems pointless to me. It doesn't encourage to build up your own squad and youngsters as you're just giving SL club players a run out.

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You do know workington arent ever going to loan 24 players, and as yet havent actually taken any players. The facts are keighly made use of dual reg to bring In 2 players who were 2 of their best players to help them. It seems your ok with this but suddenly its not fair.

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Did Keighley have the option of going to the parent club of their loanees and saying, loanee #1 is injured, can I have another" or even, "loanee # 2 is not playing so well and anyway he's a stand off and I need another prop this week, can you help me out there?"

That's what is going to happen here. It's a farce. Workington will be Widnes A team and suceed at the detriment of the stand alone clubs, not only Town but all these other artificial,contrived teams assembled to benefit SL player needs.

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You should be on the telly with a skill like that, not many people can see into the future. As for your question, I have no idea. But the fact is keighly made use of the system to aid their season, as are workington. Its pure hypocrisy for you to be so opposed to it.

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If your wish comes true and Swinton win the Cc grand final with Warrington players and no ground and no money or fans at the expense of Fev or Halifax, or Leigh, what good will that do for RL. It might end up with one of the aforementioned clubs suffering a meltdown just so Warrington can save expenses on junior players and it will not help Swinton one little bit.

What would help Swinton would be to get the Agecroft ground built, re establish their roots in Swinton, grow their support base and then look for players and investment and see where they might go but they have no future as Warringtons gofers.

Come on, my first part of my post was tongue and cheek......... Loaning 5 players won't make Swinton into world beaters..... It's all a learning curve, we need to see what happens.

League is on its ass, I'd love Swinton to be back in the big league, it's been 30 years iirc

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I personally don't think it will work that's why it's a step too far, Workington could potentially have a different 5 Widnes players playing I thier team in consecutive weeks, how can that be good for Workington as a team?, how can that be good for the current players? no continuity, players not knowing if they will be in one week out the next, i honesty think we have got it right at Hunslet by coming out and naming the 4 players who we will have for the season, we know were we stand, as do our supporters, they know the 4 players who could potentialy play, our current squad know the 4 players and will know whos going to have to step up to keep their place in the team. I just think that's the way to go about it, nothing against Workington hope it works but can't see it been healthy for them.

i agree with every thing you have said, but worky have the pick out of widnes' main squad and hunslet have what 4 of leeds u21 or academy players dnt u?(i dnt know). and about the continuity and players not knowing weather they make the squad or not, i think the coaches will have told the worky players (if they dont know already) that this is the arrangement and be prepared that some weeks you may not get a game. dont u?

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Scrapping the under 23s and moving into the feeder arrangement saves SL clubs 100k a year which is why they've done, Swintons finances are irrelevant.

Why will Swinton bring through their own players when they can just have Wires? Seems pointless to me. It doesn't encourage to build up your own squad and youngsters as you're just giving SL club players a run out.

Of course Swinton finances are relevant, can they afford the salaries of the DR players??

Swinton have to bring their own through the system, last time I went to a rugby match a team needed 17 players not 5

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It may well be an end game and it may well end badly for the totality of the game, even SL.

And it may well end fantastically for the totality of the game even SL.

Hetherington is the smart cookey (with apologies to Cookey :D ) he has trebled the RL fanbase in Leeds during my time in the game, and he has created a vibrant amateur scene in the city well in excess of what I could ever have dreamed of.

AND he has plans for more of the same.

Mr. Hetherington really is the only choice to lead RL into the future and his management of the game in Leeds should be extended to him managing it across the country.

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This thread has turned into another vision of doom and gloom, predicting all sorts of ridiculous scenarios that are extremely unlikey ever to come close to happening.

When people talk about feeder clubs they should look at who is feeding who players.

Of course its a cost cutting exercise, its a cost cutting exercise for the whole game, we are not immune to what is going on in the wider world, in fact we are probably more vulnerable than most other pro sports.

Its depressing listening the consistent whiners predicting doom and gloom that never actually materialises.

The game, and clubs, has its ups and downs but generally it, and the clubs, pull through, and that is despite the so called supporters of the game continually telling anyone that will listen that its kr@p..

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1. Hunslet will be so interwined and symbiotically meshed with Leeds that there is no way they could ever get to a position tp be "allowed" to challenge for a SL place.

2. However, for York, Doncaster, Barrow,Oldham, Rochdale and the other Cumbrian clubs, it is a bad thing. They should be "allowed" to develop to be potential SL clubs in their areas.

1. Wake up and smell the coffee and listen to BH. Hunslet will NEVER be an SL club.

2. York Donny, Oldham and Rochdale have decided that's it. Accept it. It's their choice.

Barrow are a different case, but several years ago the RFL declared Cumbria as not viable for SL after a study. Before you have a go at me I still champion the area but Cumbrian fans themselves put me down.

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Come on, my first part of my post was tongue and cheek......... Loaning 5 players won't make Swinton into world beaters..... It's all a learning curve, we need to see what happens.

League is on its ass, I'd love Swinton to be back in the big league, it's been 30 years iirc

I would like to see Swinton back in the big league but where are the necessary finances going to come from whilst they are mascarading as Warrington A and their players, or a key core of them, are available or not at the whim of the senior club. What top players will sign for an feeder club ?

Nobody will invest in Warrington A or any other A team. Cumbria have been touted many times for a SL club. Being Widnes A team will not get one.

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I would like to see Swinton back in the big league but where are the necessary finances going to come from whilst they are mascarading as Warrington A and their players, or a key core of them, are available or not at the whim of the senior club. What top players will sign for an feeder club ?

Nobody will invest in Warrington A or any other A team. Cumbria have been touted many times for a SL club. Being Widnes A team will not get one.

Where have the necessary finances been for the last 16 years? Having 5 Warrington or Widnes players makes no difference whatsoever.

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I would like to see Swinton back in the big league but where are the necessary finances going to come from whilst they are mascarading as Warrington A and their players, or a key core of them, are available or not at the whim of the senior club. What top players will sign for an feeder club ?

Nobody will invest in Warrington A or any other A team. Cumbria have been touted many times for a SL club. Being Widnes A team will not get one.

5 players ain't an A team.

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1. Wake up and smell the coffee and listen to BH. Hunslet will NEVER be an SL club.

2. York Donny, Oldham and Rochdale have decided that's it. Accept it. It's their choice.

And of course, nothing is permanent. :)

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I would like to see Swinton back in the big league but where are the necessary finances going to come from whilst they are mascarading as Warrington A and their players, or a key core of them, are available or not at the whim of the senior club. What top players will sign for an feeder club ?

Nobody will invest in Warrington A or any other A team. Cumbria have been touted many times for a SL club. Being Widnes A team will not get one.

How long do you think it will take Swinton, as they stand now, to build themselves a ground or become financially viable enough to be able to afford to have a long term lease on a suitable ground.

Give me your prediction, you are very good at offering predictions on lots of other stuff.

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How long do you think it will take Swinton, as they stand now, to build themselves a ground or become financially viable enough to be able to afford to have a long term lease on a suitable ground.

Give me your prediction, you are very good at predicting lots of other stuff.

is any sl club financially viable???

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Why will Swinton bring through their own players when they can just have Wires?

Because there are no players to bring through from Swinton.

It's got a semi professional club and no amateur clubs to feed it.

The only way so many CC clubs can survive nowadays is off the back of SL clubs

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I would like to see Swinton back in the big league but where are the necessary finances going to come from

Where are the players going to come from?

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barrowraiderskid - if the rules as they were last year are in place then there is now way that Town or any other club could get top SL players to play in the play-offs as all dual registered players have to have played in a percentage (it's either 50 or 75%) of qualifying games. So what you say couldn't happen.

Blackpool Hawk - Do you or anyone else honestly believe that Town coaches are so naive that they will select 5 Widnes players every week and leave out our own players that have been carefully recruited to not only gain us promotion last year but also to compete this year. We had 4 dual reg players last year as you claim to have this year and as i have said in an earlier post, it didn't do us much good when we needed them most for a midweek game at Gateshead through not being available.

keighley - Widnes have a squad of 30 players, 20 of which will be the first team squad for any particular week. Some of the other 10 will be injured or suspended which cuts the number down drastically.

You don't like the system, neither do I but that is the pack of cards that have been dealt to all Championship clubs and just watch throughout the season other clubs loaning players aor signing more dual reg players.

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And it may well end fantastically for the totality of the game even SL.

Hetherington is the smart cookey (with apologies to Cookey :D ) he has trebled the RL fanbase in Leeds during my time in the game, and he has created a vibrant amateur scene in the city well in excess of what I could ever have dreamed of.

AND he has plans for more of the same.

Mr. Hetherington really is the only choice to lead RL into the future and his management of the game in Leeds should be extended to him managing it across the country.

He has not trebled the fan base in Leeds. He has doubled it at the Rhinos. Not the same thing. However, be that as it may, let him run the whole game but he must realise that the whole game is not just SL as is and never changing.

How has he created a thriving amateur scene in the City. Has he given them money ? Has he funded development officers ? Has he supervised the use of the sport England resources in Leeds.?

Now that it's all drying up he is proposing to do all these things. I hope he is very succesful. If he runs the whole game, can he replicate these structures nationwide. Can he continue to support amateur growth in the non heartlands and in the lower divisions or is he just SL centric? Can he see the big picture?

He is competent and has done a great job at Leeds, thanks also to Caddick's resources.

Give him the job and let's see.

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