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Lazenby Cup clash kicks off new dawn for Rugby League in Leeds

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There is actually some substance contained within the press release. This paragraph detailing the plan for the Rhinos/Hawks partnership is worthy of further attention. If they meet their ambitious targets, it will have a big impact on the game in Leeds and Yorkshire

The biggest development though will come in schools and community Rugby League under the work of the Leeds Rugby Foundation. Between the Rhinos and Hunslet, there are currently 35 hours of coaching delivered each week in schools with the new structure hoped to raise that to 150 hours per week. The key targets are to have:

• 100 new schools offering Rugby League

• 100 new fully qualified level 2 coaches

• 1,000 new players in primary schools

• 2 new amateur clubs in the city

• 1,000 new fans

• A new heritage facility at Headingley Carnegie Stadium

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It dosn't sound like a partnership, more like a master and servant relationship. Come and watch your future Leeds stars develop at Hunslet sums it up. They are a minor league team for the benefit of the Rhinos.

The plan s for the junior game are impresive and welcome and I hope they exceed their wildest projections but, having contributed to any success in improvoig the amateur game in Leeds with the obvious aim of producing future professional stars, Hunslet will still be expected to be merely a stepping stone for the best of these to end up at Leeds. Their fate is sealed. Leeds might as just well annex them, take them over lock, stock and barrel and then they will completely control RL in Leeds.

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It dosn't sound like a partnership, more like a master and servant relationship. Come and watch your future Leeds stars develop at Hunslet sums it up. They are a minor league team for the benefit of the Rhinos.

The plan s for the junior game are impresive and welcome and I hope they exceed their wildest projections but, having contributed to any success in improvoig the amateur game in Leeds with the obvious aim of producing future professional stars, Hunslet will still be expected to be merely a stepping stone for the best of these to end up at Leeds. Their fate is sealed. Leeds might as just well annex them, take them over lock, stock and barrel and then they will completely control RL in Leeds.

Until Hunslet find a ground fit for SuperLeague and a fanbase to fill it, thats all they will ever be anyway. And thats not a bad thing.

Why shouldn't they get loads of help by a world class club both on and off the field? It doesn't have to be all or nothing.

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It dosn't sound like a partnership, more like a master and servant relationship. Come and watch your future Leeds stars develop at Hunslet sums it up. They are a minor league team for the benefit of the Rhinos.

The plan s for the junior game are impresive and welcome and I hope they exceed their wildest projections but, having contributed to any success in improvoig the amateur game in Leeds with the obvious aim of producing future professional stars, Hunslet will still be expected to be merely a stepping stone for the best of these to end up at Leeds. Their fate is sealed. Leeds might as just well annex them, take them over lock, stock and barrel and then they will completely control RL in Leeds.

So what?

Who cares really??

All I care about is that in 1971 when I'd got round all 3 Leeds clubs to watch them the combined attendance in Leeds for all three clubs games was about 6,000 fans and the amateur game was dying on it's bum.

Now I'm facing Rugby League in Leeds attracting three times as many fans and a tremendously vibrant amateur game maybe the best in the northern bl00dy hemisphere...

Praise the Lord for he has delivered a dream..............For our wonderful game....

What is up with you??

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It dosn't sound like a partnership, more like a master and servant relationship. Come and watch your future Leeds stars develop at Hunslet sums it up. They are a minor league team for the benefit of the Rhinos.

The plan s for the junior game are impresive and welcome and I hope they exceed their wildest projections but, having contributed to any success in improvoig the amateur game in Leeds with the obvious aim of producing future professional stars, Hunslet will still be expected to be merely a stepping stone for the best of these to end up at Leeds. Their fate is sealed. Leeds might as just well annex them, take them over lock, stock and barrel and then they will completely control RL in Leeds.

hunslet do have a secure future in the championships were they will have as much chance of suvival as keighley

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hunslet do have a secure future in the championships were they will have as much chance of suvival as keighley

Ultimately they will have a secure future even if it's as a series of exhibits in the Leeds Rugby League heritage centre in the Carnegie stand, next to the Bramley exhibit.

I wuz there when we were down to 150 fans being asked to pay more by Stephen Ball to keep the club alive and some of us did some of us didn't but it failed. So we have had to accept the tie in with Leeds. To me it won't be the same Hunslet, but I put the game in the city well before my club. All I ask is that if we go the way of Bramley, both clubs won't be forgotten, their heritage won't be forgotten and above all the attitude from Leeds won't be we saw them off.

Clearly the attitude from Hetherington is that he knows the game has had to change and modernise, but in doing so it's left some of us behind. He is happy to keep my club alive and seemingly happy to preserve the memories. In unfortunate circumstances in sport you look for some understanding from your "foes" after all we are all in the game together.

I see that big style. I appreciate it.

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So what?

Who cares really??

All I care about is that in 1971 when I'd got round all 3 Leeds clubs to watch them the combined attendance in Leeds for all three clubs games was about 6,000 fans and the amateur game was dying on it's bum.

Now I'm facing Rugby League in Leeds attracting three times as many fans and a tremendously vibrant amateur game maybe the best in the northern bl00dy hemisphere...

Praise the Lord for he has delivered a dream..............For our wonderful game....

What is up with you??

And in 1961 18000 people were watching RL in Leeds, 11000 of them at Headingley.

There are no more people watching RL in Leeds now than 50 years ago. It's just that they're all watching one club. Teams that have a meaningful competition and win that competition regularly have the biggest crowds. It was ever thus.

I have a soft spot for Hunslet and watched them when I lived in Leeds. While I accept that the future of the game involves everyone watching six clubs play each other all the time for the silverware, I miss the broader competition of years gone by.

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And in 1961 18000 people were watching RL in Leeds, 11000 of them at Headingley.

There are no more people watching RL in Leeds now than 50 years ago. It's just that they're all watching one club. Teams that have a meaningful competition and win that competition regularly have the biggest crowds. It was ever thus.

I have a soft spot for Hunslet and watched them when I lived in Leeds. While I accept that the future of the game involves everyone watching six clubs play each other all the time for the silverware, I miss the broader competition of years gone by.

Well go back to the 1940's and strengthen your point even further, but you put your finger on the problem.

We as a game have to survive in the 2010's. Not 50 years ago.

Yes we nearly all watch one club in Leeds and it's damn successful.

But when I expand the point you may appreciate if they all watched one club in Hull It'd be a monster club.

If they all watched one club in Calder it's be bigger than Hull United.

You may have liked the past, but can we recreate it for you or me (as much as I'd love it) in 2013?

Share the SKY money 30 ways and watch the game do what?????

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Well go back to the 1940's and strengthen your point even further, but you put your finger on the problem.

We as a game have to survive in the 2010's. Not 50 years ago.

Yes we nearly all watch one club in Leeds and it's damn successful.

But when I expand the point you may appreciate if they all watched one club in Hull It'd be a monster club.

If they all watched one club in Calder it's be bigger than Hull United.

You may have liked the past, but can we recreate it for you or me (as much as I'd love it) in 2013?

Share the SKY money 30 ways and watch the game do what?????

I accept the future and will continue to watch my club. Having said that I'm irrationally attached to them and would under certain circumstances watch a merged club or watch them if they switched sport completely.

Without wishing to start another merger thread having the rivalry of two clubs in Hull strengthens the game there. It's all people talk about on a Monday morning. When Hull KR spent 13 years in "oblivion" to use Eddie Hemmings word for the Championship, Hull were not averaging 20,000 every week.

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I accept the future and will continue to watch my club. Having said that I'm irrationally attached to them and would under certain circumstances watch a merged club or watch them if they switched sport completely.

Without wishing to start another merger thread having the rivalry of two clubs in Hull strengthens the game there. It's all people talk about on a Monday morning. When Hull KR spent 13 years in "oblivion" to use Eddie Hemmings word for the Championship, Hull were not averaging 20,000 every week.

HKR will be fine as long as they are needed in SL i.e. SLE can't find enough "big" clubs to stock SL. The current money problems can't help though. No, of course Hull didn't average 20,000 when HKR were out.

Given Leeds fantastic success one wonder why they don't average 20,000 now you mention it?

Must be a limit to the number of people interested in our game. Thank you for the reply.

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Until Hunslet find a ground fit for SuperLeague and a fanbase to fill it, thats all they will ever be anyway. And thats not a bad thing.

Why shouldn't they get loads of help by a world class club both on and off the field? It doesn't have to be all or nothing.

I think it's more a case of Leeds helping themselves than any altruistic concern for Hunslet.

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So what?

Who cares really??

All I care about is that in 1971 when I'd got round all 3 Leeds clubs to watch them the combined attendance in Leeds for all three clubs games was about 6,000 fans and the amateur game was dying on it's bum.

Now I'm facing Rugby League in Leeds attracting three times as many fans and a tremendously vibrant amateur game maybe the best in the northern bl00dy hemisphere...

Praise the Lord for he has delivered a dream..............For our wonderful game....

What is up with you??

Sky sports has delivered most of that dream.

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I think it's more a case of Leeds helping themselves than any altruistic concern for Hunslet.

Really,if that was the case don't you think Leeds would have done what Widnes have done re. dual reg players etc.

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hunslet do have a secure future in the championships were they will have as much chance of suvival as keighley

More chance seeing as how their survival is in Leeds interest. That's not necessarily a good thing.

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I think it's more a case of Leeds helping themselves than any altruistic concern for Hunslet.

So what? Hunslet are still getting the assistance they need.

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More chance seeing as how their survival is in Leeds interest. That's not necessarily a good thing.

Why isn't it?

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Well go back to the 1940's and strengthen your point even further, but you put your finger on the problem.

We as a game have to survive in the 2010's. Not 50 years ago.

Yes we nearly all watch one club in Leeds and it's damn successful.

But when I expand the point you may appreciate if they all watched one club in Hull It'd be a monster club.

If they all watched one club in Calder it's be bigger than Hull United.

You may have liked the past, but can we recreate it for you or me (as much as I'd love it) in 2013?

Share the SKY money 30 ways and watch the game do what?????

Contract to a small rump league and watch it do whaT ????

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I accept the future and will continue to watch my club. Having said that I'm irrationally attached to them and would under certain circumstances watch a merged club or watch them if they switched sport completely.

Without wishing to start another merger thread having the rivalry of two clubs in Hull strengthens the game there. It's all people talk about on a Monday morning. When Hull KR spent 13 years in "oblivion" to use Eddie Hemmings word for the Championship, Hull were not averaging 20,000 every week.

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And Leeds are not averaging 18,000 with the city to themselves, so this mega club theory is just that and an unproven one to boot.

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Really,if that was the case don't you think Leeds would have done what Widnes have done re. dual reg players etc.

Now that the precedent has been set by others I think Leeds will probably jump on that bandwagon. It looks like the other SL clubs have one upped them for once.

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Why isn't it?

It's not a good thing that an independent CC club in their own town is less likely to survive than a virtual A team of Leeds totally dependent on them for their existence and further progess or not depending on what Leeds want.

Maybe thats the goal of all this, to make all Cc clubs either become adjuncts of a SL club and virtually cease to exist as self determining entities and kill off all clubs who don't wish to conform to this vision of the future for all but a few SL clubs. Let's make them all reliant on SL clubs and so kill off any possible competition that might be out there however small the threat might be.

If you think that a good thing then you are certainly entitled to your opinion but I don't share that view.

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a tremendously vibrant amateur game maybe the best in the northern bl00dy hemisphere...

Excuse my ignorance Parky, I've just tried and failed to get a list of the current amateur RL teams in Leeds. Is this really the halcyon era for amateur RL in Leeds? Do you really believe that the amateur RL scene in Leeds is the best in the NH? If so can you put some flesh on the bones for me please?

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Excuse my ignorance Parky, I've just tried and failed to get a list of the current amateur RL teams in Leeds. Is this really the halcyon era for amateur RL in Leeds? Do you really believe that the amateur RL scene in Leeds is the best in the NH? If so can you put some flesh on the bones for me please?

do you want open age or junior teams lists ?

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do you want open age or junior teams lists ?

And is any growth due to the move to summer, the sport England cash and development, BARLA, the expansion of conference teams or is it due to Leeds opening their wallet to assist amateur rugby ?

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Excuse my ignorance Parky, I've just tried and failed to get a list of the current amateur RL teams in Leeds. Is this really the halcyon era for amateur RL in Leeds? Do you really believe that the amateur RL scene in Leeds is the best in the NH? If so can you put some flesh on the bones for me please?

Your not ignorant, and it's a pleasure to indulge you.

I can't remember the first amateur match I went to (it was probably Bradford University where I played when they were short, clubs had to be short to play me seriously) but we had Milford, Stanningley, Bisons and Middleton on Saturdays and on sundays we had a 20 team sunday league that was 11 a side due to player shortage. The latter actually died out pretty quickly. Stanningley played on a park and changed in a pub cellar. I was a young ref then and ran the line against Oulton. You had to run behind the crowd at times.

BARLA assisted a growth not just in the spread of clubs, but in the facilities at clubs over the years. In the modern SL area with Leeds doing so well things have really accelerated. Stanningley today is no longer a pub team, it's a club more valuable to Rugby League than maybe several CC2 clubs. They produce professionals and draw crowds to big games. Even down Hunslet a visit to the Warriors is quite remarkable compared to my first Hunslet amateur visit when I reffed Parkside.v.St. John Fisher and was told I was the worst referee they had had (late penalty for "persistent" offside lost Parkside the game).

I'm not going to do definitive lists. I think the perpetrator of this point can go do his own, but there's a lot of well organised junior RL in age ranges e.g. Milford, Rodley, Easts, Leapords, Queens, Pigeons, Warriors, Stanningley, Wests, Wortley, etc. most in great facilities and well coached. The senior clubs have A teams at times and there's Easts, Milford, Queens, Stanningley, Warriors as the big guns who deliver players like Ablett,Walker, JJB, McGuire, Mathers and I won't go on but suffice to say the city has delivered 22 top professionals to Superleague. That beats hull, that comes only second to Wigan.

It doesn't stop there. Leeds Rhinos are getting schools playing RL who played RU before. Temple Moor was where two of my mates went. They went all the way in a schools championship. In the student arena where I played the Uni, the met and the Trinity colleges run a couple of teams each I think. Leeds Met are the top club who play in the Challenge cup against professionals and hold their own. They get on telly. I find that breathtaking. Up where I am we have the fabulous Akkies with several sides inc a top womens side overshadowing their RU counterparts. There's a big brass statue of Pottsy in the car park. L'Angela Mysterio is head of their supporters club :lol:

Amid all this Hetherington has stated two more amateur clubs are being lined up in his plan for RL in the city. I won't reproduce that again but show me another SL club with grass roots plans like that. I'm not saying Hetherington created all this but he works hard to directly encourage and facilitate it with many initiatives. The Broughtons were inspired to play and turn pro and their picture is up in the local school. The RL desert that was once north Leeds produces pro's.

But according to some it's Hunslet and Bramley that are the "grass roots". If they are forced into oblivion apparently the game will go on to die. I find that breathtakingly ridiculous when I can wander around Leeds on a Weekend and see the grass roots game (miniscule compared with soccer still) so much bigger and so much more vibrant often at the expense of a shrinking RU.

Few years ago we took the kids to Hetheringtons kids day ay Headingley and had a great time. My lad has signed pictures of himself with top stars on his wall JJB, Danny Mac, Ryan Bailey, Ryan Hall, Jamie P etc. All Leeds Internationals and big names. The kids love it. The kids are inspired by it and superleague. At the seasons end with friends we all keep the kids back at the last match and all the players go round the ground and say hello and sign autographs for the kids.

I dont care what happened in terms of fans 40,50,60 years ago. The real point is when hetherington can get an average crowd of as many as nearly 17,000 in 2009 all coming from all parts of Leeds that generates a profit as does the magnificent facilites. Profits enable growth and Hetherington delivers it.

What earthly profits do small championship clubs deliver? How much did Bramley and Hunslet used to generate??

You may think this is odd - someone who's a Hunslet fan not blindly "supporting" his side and his other once favourite club. I followed them as well as most fans up to the modern era, but today I follow RL and want what's best for the game. I'm ultra nostalgic and will physically help preserve the memory of Bramley and Hunslet, but it's the success of the Leeds model I want to see replicated.

We need more big clubs on big crowds making real profits (rather than the ugly struggles of some so called "Super" clubs) they can plough back into the grass roots game in their region and grow and sustain it like it's happening in Leeds. If CC clubs are casualties then you can't have everything. But the fact is the kids don't want flat cap Rugby league, that's for old men like me, and too many old men like me are selfishly calling for a return to or at least a preservation of the past.

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