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Overseas players requiring Visa`s wont be involved in this mass dual registration flimflam.

Hock is on loan to Widnes so is not available to Workington.

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Ahem....

Not worth it Simon !!!

They have a sugar daddy !!

They won't let it lie not worth the time and effort !!

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Not worth it Simon !!!

They have a sugar daddy !!

They won't let it lie not worth the time and effort !!

and some people can't see past their nose end

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You are clearly contradicting your previous post!

The point I was trying to get across is I would rather 2 feeder clubs get relegated than say the likes of barrow who are trying to build from their own back yard. I understand that clubs have had to go down this route but why batley have I will never know unless they have no intention of SL. But the start point of all this is the RFL or the RFL being dictated to by the SL clubs. Someone said the other day would you rather have blatter as the chairman of RL. Before SL I would of said definitely not but I'm getting to the point where yes blatter would be better.

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Someone said the other day would you rather have blatter as the chairman of RL. Before SL I would of said definitely not but I'm getting to the point where yes blatter would be better.

Are you some sort of parody?

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Are you some sort of parody?

I don't see the humour in that post Simon I see it as desperate times for our sport myself.

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I don't see the humour in that post Simon I see it as desperate times for our sport myself.

You will be ok when your in Super League next season.

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You will be ok when your in Super League next season.

Us being in SL doesn't solve the problems our game as.

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Don't blame the RFL don't blame the S/L clubs Every club had a choice and some chairmen think its better for there club It will cause unrest in the championship with signed players it will cause the clubs to be unsettled and I don't think it will be as good for the clubs as people think Lets see what happens

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I don't see the humour in that post Simon I see it as desperate times for our sport myself.

I meant you, as in are you some sort of parody of a blinkered old fashioned rugby league fan from a little pit village.

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Don't blame the RFL don't blame the S/L clubs Every club had a choice and some chairmen think its better for there club It will cause unrest in the championship with signed players it will cause the clubs to be unsettled and I don't think it will be as good for the clubs as people think Lets see what happens

The top 5 will still be the same teams no doubt about that. It's the relegation battle that this will effect and the last 3 play off places.

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I meant you, as in are you some sort of parody of a blinkered old fashioned rugby league fan from a little pit village.

With that comment you must believe our sport is in safe hands then? I've watch our sport for years and I've seen some terrible times in our sport but I've never seen it as bad as it is now.

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I think the York fans on here have short memories. Go back a few years when York folded, I beleive York wanted £30k to stay afloat and the RFL and SL allowed York to go bust. I remember this because I got in a heated argument with Bradford Bulls supporters who quoted "not interested if its not Super League". From that day it has become increasingly obvious to me of the inequalities between SL and the other divisions, to the extent I now will not attend any Challenge Cup Finals/Internationals etc. Super league clubs are only doing DR for their benefit they do not give a monkeys about the lower leagues. It used to be SL clubs against Championship clubs,it is now championship clubs against each other.

I do realise 1 or 2 fev fans on this forum have a "holier than thou"attitude but I know these things come and go and we can be in the lowest division in the future { like we was in 2007) but the Championship is now being devalued for the main benefit of SL clubs. No one will convince me otherwise.

Rant over - I am now going for a lie down!!!

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I think the York fans on here have short memories. Go back a few years when York folded, I beleive York wanted £30k to stay afloat and the RFL and SL allowed York to go bust. I remember this because I got in a heated argument with Bradford Bulls supporters who quoted "not interested if its not Super League". From that day it has become increasingly obvious to me of the inequalities between SL and the other divisions, to the extent I now will not attend any Challenge Cup Finals/Internationals etc. Super league clubs are only doing DR for their benefit they do not give a monkeys about the lower leagues. It used to be SL clubs against Championship clubs,it is now championship clubs against each other.

I do realise 1 or 2 fev fans on this forum have a "holier than thou"attitude but I know these things come and go and we can be in the lowest division in the future { like we was in 2007) but the Championship is now being devalued for the main benefit of SL clubs. No one will convince me otherwise.

Rant over - I am now going for a lie down!!!

So to sum up: You have boycotted all Challenge Cup Finals and Internationals since 2002, and gauged the thoughts of the SuperLeague clubs themselves, from having a barney with a few tight Bradford fans?

Thats some mightily impressive stubborness.

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Flattered you titled this thread after me by the way...

So come on then Gav, do you think it will be five players or will the limit be relaxed over the coming seasons?

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Question for you Gaz, and any other Fev fan for that matter - What would you do in the position of Workington (and Whitehaven)? We are out on a limb in west Cumbria and believe it or not we found it easier to get players from Australia and NZ than Yorkshire and Lancashire until the UKBA stopped all that. Now it is even more difficult for us. We can't just pop down the road and pick up a player or two from the M62 corridor as they don't like the travelling.

Last year in Championship 1, Town used a large majority of local players with 3 or 4 travellers. Whitehaven had upwards of 10 players travelling together from Lancashire with half their team training in Cumbria and the other half in Lancashire. The young Cumbrian lads, on their own, will not make us competitive in the Championship (not right away any ways) and it costs us to get players to travel.

We did have 4 dual registered players last season but we were at the mercy of their SL clubs as to whether they would be allowed to play or not and if you all recall we actually lost at Gateshead in a midweek match when we had 9 players out injured or suspended and none of the DR players available. We played a 17 year old on one wing, brought 2 players out of retirement to play, played a forward at stand-off and put two of the injured players down as substitutes so that we didn't get a fine for not naming 17 players. That should not happen this season providing Widnes don't have a glut of injuries or suspensions.

At the end of the day we can only play 5 players from Widnes in any one game and those 5 will not be from the first team for that week. Knowing our club coaches and our players I think you will find that there will be many occasions when we don't use all the 5 players. We have not been able to play a pre-season game this year because from our squad of 24 we have had 9 out either recuperating from operations in December or suspended. We took the fit players to Widnes for a game and played 2 triallists and our team conditioner played on the wing.

I think you need to start looking at the bigger picture for teams like us outside of the M62 corridor we already have a big disadvantage with travelling distances every other week that your clubs only have to do twice per season. Let's see how it works it out.

Incidentally, I am not a lover of the system and wish it hadn't been introduced but we were one of the last to make a link up more in fear of being left behind and returning to Championship 1.

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Keith like I said before I understand why teams have done it. But on your theory of Cumbria having to why hasn't barrow folded too then and linked up?

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So to sum up: You have boycotted all Challenge Cup Finals and Internationals since 2002, and gauged the thoughts of the SuperLeague clubs themselves, from having a barney with a few tight Bradford fans?

Thats some mightily impressive stubborness.

some pretty impressive selective quoting from you too there gav! :lol:

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Question for you Gaz, and any other Fev fan for that matter - What would you do in the position of Workington (and Whitehaven)? We are out on a limb in west Cumbria and believe it or not we found it easier to get players from Australia and NZ than Yorkshire and Lancashire until the UKBA stopped all that. Now it is even more difficult for us. We can't just pop down the road and pick up a player or two from the M62 corridor as they don't like the travelling.

Last year in Championship 1, Town used a large majority of local players with 3 or 4 travellers. Whitehaven had upwards of 10 players travelling together from Lancashire with half their team training in Cumbria and the other half in Lancashire. The young Cumbrian lads, on their own, will not make us competitive in the Championship (not right away any ways) and it costs us to get players to travel.

We did have 4 dual registered players last season but we were at the mercy of their SL clubs as to whether they would be allowed to play or not and if you all recall we actually lost at Gateshead in a midweek match when we had 9 players out injured or suspended and none of the DR players available. We played a 17 year old on one wing, brought 2 players out of retirement to play, played a forward at stand-off and put two of the injured players down as substitutes so that we didn't get a fine for not naming 17 players. That should not happen this season providing Widnes don't have a glut of injuries or suspensions.

At the end of the day we can only play 5 players from Widnes in any one game and those 5 will not be from the first team for that week. Knowing our club coaches and our players I think you will find that there will be many occasions when we don't use all the 5 players. We have not been able to play a pre-season game this year because from our squad of 24 we have had 9 out either recuperating from operations in December or suspended. We took the fit players to Widnes for a game and played 2 triallists and our team conditioner played on the wing.

I think you need to start looking at the bigger picture for teams like us outside of the M62 corridor we already have a big disadvantage with travelling distances every other week that your clubs only have to do twice per season. Let's see how it works it out.

Incidentally, I am not a lover of the system and wish it hadn't been introduced but we were one of the last to make a link up more in fear of being left behind and returning to Championship 1.

But if your coaches won't use five players what's in it for Widnes??? Can somebody please answer the question?

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Keith like I said before I understand why teams have done it. But on your theory of Cumbria having to why hasn't barrow folded too then and linked up?

Folded? Your use of this word assumes that clubs had no choice. You really must stop playing the role of moral arbitre of all that happens in Rugby League. I think that Featherstone would certainly do whatever they consider best for them, which essentially is what all the other clubs are doing.

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Keith like I said before I understand why teams have done it. But on your theory of Cumbria having to why hasn't barrow folded too then and linked up?

I can't speak for Barrow but they are certainly 60 miles closer to Lancashire than we are in west Cumbria and last season they used dual reg players from Wigan and Warrington and loanees. I think that they will probably use loanees again this year later in to the season, we shall see!!!

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So come on then Gav, do you think it will be five players or will the limit be relaxed over the coming seasons?

Where's Gav???

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I can't speak for Barrow but they are certainly 60 miles closer to Lancashire than we are in west Cumbria.....

Closer ? They're in Lancashire ... how much closer can you get ? ;)

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But if your coaches won't use five players what's in it for Widnes??? Can somebody please answer the question?

But if your coaches won't use five players what's in it for Widnes??? Can somebody please answer the question?

Terry, I don't know the full details of our link up same as all the fans of other link ups because we don't get told the full picture but re. your question of what the SL clubs get out of it I think the answer is £100k per season, or at least that is the figure that was first mentioned when they first talked of doing away with the Under 18's and Under 20's.

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