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I have never forgotten the Leeds and Bramley link up. It's just about the same agreement as Workington and Widnes have and look what happened to Bramley.

as said on t'other forum gaz. Bramleys demise was sod all to do with leeds and everything to do with other factors, almost all to do with the bramley club!

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Terry I would never knock anything our BOD do because they have/ are working miracles at our club. I just think Toulouse will take that spot in 2015 or another expansion team.

Best have a word wi mark or possy then gaz and tell em your opinion.

Do us a fav and let me know when you're going to have that chat wi campbell! That I want to see!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Sorry Gav but it will eventually be the Hull coach who picks your team. That's what happens with reserve teams and that's why some clubs have DR'd their entire squads with CC clubs. That's what's down the track for you, sorry to say.

I really don't want it to be that way Terry. But I just can't see any other outcome....

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The teams in the championship that have become feeder clubs wont be getting any of my money this year, that is my choice and the reason is they have made the division a complete laughing stock, it is now a reserve competition. You can argue all day long but at the end of the day its a reserve comp, all because the self styled elite cant manage on 1,3 million per season, its short sighted beyond belief. I myself arnt too bothered because im sure Rovers will eventually be in the top division, but trust me the Yorks, Hunslets, Dewsburys etc by agreeing to this have put the final nails in your own coffins, good luck to you. The game is a complete farce last season Rovers U18 were to play Huddersfield U18, they get 100k to fund there team we get nothing, the game was postponed because they couldnt get a team, unbelievable, but what do the RFL do, they cut the prize money for the championship grand final to 50k, so potential winners Rovers cash winning options are lowered so they can keep more in the pot for teams like Huddersfield who are obviously criminally wasting it. All the feeder teams are doing is giving the self styled elite more options of keeping even more money and wasting it. Sorry you wont be getting any money from me to help you save them more money. Im not worried because im certain we would beat Widnes 1st team so im not bothered about there reserves or any of the other reserve sides. When the feeder clubs either go bust or eventually become official feeder teams i for 1 wont be shedding any tears, you brought it on yourselves

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The teams in the championship that have become feeder clubs wont be getting any of my money this year, that is my choice and the reason is they have made the division a complete laughing stock, it is now a reserve competition. You can argue all day long but at the end of the day its a reserve comp, all because the self styled elite cant manage on 1,3 million per season, its short sighted beyond belief. I myself arnt too bothered because im sure Rovers will eventually be in the top division, but trust me the Yorks, Hunslets, Dewsburys etc by agreeing to this have put the final nails in your own coffins, good luck to you. The game is a complete farce last season Rovers U18 were to play Huddersfield U18, they get 100k to fund there team we get nothing, the game was postponed because they couldnt get a team, unbelievable, but what do the RFL do, they cut the prize money for the championship grand final to 50k, so potential winners Rovers cash winning options are lowered so they can keep more in the pot for teams like Huddersfield who are obviously criminally wasting it. All the feeder teams are doing is giving the self styled elite more options of keeping even more money and wasting it. Sorry you wont be getting any money from me to help you save them more money. Im not worried because im certain we would beat Widnes 1st team so im not bothered about there reserves or any of the other reserve sides. When the feeder clubs either go bust or eventually become official feeder teams i for 1 wont be shedding any tears, you brought it on yourselves

Looking forward to joining the 'self styled elite' then? So am I. Maybe you might give it a rest when that finally happens.

You clearly don't care about any other clubs in this division, so why are you so outraged by it all? Why not just live and let live eh?

Its funny how you slate the 'self styled elite' and also express your anticipation of you club joining them in the same post. Are Featherstone the ONLY club in British Rugby League that is completely faultless in every area then? If so then fair play, thats mightily impressive.

As it stands, there are no feeder clubs. There are no reserve teams. Some clubs in this division have the option of sharing off-field resources and playing up to 5 players from another club to help them out. Fair play to them I say. Featherstone are strong enough to go it alone (although I hear this very nearly wasn't the case). Fair play to them too. Whats the issue?

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As it stands, there are no feeder clubs. There are no reserve teams. Some clubs in this division have the option of sharing off-field resources and playing up to 5 players from another club to help them out.

We quibble over definitions Gav. You say that there are no feeder clubs. I say your clubs arrangement with Hull makes York a 'feeder' club and is a crapola direction to take the game. As is his wont, Lowfield (I believe) has no other way than to abstain from those clubs to register his protest. I choose to voice my opposition to the system but will still opt to watch Rovers wherever I choose to. C'est la vie!

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Looking forward to joining the 'self styled elite' then? So am I. Maybe you might give it a rest when that finally happens.

You clearly don't care about any other clubs in this division, so why are you so outraged by it all? Why not just live and let live eh?

Its funny how you slate the 'self styled elite' and also express your anticipation of you club joining them in the same post. Are Featherstone the ONLY club in British Rugby League that is completely faultless in every area then? If so then fair play, thats mightily impressive.

As it stands, there are no feeder clubs. There are no reserve teams. Some clubs in this division have the option of sharing off-field resources and playing up to 5 players from another club to help them out. Fair play to them I say. Featherstone are strong enough to go it alone (although I hear this very nearly wasn't the case). Fair play to them too. Whats the issue?

And earlier in this very thread you replied to Terry that '5' was too many (post 56 in case you've forgotten) - so we're already beyond what you deem acceptable then?

Also it's reported elsewhere that Swinton fielded 9 Warrington players in their friendly with Leigh. For me that is a sure sign of things to come for those clubs who've climbed on board this particular runaway train.

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Looking forward to joining the 'self styled elite' then? So am I. Maybe you might give it a rest when that finally happens.

You clearly don't care about any other clubs in this division, so why are you so outraged by it all? Why not just live and let live eh?

Its funny how you slate the 'self styled elite' and also express your anticipation of you club joining them in the same post. Are Featherstone the ONLY club in British Rugby League that is completely faultless in every area then? If so then fair play, thats mightily impressive.

As it stands, there are no feeder clubs. There are no reserve teams. Some clubs in this division have the option of sharing off-field resources and playing up to 5 players from another club to help them out. Fair play to them I say. Featherstone are strong enough to go it alone (although I hear this very nearly wasn't the case). Fair play to them too. Whats the issue?

There is a big difference between us and the other 14, we have had years and years of hard work to get where we are, those clubs have had it handed on a plate, the RFL have treat them differently to the rest, they have wasted millions and millions and still want more from the trough. Sorruy your a feeder club good luck to you

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And earlier in this very thread you replied to Terry that '5' was too many (post 56 in case you've forgotten) - so we're already beyond what you deem acceptable then?

No, we are at the limit of what I personally deem acceptable. 5.

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No, we are at the limit of what I personally deem acceptable. 5.

But that's not what you said earlier: in reply to intheshed's (not Terry's as I said earlier) question "Would there be a number that would be too many, in your opinion? If so, how many?" you said "5" Make your mind up ;)

Anyway 9 Warrington players in Swinton's side, what do you make of that?

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But that's not what you said earlier: in reply to intheshed's (not Terry's as I said earlier) question "Would there be a number that would be too many, in your opinion? If so, how many?" you said "5" Make your mind up ;)

Anyway 9 Warrington players in Swinton's side, what do you make of that?

Ok 6 is too many then :D

It was a friendly. So nothing.

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Ok 6 is too many then :D

It was a friendly. So nothing.

by what reasoning did you arrive at 5 or 6 or whatever it is now

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if i were a championship player, training 2 or 3 times a week and then not getting a game (no appearance money or win bonus) because my coach was drafting in 5 superleague players. i think i would then opt for the amateur game and a less strict training regime. if a number of my teamates did the same, where would that leave the coach?,would he try to recruit from the local amateurs, and would they come, knowing they may not get a game. the likelihood would be that he would want more players from his superleague twin. the superleague clubs would not argue against it, and thus the championship club becomes solely reliant on the superleague club. it could never happen, could it?

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Sorry Gav but it will eventually be the Hull coach who picks your team. That's what happens with reserve teams and that's why some clubs have DR'd their entire squads with CC clubs. That's what's down the track for you, sorry to say.

Terry, if Neville Chamberlain were alive today i think he would be stood foursquare with Gav on this one.

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haven4ever has posted this question on the main TotalRL forum. I'd be facinated to see Gav's answer:

"Why register the likes of Kevin brown etc on dual reg.he will play every week for Widnes .The only benefit having DR is if he is out injured for a while Widnes can then say we want him to play 20 mins for town this week to get him some game time.and town will have no option but to play him even if it's only for 20/30 mins

If this isn't the case then why bother registering him

Sounds like a reserve team to me"

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haven4ever has posted this question on the main TotalRL forum. I'd be facinated to see Gav's answer:

"Why register the likes of Kevin brown etc on dual reg.he will play every week for Widnes .The only benefit having DR is if he is out injured for a while Widnes can then say we want him to play 20 mins for town this week to get him some game time.and town will have no option but to play him even if it's only for 20/30 mins

If this isn't the case then why bother registering him

Sounds like a reserve team to me"

The Head Coach at Workington has the final say as to who plays in his team.

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haven4ever has posted this question on the main TotalRL forum. I'd be facinated to see Gav's answer:

"Why register the likes of Kevin brown etc on dual reg.he will play every week for Widnes .The only benefit having DR is if he is out injured for a while Widnes can then say we want him to play 20 mins for town this week to get him some game time.and town will have no option but to play him even if it's only for 20/30 mins

If this isn't the case then why bother registering him

Sounds like a reserve team to me"

Stop cherry picking posts and read everyone's you might learn something, then again.............

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Stop cherry picking posts and read everyone's you might learn something, then again.............

cherry picking or not, its a fair question don't ya think?

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The Head Coach at Workington has the final say as to who plays in his team.

Yeah, right.

If these paternerships are so good for the Championship Clubs their BODs will want to ensure that they carry on next season and beyond. The only way to do that is keep the SL club 'sweet' and do as they ask. Following the Widnes/Workington announcement I'd be surprised if others don't follow suit.

Let's be honest, the only reason you're in favour of all this is because you think 5 Hull players will ensure York avoid relegation. Unfortunately, most other teams have gone down the same route, some more so than others. So much for it all being to provide a pathway to develop 'young' SL fringe players. eh?

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Gav Goebbels in Positive Propaganda! Seriously Gav all you do is just do PR releases from the RFL and they can do no wrong. A decent journo should be questioning things and getting different viewpoints, not just one that the RFL and SL clubs spew out and deny things like feeder clubs. The game is at a cross roads and personally I cant see it doing things right due to the selfish interest of clubs and the poor leadership at RFL. Each year we see things change and its getting more and more like Feeder clubs. Workington, Dewsbury and York have just pushed it as far as you can before they are feeder clubs. The Workington or York coach may want to pick his side but if Hull or Widnes tell his club who pay him they want this player in, he will be forced to accept. I can see a number of clubs losing their identity. For me York, Workington and Dewsbury are well down that road. If Fax did this I would stop sponsoring players etc. It wouldn't be my club that I would be proud of.

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Stop cherry picking posts and read everyone's you might learn something, then again.............

I'd be fascinated to hear your answer too.

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cherry picking or not, its a fair question don't ya think?

Robin it is a post made by a haven fan looking for anything to have a dig because it is Town. The local press this week had a quote from the Haven coach saying that he would have the pick of all the players not involved in the Saints first team squad of any particular week. Does that not sound similar to what we are doing? I don't seem to be able to get an answer as to whether if Saints wanted say, Roby returning from injury to have 20 or 30 minutes at Haven if Dave Woods would accept that, which is what Haven4ever is saying our coaches would accept.

To be honest I don't think the Widnes/ Town naming full squad is something that anyone expected but there is nothing to stop any clubs from registering players at any time during the season. A team could have 6 registered now but by the end of the season that could be up to 12 or 15. It doesn't say that they ALL will play for the Championship club and I will be disappointed if Town play more than say 2 or 3 at a time not the 5 that is being shouted every week. At this moment in time from our squad of 24 we have 3 suspended and 4 or 5 recuperating from operations in December and so for our first few games we may be glad of 3 or 4 Widnes players to help out. With a full strength squad I wouldn't expect us using any more dual reg players than we did last season. And we don't expect Brown or any other mainstream Widnes players to be playing at Town.

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Gav Goebbels in Positive Propaganda! Seriously Gav all you do is just do PR releases from the RFL and they can do no wrong. A decent journo should be questioning things and getting different viewpoints, not just one that the RFL and SL clubs spew out and deny things like feeder clubs. The game is at a cross roads and personally I cant see it doing things right due to the selfish interest of clubs and the poor leadership at RFL. Each year we see things change and its getting more and more like Feeder clubs. Workington, Dewsbury and York have just pushed it as far as you can before they are feeder clubs. The Workington or York coach may want to pick his side but if Hull or Widnes tell his club who pay him they want this player in, he will be forced to accept. I can see a number of clubs losing their identity. For me York, Workington and Dewsbury are well down that road. If Fax did this I would stop sponsoring players etc. It wouldn't be my club that I would be proud of.

LRL, Workington's coaches are Gary Charlton, son of Paul Charlton, and Martin Oglanby, a former Town player when we won the Second Division Premiership. Both are no nonsense lads who are nobody's fools. I know for a fact that neither would want to be the Town coach if what you say is correct. If the Widnes club expect what you suggest then I would wager the link up will not last very long because it isn't going to happen. Town will use Widnes players to fill gaps due to injuries or suspensions. End of.

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