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But still, does everyone forget that Widnes finished BOTTOM of super league and got knocked out of the challenge cup by CC1 opposition? Somehow town fans seem to see Widnes as the worldbeaters they were in the early 80's, rather than whipping boys they currently are. Widnes cast offs wouldnt make me optimistic.

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Forget took time for Widnes to gel as was a new team put together.If look at results after the magic weekend there where wins and much closer games.Players like Tom Gilmore are rated more highly than Richard Myler at the same age.So I bet you would not mind that to be honest.Not all duals will be top quality and you can pick which ones want to play is a advantage.

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yeah and our school boys beat the aussie school boys year after year, but we cant do it when they get older. Argument is flawed. End of the day, only results that matter are what happens on the pitch, and stats say Widnes finished bottom last year with a bigger negative against their name than any other team since Leigh did in their one season in super league

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Oracle Finnigan and Coyle have gone to Leigh from Widnes and they where rubbish when played last year too.Widnes have some good players and won't come bottom again.

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Hope there's some fit to play for us next week mate ... Betts in RLE was talking about a lengthy injury list ! Who's left ?

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Widnes also had a lot of injuries last year to important players also did not help their postion.Not sure on Widnes players available mate.

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Living on cloud cuckoo land mate, Raiders will be mid table this season. Our pack is massive, and our backs are classier than ever. Think we can beat likesof yourselves, haven, swinton, dews, keighley, hunslet, esp at home and come away with a bonus point at the very least away from home. The players at Raiders are there cause they want to be, not cause they cant get into the squad of their own team. No subsitute for passion in a shirt

What people tend to forget is that we have a fair squad of 23 players, matching Raiders closely once everyone is

fit, its probably a squad more than capable of competing in the Championship. Of course in the bottom half but should

be just about ok to stay up. Think weakest area is probably half back when everyone is fit, but maybe

Phillips is being looked at to play there. At the start of the season though due to injuries and suspensions, the tie

in with Widnes can only be a good thing. Once everyone though is fit, only if the Widnes players can add something

to the team should they be given a place in the team. As long as Charlton and Oggy are picking the players rather than being told who to play, can't see a problem with the link up.

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Yeh it was 23 in the RLE . Young Dawes has gone missing . And these barbs are ill informed . 23 is a good sized squad , and we've 16 Cumbrians and 2 who live here . Plenty of depth given fitness , plenty of quality and plenty of local passion . Outsiders focusing on the link up should just wait n see how it works like us fans are before they make their digs . It's a sensible precaution against number depletion , and with good quality of replacement . Never knew so many were concerned with our la'al club !

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So a top side in the Championship take two Widnes rejects is ok though?

The problem is though these top champ clubs can beat you bottom SL clubs so your theory doesn't make much sense.

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Oracle one of your top men this season - Kurt Haggerty - is a Widnes reject is he not?

The Championship clubs squads are listed in todays RLE and whilst most clubs have between 24 and 26 players we have a small squad of 23!!!!

The salary cap notional value system for Championship clubs is also spelled out at the bottom of page 19 of RLE, showing how it works. So, a player like Kevin Brown coming for his 20 minute cameo as H4e was suggesting would cost on the salary cap for that 1 appearance somewhere between £750 to £1500 depending on his SL salary. That is regardless of the cost to the club it goes towards the salary cap total. So, it ain't going to happen is it?

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Thundergaz the way your posts come over you would think you have a super team but i will tell you now mate they will not be looking forward to coming to town?.

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Thundergaz the way your posts come over you would think you have a super team but i will tell you now mate they will not be looking forward to coming to town?.

We have got a very good squad Abu but my posts were not meant to come across that way and if you thought they did I appologise. No one likes going to Cumbria to play your teams but I'm very confident we will beat all 3 of your teams away and home. We have only lost 4 league games in 3 seasons. I will admit though I've never ever been as confident as I am now of beating the 3 Cumbrian teams its always hard to win in your neck of the woods but I'm very confident we have sufficient fire power to see you 3 off for the first time in ages.

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No doubt about it mate . But it's totally irrelevant . We're in two separate mini leagues here , and our season won't depend on what we do against the top 5 . I think you'll romp this league again your squad is outstanding at this level . We just need to survive by performing against the majority with the same aims as us , as Brett Carter says in his Love RL interview .

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No doubt about it mate . But it's totally irrelevant . We're in two separate mini leagues here , and our season won't depend on what we do against the top 5 . I think you'll romp this league again your squad is outstanding at this level .

I agree David I think the most important games for you 3 will be the local games and donny, York and hunslet 2 of you 6 will get relegated I think. Also I have a feeling which Cumbrian team loses the most local games between you 3 will be one of the relegated teams along with one of the other 5. But on the whole I hope you Cumbrian teams stay up because you bring more to the champ than most clubs do.

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We've all a fighting chance no doubt . Barrow are always a tough nut to crack , and pain me as it may I've no doubt Haven will be a different proposition this year under Woodsy and with some good recruitment , and we have quality in a smaller unit . The lower 9 if you like will be a fairly even scrap and after years of lesser competition I think it's just fantastic , and the shot in the arm our club needed . Being involved in this season deserves numbers flooding back to watch .

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The problem is though these top champ clubs can beat you bottom SL clubs so your theory doesn't make much sense.

Keeps Workington players fresh mate.Say a player of similar ability to a Widnes Dr player, he can have time to recover,rather than play 80% fit and not perform to his best.Yes the top Championship sides could on one off games.But the full-time players should be fitter on theory.

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Keeps Workington players fresh mate.Say a player of similar ability to a Widnes Dr player, he can have time to recover,rather than play 80% fit and not perform to his best.Yes the top Championship sides could on one off games.But the full-time players should be fitter on theory.

I totally agree with all that but our fitness levels like everything at our club now is based on Everything SL clubs do. Obviously full time training is a lot better than part time training but if we lack one thing it's not fitness but I understand teams like town etc will relish the full time fitness players.

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I totally agree with all that but our fitness levels like everything at our club now is based on Everything SL clubs do. Obviously full time training is a lot better than part time training but if we lack one thing it's not fitness but I understand teams like town etc will relish the full time fitness players.

With borrowing full-time players it should make the Championship very competitve mate.I remember Widnes in it, and thought some very good players, and if I was a Scout I would look regularly.At Featherstone I would not mind Sam Smeaton.Tommy Sexton could play Superleague, but probably got a good job to go part time.Chris Hill and Hardacker learned from the Championship.I am hoping Tom Gilmore gets game time at Workington,and then comes back as a class act.

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But still, does everyone forget that Widnes finished BOTTOM of super league and got knocked out of the challenge cup by CC1 opposition? Somehow town fans seem to see Widnes as the worldbeaters they were in the early 80's, rather than whipping boys they currently are. Widnes cast offs wouldnt make me optimistic.

No wonder alot of threads on this forum turn into slanging matches when people like you are here to post on them. I cant recall anyone making the widnes team out to be world beaters. I only sense possible excitement that some up and coming potential could be playing for town, but you appear to have got out your pram at the suggestion that Barrow's odds are a little short and hence have put a post up that comes across as a bit short if you get my drift?

Also, lets not forget its ALOT easier for a championship team to get fired up for a oneoff cup match against a 'lesser' super league team. If said championship team was in super league they'd be getting battered within a few weeks of the season starting. Comparisons due to a win in the cup are a waste of time to me.

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But still, does everyone forget that Widnes finished BOTTOM of super league and got knocked out of the challenge cup by CC1 opposition? Somehow town fans seem to see Widnes as the worldbeaters they were in the early 80's, rather than whipping boys they currently are. Widnes cast offs wouldnt make me optimistic.

Widnes have had one season of super league and got knocked out of the challenge cup by St Helens. I can see why your called Oracle......

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Up the Rams

Are you still claiming to be a dewsbury fan? Aaron Lesters nickname was luggsy (well one of them)

Probably would've been a better idea if trying to appear to not be a jam fan to not use the nickname of a jam 'legend' as your avatar

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Are you still claiming to be a dewsbury fan? Aaron Lesters nickname was luggsy (well one of them)

Probably would've been a better idea if trying to appear to not be a jam fan to not use the nickname of a jam 'legend' as your avatar

We saw through the pretend Dewsbury allegiance a while ago mate. He is fooling nobody!

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Living on cloud cuckoo land mate, Raiders will be mid table this season. Our pack is massive, and our backs are classier than ever. Think we can beat likesof yourselves, haven, swinton, dews, keighley, hunslet, esp at home and come away with a bonus point at the very least away from home. The players at Raiders are there cause they want to be, not cause they cant get into the squad of their own team. No subsitute for passion in a shirt

your pack is massive? yeah whitehead,butler etc are big guys but there about as mobile as a vending machine. you have some good players like campbell in the backs but the lads you signed from haven are pretty average at best.

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your pack is massive? yeah whitehead,butler etc are big guys but there about as mobile as a vending machine. you have some good players like campbell in the backs but the lads you signed from haven are pretty average at best.

wipers not a bad wing/centre as for haggerty he might be massive but doesnt play to his size and weight goes to ground to easy when getting tackled thats if he hasnt already knocked on when looking at his tackler

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