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Super League is big in Yorkshire. It's being shown on the Yorkshire regions (and north west I think) local news/investigational programme. I don't think it's an agenda against RL, it's a 'good' story and worthy of a look at. It's just rubbish timing for the game (but the right time for a reporter).

As long as the story is a genuine look at the game and fairly balanced, why not look into it? A few weeks ago plenty of people were haranging the press for not holding the RFL to account. Can't have it both ways. We (the game) just need to work on the positive stories.

I reckon that's the right way to take it.

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Not good, but not as bad as some other sports in the UK. I would like to see a breakdown of that debt to get a true figure as per club and how they accumalated that debt.

The first rule of busines is after start up costs you can't have more money going out than comimg in.

The bundesliga should be the blue priint for Super league, and the Rhinos should be the blue print for Rugby League clubs in super league.

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George Riley has always struck me as a bit of a miserable ###### who is definitely a glass half empty type.

And exceptionally sensitive to any comment that does not agree 100% with his POV.

I tweeted him last night when he gave a hint that this was coming, stating that I hoped the programme wasn't too negative. Seems that it is, in that it is focusing upon our debt, like other sports don't have debt. How much the content of this piece was down to Riley I don't know but if it was his piece then I'm annoyed about it. While holding the RFL and clubs to account is always a good idea, doing it in this way on the day of our premier league's season launch when we don't have title sponsors is inappropriate and unncessary.

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Super League is big in Yorkshire. It's being shown on the Yorkshire regions (and north west I think) local news/investigational programme. I don't think it's an agenda against RL, it's a 'good' story and worthy of a look at. It's just rubbish timing for the game (but the right time for a reporter).

As long as the story is a genuine look at the game and fairly balanced, why not look into it? A few weeks ago plenty of people were haranging the press for not holding the RFL to account. Can't have it both ways. We (the game) just need to work on the positive stories.

Plus, this is a 10 minute slot in a regional opt-out show that goes out against ITV's top rating soap Coronation Street. It's hardly Panorama. In terms of boosting their audience, all this gnashing of teeth before it has even aired will be working a treat on their behalf. Maybe that's why they have opted to look for a 'negative' slanted story? If it had been a positive story, people would be moaning that in this slot it was being buried away in the schedules. ;)

Might be worth watching it first, to see what is said and how it is presented, rather than jumping to conclusions in advance about whether it is a hatchet job or not. Who knows, it might be balanced, factual and interesting. If it isn't, then let em have it both barrels.

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Plus, this is a 10 minute slot in a regional opt-out show that goes out against ITV's top rating soap Coronation Street. It's hardly Panorama.

That's part of the problem though. A 10 minute slot doesn't exactly provide opportunity for exploring the situation in depth and obtaining differing views to give a rounded and balanced item. However, I think it is the timing of this particular subject which has gotten on people's nerves. It really is unnecessary, no matter what the actual content is like.

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see what is said and how it is presented

You have to assume that what is being said mirrors the BBC's own trail stories for it?

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Yeah John....but why now? Why are these stories always put out at the seasons launch? Why not in 6 weeks time?

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Plus, this is a 10 minute slot in a regional opt-out show that goes out against ITV's top rating soap Coronation Street. It's hardly Panorama. In terms of boosting their audience, all this gnashing of teeth before it has even aired will be working a treat on their behalf. Maybe that's why they have opted to look for a 'negative' slanted story? If it had been a positive story, people would be moaning that in this slot it was being buried away in the schedules. ;)

Might be worth watching it first, to see what is said and how it is presented, rather than jumping to conclusions in advance about whether it is a hatchet job or not. Who knows, it might be balanced, factual and interesting. If it isn't, then let em have it both barrels.

rather than jumping to conclusions in advance if we all took that advice this forum would be pretty quiet

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Yeah John....but why now? Why are these stories always put out at the seasons launch? Why not in 6 weeks time?

Same reason the whole media was full of negative stories about how the London Olympic Games were going to be an utter disaster all the way up to and including the day of the opening ceremony, at which point they were all proved wrong because the public had been ignoring them and had made up their own minds they were looking forward to it and were determined to enjoy it, shock horror.

Negative news makes good copy/sells papers/pulls in viewers, but it doesn't necessarily follow that is has any impact.

The reaction to this piece is far in excess of any impact it will have, but it has guaranteed it a bigger audience than it would have had before.

Most people will be watching Corrie.

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That's part of the problem though. A 10 minute slot doesn't exactly provide opportunity for exploring the situation in depth and obtaining differing views to give a rounded and balanced item. However, I think it is the timing of this particular subject which has gotten on people's nerves. It really is unnecessary, no matter what the actual content is like.

Would you rather it was a whole hour on Panorama? :blink:

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But we aren't the Olympics or soccer and most people will never read past the RL skint bit.

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But we aren't the Olympics or soccer and most people will never read past the RL skint bit.

Most people won't even notice this programme is on, or bother to watch it.

I just think we need to keep a sense of perspective.

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Yeah John....but why now? Why are these stories always put out at the seasons launch? Why not in 6 weeks time?

A publisher would do the story (if story has no set time constraint) when media interest in the subject is highest. For RL thats season start, Challenge cup and Grand Final. Any other time of the year and story more likely to be ignored...

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Same reason the whole media was full of negative stories about how the London Olympic Games were going to be an utter disaster all the way up to and including the day of the opening ceremony, at which point they were all proved wrong because the public had been ignoring them and had made up their own minds they were looking forward to it and were determined to enjoy it, shock horror.

The difference being, John, that in-between this kind of thing rugby league's status in the media is forever being rendered invisible. It might as well not exist. While other sports are mythologised and their exponents hyped-up beyond credence, rugby league's story is written out altogether - or else usually written by the poison pens of those who affect to loathe it.

If the game is considered worthless for the rest of the time, then it is hard to convince people who love the game that reports such as this one are anything but worthless too. After all, it's not as if they care, is it?

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Would you rather it was a whole hour on Panorama? :blink:

You're out of touch.

Panoroma is a twenty minute talking-heads sequence bookended by a man in a bright shirt talking urgently.

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The difference being, John, that in-between this kind of thing rugby league's status in the media is forever being rendered invisible. It might as well not exist. While other sports are mythologised and their exponents hyped-up beyond credence, rugby league's story is written out altogether - or else usually written by the poison pens of those who affect to loathe it.

If the game is considered worthless for the rest of the time, then it is hard to convince people who love the game that reports such as this one are anything but worthless too. After all, it's not as if they care, is it?

I'm not defending the programme (it's not even a whole programme, only a third of one), I'm just suggesting that people keep a sense of perspective about it, given how long it is and where it is scheduled, and possibly even wait to see it before judging it.

The Super League Show, also broadcast by the BBC, is much longer in duration, shows the sport in a largely positive light and runs the whole season.

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I'm all for re-organising the game into something that "lives within it's means" after a fashion but I'm not one for turning down the millions rich man may want to lavish on us and not want (or be able to) demand back.

Actually you have posted many times that the RFL ought to "force the M62 clubs to accept less Sky money so that Broncos could be properly funded by the RFL". You even once argued that Sky cash ought to be divided into regional pots with Yorkshire, the North West and London getting equal shares to divide between SL clubs in their region i.e. that Broncos should get 1/3rd of all the cash. You were quite impervious to the fact that this would bankrupt all the northern clubs.

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The difference being, John, that in-between this kind of thing rugby league's status in the media is forever being rendered invisible. It might as well not exist. While other sports are mythologised and their exponents hyped-up beyond credence, rugby league's story is written out altogether - or else usually written by the poison pens of those who affect to loathe it.

If the game is considered worthless for the rest of the time, then it is hard to convince people who love the game that reports such as this one are anything but worthless too. After all, it's not as if they care, is it?

Precisely. If we had several 'good news' pieces to counteract the bad ones, then fair enough. But these annual 'rl is almost dead' stories are the only things we seem to get.

And it must have been mentioned on 5Live because a guy(non RL fan) said to me this morning 'what's this about all the SL clubs being skint and the game being in trouble'?

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I'm not defending the programme (it's not even a whole programme, only a third of one), I'm just suggesting that people keep a sense of perspective about it, given how long it is and where it is scheduled, and possibly even wait to see it before judging it.

The Super League Show, also broadcast by the BBC, is much longer in duration, shows the sport in a largely positive light and runs the whole season.

It's a highlights package show that wasn't properly made available to those of us who fell in love with the sport far away from the game's heartlands. I could walk for miles and not find a single person who has even heard of this show, let alone watched it. And, anyway, I'm not asking for favours - is that how you see the Super League show? It is a pitiful state of affairs that, just because Riley likes rugby league and even mentions it in passing on the radio, then we should all be so grateful...

I will not see this report - as I will not see the advert promoting the new season. For different reasons, both of these things upset me.

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I'm not defending the programme (it's not even a whole programme, only a third of one), I'm just suggesting that people keep a sense of perspective about it, given how long it is and where it is scheduled, and possibly even wait to see it before judging it.

The Super League Show, also broadcast by the BBC, is much longer in duration, shows the sport in a largely positive light and runs the whole season.

I'm not defending the programme (it's not even a whole programme, only a third of one), I'm just suggesting that people keep a sense of perspective about it, given how long it is and where it is scheduled, and possibly even wait to see it before judging it.

The Super League Show, also broadcast by the BBC, is much longer in duration, shows the sport in a largely positive light and runs the whole season.

Its a conspiracy against Rugby League John, they just don't like us! Andy Wilson hates us, George Riley doesn't like us and the BBC treat us like second class sporting citizens.

And they get on about Fev fans being paranoid. Deary me!

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I agree with those who decry the timing and doomsday slant of this report.

Bewteen us afficionados on here though, it has been apparent for some time that many of the SL clubs cannot operate whilst paying full salary cap wages. Eventually, if this carries on for long enough then Salford, Bradford, Crusaders, Wakefield type financial meltdowns occur,

I get the point made that if half the league plays on reduced salary caps wages then many uncompetitive matches may be the result when they play the big boys. However, this is almost the case now when top plays bottom four or five.

I get the point, although I don't agree with it, that the league should scale back to a big profitable club only competition, but then, what to do with the rest excluded from this small group.

Unless the suggested mega club concept looks like emerging in sufficient numbers to be an operable competition, then I do not this as a solution any time soon.

I think therefore that, uneven games or no, clubs who cannot afford to pay top wages should pay less. This is probably more than half the league so there will be competition between the have nots to get a lower playoff spot.

Of course, should any of the lower salary cap teams snare a big investor, then they can always pay top cap wages again.

The alternative to wage cuts is more bankruptcies and so far we have been lucky. The next time a club might die, as indeed, did our Welsh experiment at SL level.

So whilst this journalist might be a muck racking opportunist playing his cards at exactly the wrong time and ignoring any positives that are out there re the game, there is no smoke without fire and the league, the SL. and the individual clubs need to take a long hard look at the financial situation they are in and cut their cloth to suit or it will end up being their shroud.

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Not getting the full Sky TV allocation - they went bust, they need to be punished, take it like a man.

Bradford v Saints clashing with Bradford City - no of course you can't shift your match to clash with the WCC where we want the whole focus on rugby league to be.

No THEY didn't go bust, it was the previous management, who now have no connection.

I think trying to minimise the inevitable loss of income which will ensue from the City cup final is the right and proper thing to do, only a total idiot would just sit back and accept it. If the RFL veto the Friday night plan, well so be it, but they have to try.

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Something irks that the news story airing today isn't a coincedence.

Well the BBC do have the 6 Nations starting this weekend, for which they grossly overpaid, so the timing isn't all that surprising really.

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Well the BBC do have the 6 Nations starting this weekend, for which they grossly overpaid, so the timing isn't all that surprising really.

True. I'm still dumbfounded these two competitions start on the same weekend. It must be their fault...

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