Archived

This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.

buford t justice

Alex Walmsley

65 posts in this topic

Hardened perhaps Robin, but struggling with supporting the club and game I have loved and followed for over 45 years.

DD I would stop watching Fev if we became involved in the DR system that's going on and I've watched Fev for over 25 years. I'm that angry with it that I feel that strongly against it that I'm not going to the away game tomorrow and I haven't missed one game away or home in 25 years. I am totally against it and If I attend tomorrow and pay the attendance fee to watch my team I feel like I would be supporting the DR system and I just can't bring myself to put my hand in my pocket and give it to a SL A team. I might change my mind after missing the game as I might miss not attending the game but it shouldn't have come to this IMO.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I don't blame anyone for making there own decision whether to attend or not but i will be there tommorrow night and I totally understand the Batley people and supporters of other clubs attending matches The reason to go is to support the players who put the body on the line to entertain us every week As I have said before its not the supporters fault that this has happened it's the championships chairman who are at fault for linking up

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I have never felt more despondent and disillusioned about the game in all those years. Sad.

Me as well Robin, after more than 50 years watching and working for the game I feel like I've been kicked in the guts. Sickening, I never thought we could stoop so low. Famous old clubs reduced to A teams, disgraceful!

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Me as well Robin, after more than 50 years watching and working for the game I feel like I've been kicked in the guts. Sickening, I never thought we could stoop so low. Famous old clubs reduced to A teams, disgraceful!

we have played 2 games , and no Giant players have played yet , we have alex n flemin on season long dr,s from saints n cas , i can live with that , but a different 4 or 5 players each week like huns an swinton are doing is a totally different scenario

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I support the original DR system whereby a couple of young players gained experience with a Championship club. It was good to see talented young players at this level (this includes a certain Mr Walmsley who was still playing in student games last year and hasn't played an SL game yet). However, I'm totally against a system that uses the Championship clubs as a sort of A team. It's a sad state of affairs when SL clubs feel that they cannot afford to run a second string.

It has been widely stated that there will be no pressure on the Championship clubs to play the DR players; but surely there will be temptation for a SL club to threaten to sever their tie with a Championship club if they feel that their needs are not being met?

I don't go to many away games these days,and I pick and choose those which I will attend. Part of the criteria this season will be that I won't be visiting teams that I believe are abusing the system. Two teams mentioned by Batley Bob in the previous post will not get my custom.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

we have played 2 games , and no Giant players have played yet , we have alex n flemin on season long dr,s from saints n cas , i can live with that , but a different 4 or 5 players each week like huns an swinton are doing is a totally different scenario

And therein lies the point. Despite most people lumping Batley into the disgrace of DR, we aren't actually abusing it (certainly at present). It would not in any way surprise me if we play most of the season with BATLEY players in the 17. The only way the DR system will be "abused" by Batley is if there is a major injury crisis at the Mount. In the games against Keighley and Sheffield we have fielded a total of 2 DR slots out of 34 (both times Walmsley, who was a Batley player anyway last season). I really don't see a scenario where we have 5 SL cast-offs in the 17 at any time this season, but I do agree that it's a farce that some teams are choosing this route. It makes an absolute lottery of the fixture list.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

And therein lies the point. Despite most people lumping Batley into the disgrace of DR, we aren't actually abusing it (certainly at present). It would not in any way surprise me if we play most of the season with BATLEY players in the 17. The only way the DR system will be "abused" by Batley is if there is a major injury crisis at the Mount. In the games against Keighley and Sheffield we have fielded a total of 2 DR slots out of 34 (both times Walmsley, who was a Batley player anyway last season). I really don't see a scenario where we have 5 SL cast-offs in the 17 at any time this season, but I do agree that it's a farce that some teams are choosing this route. It makes an absolute lottery of the fixture list.

I have said it before, but the only truly outstanding dual reg player we have had has been McGilvary. Others have been OK but only JMc was outstanding. Walmesley is ours so I do not count him! I honestly believe we could have and would survive without the partnership with the Giants. However the medical support is an added bonus.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I have said it before, but the only truly outstanding dual reg player we have had has been McGilvary. Others have been OK but only JMc was outstanding. Walmesley is ours so I do not count him! I honestly believe we could have and would survive without the partnership with the Giants. However the medical support is an added bonus.

McGilvray was a season-long loan signing, and not on dual registration - as was Matty Wildie in 2012. The 'dual reg' players who have played at Batley since the concept's inaugural season in 2010 are ; Kyle Wood, Alex Brown, Josh Griffin, James Green and Alex Walmsley.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

McGilvray was a season-long loan signing, and not on dual registration - as was Matty Wildie in 2012. The 'dual reg' players who have played at Batley since the concept's inaugural season in 2010 are ; Kyle Wood, Alex Brown, Josh Griffin, James Green and Alex Walmsley.

Apologies if I got it wrong, but didn't JM come and play at the back end of one season before he came on a season long loan. I am as always happy to be corrected.

However, my main point is that he is the only outstanding loanee of any kind that I can remember, the others were decent but did not make our team markedly better. Actually maybe Aaron Murphy did but we were quite a poor team at the time.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Me as well Robin, after more than 50 years watching and working for the game I feel like I've been kicked in the guts. Sickening, I never thought we could stoop so low. Famous old clubs reduced to A teams, disgraceful!

There has been no bigger critic than me of "twinning" between clubs, but in actual fact it is a paper exercise. The bottom line is that no SL team is going to release their top players to the championship, and if they did, because theyare effectively hired, the club concerned couldn't afford them - how much do you reckon sam tomkins would cost to hire ? It seems to me nobody has much of a problem with DR (fev did it last year) except when they are from one club. Some fev supporters will boycott the rams match tomorrow, and that is their perogative, but there will only be two bulls players in the team tomorrow, neither of whom are any better than what we have already, so fev certainly won't be playing against the full bulls squad. Personally I am against more than two or three DR's being allowed at any one time per club, but having said that, one of the two signed up for us at the beginning of last season never got released, which put us at a disadvantage. Now I am going to throw something else into the mix - could it be that fev, like fax, are not going down the same route as us "lesser" clubs because they have genuine SL aspirations, aspirations that could not be realised if they were merely a SL clubs #####. I therefore would suggest that DP's objections are more pragmatic than moral.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

There has been no bigger critic than me of "twinning" between clubs, but in actual fact it is a paper exercise. The bottom line is that no SL team is going to release their top players to the championship, and if they did, because theyare effectively hired, the club concerned couldn't afford them - how much do you reckon sam tomkins would cost to hire ? It seems to me nobody has much of a problem with DR (fev did it last year) except when they are from one club. Some fev supporters will boycott the rams match tomorrow, and that is their perogative, but there will only be two bulls players in the team tomorrow, neither of whom are any better than what we have already, so fev certainly won't be playing against the full bulls squad. Personally I am against more than two or three DR's being allowed at any one time per club, but having said that, one of the two signed up for us at the beginning of last season never got released, which put us at a disadvantage. Now I am going to throw something else into the mix - could it be that fev, like fax, are not going down the same route as us "lesser" clubs because they have genuine SL aspirations, aspirations that could not be realised if they were merely a SL clubs #####. I therefore would suggest that DP's objections are more pragmatic than moral.

then you are wrong.

And I don't know anyone who intends boycotting the game this aft.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Daryl will be over there this aft. He's a very likeable and approachable chap who makes the time to talk to anyone. For clarification on your assumption grumpyone, just ask him. He'll explain his feekings in depth directly to you should you wish. If that's not convenient to you I guess its down to folks like me on public fora to put over my own views, which do resonate with daryl and the fev bod

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Hmmm would Fev have taken the services of some duel reg players in their dark days before they were relgated to the lowest div (not too long ago)?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Hmmm would Fev have taken the services of some duel reg players in their dark days before they were relgated to the lowest div (not too long ago)?

I bloody well hope not. I would sooner have seen us play juniors or locals rather than have gone down that route .

I cant obviously say what the then board would have done. But my opposition to it would have been equally as vociferous to it as I am now.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

then you are wrong.

And I don't know anyone who intends boycotting the game this aft.

DD I would stop watching Fev if we became involved in the DR system that's going on and I've watched Fev for over 25 years. I'm that angry with it that I feel that strongly against it that I'm not going to the away game tomorrow and I haven't missed one game away or home in 25 years. I am totally against it and If I attend tomorrow and pay the attendance fee to watch my team I feel like I would be supporting the DR system and I just can't bring myself to put my hand in my pocket and give it to a SL A team. I might change my mind after missing the game as I might miss not attending the game but it shouldn't have come to this IMO.

Presumably you don't know him then ? :lol: Look Robin, I'm not having a go - FWIW we are, for different reasons on the same side with regard to DR, but the argument holds good, fev need to remain independent to have a chance of SL, and some clubs can't hope to compete with the likes of fev when it comes to attracting top championship talent, which more or less gives the big three a monopoly. For instance Steve cossley did not want to leave the rams, but was offered more than double what we could afford by fev, and I have no reason to believe things will be any different next year. If it turns out that our DR's are any good, and surplus to requirements at Bradford, you'll have the opportunity to sign them for 2014 without leaving the rams faithful feeling shafted. ;)

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    No registered users viewing this page.



Rugby League World - April 2017

League Express - Mon 10th April 2017