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dual reg players bad idea or not ?

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Hunslet got 2 new dual regs for this weekend Kylie Leuluai and Richard Moore

Dualing (or duelling) with the dark side must be a real inner conflict for you guys - like watching the mother in law drive over a cliff in you're new BMW. I'd say if those two, plus keinhorst become regulars, you ain't going to struggle this season. Still think it' s the thin end of a b loody big wedge for the championship though. :wacko:

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Dualing (or duelling) with the dark side must be a real inner conflict for you guys - like watching the mother in law drive over a cliff in you're new BMW. I'd say if those two, plus keinhorst become regulars, you ain't going to struggle this season. Still think it' s the thin end of a b loody big wedge for the championship though. :wacko:

They'd be relegated due to breaking the salary cap.

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dual reg players bad idea or not ?

It depends!

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Bad idea

would rather have young players coming thru

going on to super league.

rather than been used by super league as somewhere convienient to loan players as a money saving ploy.

we had gathered a promising collection of lads

this season....how many here are at the season

will show if duel reg has worked or not

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It will kill the credibility of the Championship which prior to this was a very good competition.We saw last weekend with Swinton contriving to facilitate the playing of three established Super League stars in the team to play Workington.Five previously registered Drs were afforded permanent deals although it later transpired that they could be loanded back to the partner club if agreed.The RFL needs to amend the rules so that the proper objectives of the DR system are clarified.

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If its used properly I think it's a good idea. By properly I mean DR young uns not first teamers and DR for injuries etc. Im more worried about where the current system is heading than teams DR ing SL first teamers I think it's a slippy slope that clubs may not be able to climb back up especially when these clubs that are DR ing the players are our so called rich teams I wonder if eventually Leeds and wire will buy hunslet and swinton and turn them into their reserve squads? I know it isn't aloud to happen at the minute and it maybe a bit far fetched but I can honestly see it happening further down the line we might end up with a SL reserve league.

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Bad idea

would rather have young players coming thru

going on to super league.

rather than been used by super league as somewhere convienient to loan players as a money saving ploy.

we had gathered a promising collection of lads

this season....how many here are at the season

will show if duel reg has worked or not

got to go wi coolie on this one.

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On what ?

Many things.

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I thought Hood and Singleton were good for us and good for them last season, so if done properly agree with Thundergaz. Remember Hood saying it was a step up from SLreserves and Singleton helped fill the gap left by Fozzards retirement and has moved onto SL albeit with Trinity.

But this season it is becoming farcical, DRing whole squads, Swinton situation is ludicrous and long term cannot see it being good for Swinton. But no doubt come the end of this season, the rules will be tightened up and this stopped.

With due respect to Fev neither do I think clubs spending unsustainable amounts of money trying to gain SL status is good for CC. What will happen to two of the three clubs who won't get in? Thought the whole point of licences was to stop clubs overspending trying to get promoted.

Sunday's result a foregone conclusion before a ball os kicked based on Fev playing budget being 5x or 10x that of the Rams. Is this any less of a farce? Is having a sugar daddy' part of SL entry criteria?

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I thought Hood and Singleton were good for us and good for them last season, so if done properly agree with Thundergaz. Remember Hood saying it was a step up from SLreserves and Singleton helped fill the gap left by Fozzards retirement and has moved onto SL albeit with Trinity.

But this season it is becoming farcical, DRing whole squads, Swinton situation is ludicrous and long term cannot see it being good for Swinton. But no doubt come the end of this season, the rules will be tightened up and this stopped.

With due respect to Fev neither do I think clubs spending unsustainable amounts of money trying to gain SL status is good for CC. What will happen to two of the three clubs who won't get in? Thought the whole point of licences was to stop clubs overspending trying to get promoted.

Sunday's result a foregone conclusion before a ball os kicked based on Fev playing budget being 5x or 10x that of the Rams. Is this any less of a farce? Is having a sugar daddy' part of SL entry criteria?

It's the same for SL though four are big spenders and the rest get the scraps. But we could of done a Widnes ticked a box and said stuff it. You can't please everyone no matter what you do.

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BSJ you said in pre season we hadn't recruited well this season do you still feel the same? Wish you were a bookie

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BSJ you said in pre season we hadn't recruited well this season do you still feel the same? Wish you were a bookie

Did I say "well" or "many"? I don't remember.

If the DR pans out as many are fearing then recruitment may become less important as the season progresses. maybe you should have recruited a SL partner (or maybe not).

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Would they though?

Well according to the rules they should be. Whether anyone who breaks these rules is subjected to such punishments is not for any of us lesser mortals to say.

As far as the salary cap is concerned there are strictly laid down criteria for how much each DR player who makes a first team appearance will "cost" the championship club for that appearance, so I expect these criteria to have been created for some purpose.

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The original concept of a Championship club being a bit short of cover in a certain position and then taking a up and coming young lad who plays in that position from a SL team was, IMO, a good idea. It was to everyones benefit, the Championship club got an additional body, the player gained valuable match time playing at a decent level and the SL club could watch their player develop and see if he would make the grade. That was fine when clubs took 1 or 2 players maximum from a club, and could take them from whichever club they reached agreement with.

Now that it has been changed so that players can only be taken from the SL club that the Championship club is partnered with then this in effect means that the SL club holds all the aces. It may well be that the Championship coach doesn't fancy any of that particular SL clubs young players for a particular position and he is prevented from recruiting from another SL club.

I feel the rules will need to be looked at, if after this sunday's match, it is found that 2 of the Hunslet props who must have played ok last sunday are replaced by the 2 Rhinos players who are recovering from injury. If an age limit is not to be brought in, then perhaps a minimum period when the player has to remain with the Championship club should be considered.

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I think there are pro's and cons to it, as with most things

Rugby league is a spectator sport and an entertainment product - if it helps get people paying money to come through the gate then that has to be a good thing. If it does has yet to be seen though?

I also think that the young lads coming through championship clubs can learn and develop playing and training with guys who have been there and done it

The real down side I can see is that because of the short termism of the players availability, teams could lose out on a play off spot etc because they lose a game they may have otherwise won if the dual reg'ers hadn't played against them? be interesting at the end of the season to see who misses out

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They'd be relegated due to breaking the salary cap.

Moore was vert much a fringe player last year, leuluai doesn't look quite good enough for a top four SL outfit, and keinhorst is already turning out for hunslet, so I would imagine they are affordable. Let's be realistic for a minute though, hunslet won't be getting ryan atkins under any circumstances any more than we will get jarrad sammutt. So why double reg them in the first place ( I assume hunslet will eventually go down the same road as us). If this farce has to happen, why don't the league publish the hire value of every SL squad member so the figures are transparent, and dual reg every hireable player with every Championship club - that way we can get the players we need to fill a position instead of what we are offered by one club. I still firmly believe there should be a minimum availability of one month to make the arrangement worthwhile.

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Would they though?

If barrow did in 2011 then yes

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I think there are pro's and cons to it, as with most things

Rugby league is a spectator sport and an entertainment product - if it helps get people paying money to come through the gate then that has to be a good thing. If it does has yet to be seen though?

I also think that the young lads coming through championship clubs can learn and develop playing and training with guys who have been there and done it

The real down side I can see is that because of the short termism of the players availability, teams could lose out on a play off spot etc because they lose a game they may have otherwise won if the dual reg'ers hadn't played against them? be interesting at the end of the season to see who misses out

The option is open to all clubs. If you lose out at the end of the season because your club wants to make a stand, so be it. As much as a lot of supporters/clubs don't agree with it, it's happening. RL clubs are a business just like any other. Move with the times or perish!

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Well according to the rules they should be. Whether anyone who breaks these rules is subjected to such punishments is not for any of us lesser mortals to say.

As far as the salary cap is concerned there are strictly laid down criteria for how much each DR player who makes a first team appearance will "cost" the championship club for that appearance, so I expect these criteria to have been created for some purpose.

My point is that the 'values' assigned to these DR players is actually pitifully low. I'd guess the 2 Leeds props are in to £50-100Kpa category meaning that if both played in every league game it would only count as £52k against Hunslet's salary cap. Now, I haven't seen this year's salary cap rules but if it's a straight max of £300k then I'd doubt Hunslet are spending over £248k meaning they could actually play them in every league game.

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Dont agree with Dual Reg at all, but thought it was a bit rich of the Fev coach to start casting aspercions . Fev might not have a link up, they dont need one. They just nick everbody elses better players, as we know to our cost. If we had the funds to recruit everybody else's best players at the end of each season we probably wouldnt bother with it. Ceratinly Glen is doing more to bring young English players on than a certain D Powell.

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