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Rugby league in Aussie doping scandal

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On the Guardian website's rugby league section there are now 4 - count 'em! - articles on and around the issue of drugs... somebody remind me never again to complain about the way national newspapers treat this sport.

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I will happily place the blame for Wigan's defeat tonight on a Far Eastern crime syndicate.

Is there a syndicate in Westhoughton? :)

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Don't joke. it's actually in Leigh. Very fishy if you ask me, which you haven't.

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I had a nosey on SL website and one of the tweets it picked up with #rugbyleague was that there were vials (sp?) of urine stashed in the plumbing of the Gold Coast home dressing room.

The above is true however Skilled Park has been used by a few other teams in the past year. A-League football, World RU Sevens Series and a RU test between Australia and South Africa. Also, Luke Patten former NRL player has come out and said you cant hide anything in a drugs test, you have to take p.iss with your trousers round your ankles, they basically watch you. I dont think what they found was the Titans

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The above is true however Skilled Park has been used by a few other teams in the past year. A-League football, World RU Sevens Series and a RU test between Australia and South Africa. Also, Luke Patten former NRL player has come out and said you cant hide anything in a drugs test, you have to take p.iss with your trousers round your ankles, they basically watch you. I dont think what they found was the Titans

The testers will watch the pee leaving you to hitting the jar. Not a nice job, but to many people have tried to con the testers.

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I'd be ok, I don't think they'd bring there own high powered microscope... :(:unsure:

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Listened to a bit of 2GB last night (news headlines) and there was no mention of it at all. Has it died down?

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Listened to a bit of 2GB last night (news headlines) and there was no mention of it at all. Has it died down?

Not at all. Still back page coverage. They'll be naming and shaming the RL players next week apparently.

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My post seems to have been removed ...... I only commented that HGH apparently gives you exaggerated features such as brow line and jaw and then suggested there are some obvious examples of this in SL!

You'd hope all players at WC get same level if testing.

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I am not being cynical and as has been mentioned by others on here the revelations concerning football and the rigging of games on a worldwide basis occurring. However it does seem coincidental that within 24 hours of that story breaking that this furore over doping and match rigging in what seems to be Australia only and the sports astigated as being laden with vile cheats upon an industrial scale are non-soccer (yet) and in the case of thr AFL a sport confined ( I think?) to Australia and the other big player that is R/L which is the only place on the planet where R/L has the supremecy over all other sports therein, including Football!!

I do notcondole any of what is being purported, should it be so but a maxim in some circles is that if you can sling more sh**e than the others then it is very possible that you can win the argument, just a thought. ;)

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I am not being cynical and as has been mentioned by others on here the revelations concerning football and the rigging of games on a worldwide basis occurring. However it does seem coincidental that within 24 hours of that story breaking that this furore over doping and match rigging in what seems to be Australia only and the sports astigated as being laden with vile cheats upon an industrial scale are non-soccer (yet) and in the case of thr AFL a sport confined ( I think?) to Australia and the other big player that is R/L which is the only place on the planet where R/L has the supremecy over all other sports therein, including Football!!

I do notcondole any of what is being purported, should it be so but a maxim in some circles is that if you can sling more sh**e than the others then it is very possible that you can win the argument, just a thought. ;)

It's an Australian government investigation, not an international one.

Only makes sense that NRL/AFL are the two comps heavily investigated, as soccer and union in Australia are tiny fish in Australia's sports ocean, if it wasn't clear enough to everyone already.

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It's an Australian government investigation, not an international one.

Only makes sense that NRL/AFL are the two comps heavily investigated, as soccer and union in Australia are tiny fish in Australia's sports ocean, if it wasn't clear enough to everyone already.

Clear enough to all except the BBC and all other UK media.

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A week gone and still no names and evidence. The witchhunt has damaged our sport as well as others. It was said Drugs are rife in the code. No sport is 100% clean and we all want the cheats caught and banned. But this is a disgrace now. The 6 NRL clubs named has seen Manly, Cronulla have been announced clean. http://www.foxsports...39#.URty-Wfybct and http://www.foxsports...31#.URtzEWfybct . North Queensland are well unhappy and with good reason http://www.foxsports...06#.URtzSmfybcv. If Drugs was so rife as was originally made out why no names or arrests? Why are clubs being given the green light? What evidence has ASADA that the NRL is so full of drugs? Lets have the evidence! The whole thing has been a farce nad has caused untold damage.

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why don't you wait till ASADA start testing all the blood samples they have in frozen storage before clearing everyone.....sure players may have past the pee and hair sample test...but their blood,while taken,was'nt tested....and blood testing is the only way to detect HGH...

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A week gone and still no names and evidence. The witchhunt has damaged our sport as well as others. It was said Drugs are rife in the code. No sport is 100% clean and we all want the cheats caught and banned. But this is a disgrace now. The 6 NRL clubs named has seen Manly, Cronulla have been announced clean. http://www.foxsports...39#.URty-Wfybct and http://www.foxsports...31#.URtzEWfybct . North Queensland are well unhappy and with good reason http://www.foxsports...06#.URtzSmfybcv. If Drugs was so rife as was originally made out why no names or arrests? Why are clubs being given the green light? What evidence has ASADA that the NRL is so full of drugs? Lets have the evidence! The whole thing has been a farce nad has caused untold damage.

They haven't given any names yet because the intention was to frighten the offenders into taking up the amnesty and coming clean "before it's too late" ie. they get get arrested and charged for real. That's why there's no "evidence" yet. All we've had is a press conference and a media campaign - and it's manna from heaven for the crappy Aussie infotainment/current affairs nexus. Mind you they aren't that brilliant in the UK - John Snow on Channel 4 news "interviewed" some moronic sports reporter from channel 10, which is a bit like asking a channel 5 weather girl to explain global warning.

I personally think this is mostly a case of a career building by some overpaid big wigs running a federally funded organised crime-busting body in it's 10th year that hasn't actually pulled off any major coups yet. I'd be surprised if the eventual haul of footballing cheats justifies the hype.

So far, as far as RL is concerned (I don't give pair of skimpy shorts about AwFuL), all they've got to show is one bloke who plays for one of Souths' feeder clubs.

I made a post earlier about match fixing, which is much more worrying IMHO.

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Good and fair article. Thanks. You will always get somebody trying to cheat in some form- its human nature. But I doubt its so rife as the original report came out with. With Terry Newton and can fully understand why he took the hormones if it releaved the pain. I have back and shoulder problems and sometimes I cant walk properly or pick something up and frustrates me I cant do training etc at times. But he was wrong to take HGH and was rightly banned. I hope that things are sorted out soon and I am still very strongly against the Media and Government releasing this report when there is no evidence and is more a witchhunt based on stories and not evidence. Its tainted many people and clubs who are innocent and thats wrong for me. The Match Fixing is as somebody said a worse thing than the Drugs allegedly involved in Sport. I dont think it is good that the NRL ( as well as AFL) are so heavily involved with betting companys, especially with the Ryan Tandy incident in 2010. A few changes need to be done in the game and sport in general both regarding Drugs and the role of betting companies. But the way the ACC have done things is totally out of order and the investigation seems to be done very poorly as the betting companies are seemingly not being asked any questions which you think would happen regarding Match Fixing. http://www.foxsports.com.au/other-sports/bookmakers-and-betting-agencies-not-consulted-by-acc-over-claims-of-rorts-and-match-fixing/story-fnh9oq7q-1226578435320#.UR_B_PK06sA

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A League soccer and Aussie no rules were fingered on Radio 5 live this morning.

RU will be clean as a whistle, no doubt?

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No doubt to be followed by short bans so they will be rested and readily drugged up for the World Cup. Same old Aussies always cheating

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It's understood the products were not on the World Anti-Doping Agency's banned list at the time but both were included in the Australian Crime Commission report into doping and match fixing under the heading "Performance and Image Enhancing Substances''.

I do feel this is more a witchhunt or over reaction rather than anything more. The Australian Government made this song and dance about a month ago with no names or real evidence. Time drags on and it seems there still is no real evidence and that now the alleged substances were not on the WADA banned list. So where is the doping? And If its not on the Wada List then why are people being threatened with a ban? The Australian Government for me have made a mess and still are just throwing out accusations based on nothing but a hunch and why are they not working with WADA? If the evidence is there then lets see it. All this uncertainty is ridicuklous. if the players or clubs are guilty then lets have it and see penalties enforced straight away. Right now its unclear whats happening and nobody seems to know

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Totally agree with what you say sounds to me like a bunch of champagne socialist bureaucrats just trying to justify their miserable positions, whilst they do ###### all other than sit on their backsides waiting for index liked pay increases and pensions whilst the rest of us are suffering.Thank god we have UKIP in the UK that will sort the mess out for us we can always sent Nigel Farage over to OZ once he has locked up Milliband/Cameron/Clegg and all the other left wing idiots up:)))CM

Sounds to me like you're clueless about politics and should read a book, or a few Wikipedia articles if nothing else :lol:

Champagne socialists? Milliband, Cameron and Clegg are left wing? UKIP running the country? I'll have what you're smoking.

But yes, this entire investigation seems flaky.

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Not much wrong with UKIP imo. However I think Blackpool should resurface in C1 as there are so many East Europeans in the town they could field a team of Rumanian stars and have a big following as well.

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