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RFL statement on Kylie Leuluai

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The RFL has been informed by the UK Border Agency that under the terms of his visa, Kylie Leuluai of Leeds Rhinos is unable to play for Hunslet Hawks as a dual-registered player.

The RFL has recently lobbied the UKBA for a change to the rules which prevent players on Tier 2 visas playing for a second club on a short-term arrangement. This follows on from changes to the Super League Academy structure, which from 2013 is an exclusively under-19s competition, an arrangement that means open-age overseas Tier 2 visa players returning from injury cannot gain match fitness on short-term loans or dual registrations.

Dialogue with the UKBA continues but the UKBA have confirmed that until any change in circumstance is agreed, under existing provisions no player on a Tier 2 visa can be dual registered.

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John Ledger

Communications Manager

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Better hope no overseas players get injuries cos they'll have nowhere to play to get back to fitness, it'll be SL or nothing. Shame that.

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Better hope no overseas players get injuries cos they'll have nowhere to play to get back to fitness, it'll be SL or nothing. Shame that.

The Bulls are trying to organise a loan deal for Purtell to Dewsbury.

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I was disappointed it wasn't;

RFL statement on Kylie Leuluai

Kylie is a girls' name.

John Ledger

Communications Manager

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i agree as part of widnes deal with workington, none of our over seas players can go on dual reg apart from magraff leuleuai because he was born in wakefield...

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What a shame for Hunslet. All that planning for the weekend just gone up in smoke.

Just wait on before you crow.

Hetherington may be putting through a full takeover through companies house as we speak.

Kylie may yet get to play for "his club" Sunday.

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Just wait on before you crow.

Hetherington may be putting through a full takeover through companies house as we speak.

Kylie may yet get to play for "his club" Sunday.

Wouldn't matter, the visa states they can only work for a specific sponsoring employer. Hunslet are not his employer, he has no contract with them.

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With Gary Heatherington controlling Leeds, Hunslet, the RFL and Westminster, you would have thought that he could have got around this :rolleyes:

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Match off, horses head found in the in-goal area. The rest was in lasagne.

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Hunslet are not his employer, he has no contract with them.

My little joke about Leeds buying up Hunslet fell a bit flat then :(

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Big hint that the RFL feel the DR system is a dogs breakfast if they have to release a statement that "a player can't turnout this weekend".

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Big hint that the RFL feel the DR system is a dogs breakfast if they have to release a statement that "a player can't turnout this weekend".

Not sure I'd agree with that view, to be honest. It seems to me to suggest that they are entirely comfortable with how DR is being used. Contrary to the view that using Wood, Mccarthy, Leuluai, Moore, Gardner etc... is against the spirit of the DR system and not what it was intended for, the fact the the RFL has been lobbying UKBA to allow quota players to be involved suggests to me that this is exactly what those who designed and implemented it wanted and envisaged.

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What was wrong with the old A-Team system?

Heh. I ain't getting on no plane.

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In a statement, an RFL spokesman said: "The UKBA have confirmed that until any change in circumstance is agreed, under existing provisions no player on a Tier 2 visa can be dual registered."

"Can our Kylie play for Hunslet?"

"Yes, that's fine."

Job done.

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Not sure I'd agree with that view, to be honest. It seems to me to suggest that they are entirely comfortable with how DR is being used. Contrary to the view that using Wood, Mccarthy, Leuluai, Moore, Gardner etc... is against the spirit of the DR system and not what it was intended for, the fact the the RFL has been lobbying UKBA to allow quota players to be involved suggests to me that this is exactly what those who designed and implemented it wanted and envisaged.

You're spot on there.

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Perhaps I'm slow on the uptake, but

- Kylie Leuluai is a Leeds-registered player and his paid a wage by the Leeds Rhinos.

- Why can't he play for Hunslet as an unpaid player?

- If he has a right to be in the country, how can anyone stop him playing amateur sport?

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What was wrong with the old A-Team system?

Nothing. You can stick anyone you like in it.

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Not sure I'd agree with that view, to be honest. It seems to me to suggest that they are entirely comfortable with how DR is being used. Contrary to the view that using Wood, Mccarthy, Leuluai, Moore, Gardner etc... is against the spirit of the DR system and not what it was intended for, the fact the the RFL has been lobbying UKBA to allow quota players to be involved suggests to me that this is exactly what those who designed and implemented it wanted and envisaged.

I'd agree as well.

This sounds like the RFL knew how it woudl pan out.

There has not been a single word about playing Wood and Leuluai that may be against the spirit of the arrangements, but going public to try and get UKBA regulations onside says a lot to me.

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My little joke about Leeds buying up Hunslet fell a bit flat then :(

You thought it was a joke, Parky, but I think it could actually happen. Leeds would have absolutely total control over who plays for Hunslet and when, Border control permitting.

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You thought it was a joke, Parky, but I think it could actually happen. Leeds would have absolutely total control over who plays for Hunslet and when, Border control permitting.

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

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I'm not convinced this is against the spirit of the setup.

Whilst I am surprised to see some relatively big names being involved the fact is that this system is basically the replacement for the Academy team, and that team allowed for older players to regain fitness. Paul Wood for example would have played in the Academy at Warrington if we had it to get a game - it was scrapped and they have been forced down this route.

I understand people being outraged by the whole thing, but I'm not sure why there is such outrage about older players being used in the system. The Academy allowed for older players, this is the replacement system that clubs have signed up for - players need somewhere to play.

The fact is though, that just like the old Academy system, the vast majority of players will be youth players.

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Perhaps I'm slow on the uptake, but

- Kylie Leuluai is a Leeds-registered player and his paid a wage by the Leeds Rhinos.

- Why can't he play for Hunslet as an unpaid player?

- If he has a right to be in the country, how can anyone stop him playing amateur sport?

Because he would be replacing a UK citizen in their own job and preventing them from making a living.

Also, on the right to live here issue - he does not have a right to live here and work anywhere, he has the right to live here and work for Leeds Rhinos. The 2 things are completely different.

If a player changes employment then he needs a new visa through the new employer, as per the Rangi Chase saga.

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