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Barrow to be relegated and then fold

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The majority of the fans didn't know what was happeniing behind the scenes, and by the time we found out what was happening the club was on its hands and knees on the brink of going under. Don't think that's a reason to feel sorry for other clubs.

Come on ! You mean you stuck your heads in the sand and failed to ask the sensible questions. I can recall the "Des is a top bloke and has Barrow Rugby League at heart" posts that came along every time anyone questioned the company's finances. Success that comes out of the director's pocket always has a timebomb with it.

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the trouble with "we'll have to see" is, by the time we do see, the damage may be done

and if you do nothing then the damage that is already being done continues.

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and if you do nothing then the damage that is already being done continues.

and what are people going to do that isn't in fact the very damage that people are concerned about?! In other words not attending the game which only damages their own club. Where's the fans movement if people are so passionate and outraged? Where's the blueprint for a different direction in detail, costed, meaningful sense not easy rants on a forum? Where's the lobbying of decision makers andnthe parliamentary RL group? Where the fighting fund? The website, the blogs, the articles rallying the dissenters? Getting out of the pubs and off the Internet and actually doing something! Where? Nowhere to be seen as far as I can see, which saddens me tbh

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I would like to thank super league for the end of barrow as the current rules around Duel Reg and ground improvements will make a difficult situation in my view almost impossible to over come thiswillbe the final nail in the coffin. This will result in the end of Barrow as a club.

We will not be the last!

I'd blame your last chairman for your clubs demise (if it happens),breaking the salary cap etc.

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and what are people going to do that isn't in fact the very damage that people are concerned about?! In other words not attending the game which only damages their own club. Where's the fans movement if people are so passionate and outraged? Where's the blueprint for a different direction in detail, costed, meaningful sense not easy rants on a forum? Where's the lobbying of decision makers andnthe parliamentary RL group? Where the fighting fund? The website, the blogs, the articles rallying the dissenters? Getting out of the pubs and off the Internet and actually doing something! Where? Nowhere to be seen as far as I can see, which saddens me tbh

Barrow att today was only 876, this is lower than any game last season in champ 1. :(

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must admit I was very surprised how low the crowd was today ???

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and what are people going to do that isn't in fact the very damage that people are concerned about?! In other words not attending the game which only damages their own club. Where's the fans movement if people are so passionate and outraged? Where's the blueprint for a different direction in detail, costed, meaningful sense not easy rants on a forum? Where's the lobbying of decision makers andnthe parliamentary RL group? Where the fighting fund? The website, the blogs, the articles rallying the dissenters? Getting out of the pubs and off the Internet and actually doing something! Where? Nowhere to be seen as far as I can see, which saddens me tbh

Wheres the promotion for the best team? Where's the meaning of games?

That what has turned people off

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How did you feel as a barrow fan knowing dodgy des was investing beyond the rules to help you win a few seasons ago? Did you feel sorry for other clubs not able to do that.

I take your point but how would a mere supporter know how much Des was investing in the playing staff at that very time. Had he not had a major spat with one of our former Super League players it may not have come out. Who knows other with hindsight?

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I hope the Barrow faithful hang in there and support their team.

We Sheffield fans will always remember that a former incarnation of the club gave us a chance to have a team when the other clubs wouldn't.

I, and many other Eagles fans. will make the trip to Barrow as a small thank-you, and hope for a win!

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Wheres the promotion for the best team? Where's the meaning of games?

That what has turned people off

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Your right up to a point that it's clubs with an eye on Superleague that have not signed up.

But not signing up to a twinning arrangement does not mean you have a "realistic hope" of Superleague.

Sheffield does not produce top class professional RL players and the club has 1,000 fans.

I think it's highly significant that there is this distinctive split at a time the game is supposedly deciding wether to go back to P & R or extend superleague to two divisions.

Neither is really tenable when the vast majority of Championship clubs are signing up to whatever they are signing up to.

The idea it's just some dual reg signings doesn't wash when you look at the Leeds-Hunslet tie up, where they've been far more open in words and action about what is happening.

The likes of Fev, Leigh and barrow need money men to progress to SL, or they need the collapse of such as Salford, HKR or Castleford.

Clearly some clubs are busting a gut to hang on in a 14 club SL and some clubs are determined to wait to see if they can get in if they fail.

To me it looks like what you say it is, clubs are starting to settle for either Superleague, or a dependant existence on Superleague.

This will be clearer come 2015, but even then any club who just misses out on SL may retain independance.Someone may still fall 2015-2018

Did Wigan Athletic ever produce a premiership player before they gained entrance into the top flight?, what crowds did they achieve before entrance into the top flight?

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Did Wigan Athletic ever produce a premiership player before they gained entrance into the top flight?, what crowds did they achieve before entrance into the top flight?

Soccer is a very big national/world game, and you know as well as I do they have a rich man at the helm who can buy in top class international players and top players from around the country.

The difference for Doncaster RLFC is they don't have a rich man at the helm and even if they did top class players are in very short supply in this country and certainly unavailable from the continents Wigan Athletic can buy them from.

Rich man Mr. O'Connor at Widnes can't find the players he wants nor can Mr. Koukash.

It has to be faced that if most of the the biggest places where they play RL can't produce enough players for the local club then there's gonna be a big shortage everywhere else.

Hull's a massive city for amatuer RL yet HKR have had to go abroad to Australia for a team, now that avenue is drying up.

You maybe recall Donny getting 6,000 for an opener against Leeds in the old firts division , without the players and without the wins the crowds dropped by a third. This doesn't happen in soccer.

We have to face the realities of what RL is about and comparisons with soccer are just not relevant.

Shove Doncaster and York in SL and you'll see two clubs who will lose most of their games year on year and won't attract crowds, nor local kids to play as a result of that perennial failure, that's how RL works.

Asking me how soccer works is irrelevent.

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North Wales Crusaders aren't involved as well. Apparently Clive Griffiths doesn't think it's the right time, given the club's state of development (or, being a wiley old bird who's been around a bit, he's worked out what the snags are).

So why were they about to link with Widnes until Widnes decided not to proceed ? I think Griffiths is being a bit economical with the truth there TBH.

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just shows the amount of damage dangerous dessie did to the club, he put his own dream of glory before barrow............

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So why were they about to link with Widnes until Widnes decided not to proceed ? I think Griffiths is being a bit economical with the truth there TBH.

It was NWC that pulled out, not Widnes.

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How did you feel as a barrow fan knowing dodgy des was investing beyond the rules to help you win a few seasons ago? Did you feel sorry for other clubs not able to do that.

Barrow are a great club but I cant recall them complaining when they got half a dozen Oldham players for well under there value, or when Wigan were lending them Lee Mossop, Ben Davies and Huddersfield Adam Walker. Truth is if you want to push for Superleague go it alone, everyone else will need the dual registration to compete

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Barrow are a great club but I cant recall them complaining when they got half a dozen Oldham players for well under there value, or when Wigan were lending them Lee Mossop, Ben Davies and Huddersfield Adam Walker. Truth is if you want to push for Superleague go it alone, everyone else will need the dual registration to compete

Very poor choice of dual reg players there though. Ben Davies, Adam Walker and Lee Mossop. Three players not quite good enough to play full time SL due to their age and need time to develop. So they were all sent to Barrow for a set time and they developed as players. If they got injured we didn't get a replacement, we didn't have full squads registered. They were sent to us for the sole purpose of developing young british talent. Those 3 props are now playing full time SL which shows the system worked.

How is that comparable to having Richard Moore playing and a full Leeds squad registered to Hunslet. One is clearly good for the game and the other isn't.

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Very poor choice of dual reg players there though. Ben Davies, Adam Walker and Lee Mossop. Three players not quite good enough to play full time SL due to their age and need time to develop. So they were all sent to Barrow for a set time and they developed as players. If they got injured we didn't get a replacement, we didn't have full squads registered. They were sent to us for the sole purpose of developing young british talent. Those 3 props are now playing full time SL which shows the system worked.

How is that comparable to having Richard Moore playing and a full Leeds squad registered to Hunslet. One is clearly good for the game and the other isn't.

Leeds have not registered the full squad,why do you keep perpetuating this myth?

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As a supporter of North Wales crusaders I am really glad we did not go down the dual registration route, and there has never been a suggestion around the Crusaders camp that we would link up with Widnes. They can dress it up any way they like in Super Greed but the fact is They just want to pay all the money to the first team squad. No reserves any more. They call it youth development but BARLA clubs were already doing a brilliant job of that.

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Barrow are a great club but I cant recall them complaining when they got half a dozen Oldham players for well under there value, or when Wigan were lending them Lee Mossop, Ben Davies and Huddersfield Adam Walker. Truth is if you want to push for Superleague go it alone, everyone else will need the dual registration to compete

Very poor choice of dual reg players there though. Ben Davies, Adam Walker and Lee Mossop. Three players not quite good enough to play full time SL due to their age and need time to develop. So they were all sent to Barrow for a set time and they developed as players. If they got injured we didn't get a replacement, we didn't have full squads registered. They were sent to us for the sole purpose of developing young british talent. Those 3 props are now playing full time SL which shows the system worked.

How is that comparable to having Richard Moore playing and a full Leeds squad registered to Hunslet. One is clearly good for the game and the other isn't.

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Very poor choice of dual reg players there though. Ben Davies, Adam Walker and Lee Mossop. Three players not quite good enough to play full time SL due to their age and need time to develop. So they were all sent to Barrow for a set time and they developed as players. If they got injured we didn't get a replacement, we didn't have full squads registered. They were sent to us for the sole purpose of developing young british talent. Those 3 props are now playing full time SL which shows the system worked.

Sounds a lot like how York and Hull Are using the agreement... For now.

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Soccer is a very big national/world game, and you know as well as I do they have a rich man at the helm who can buy in top class international players and top players from around the country.

The difference for Doncaster RLFC is they don't have a rich man at the helm and even if they did top class players are in very short supply in this country and certainly unavailable from the continents Wigan Athletic can buy them from.

Rich man Mr. O'Connor at Widnes can't find the players he wants nor can Mr. Koukash.

It has to be faced that if most of the the biggest places where they play RL can't produce enough players for the local club then there's gonna be a big shortage everywhere else.

Hull's a massive city for amatuer RL yet HKR have had to go abroad to Australia for a team, now that avenue is drying up.

You maybe recall Donny getting 6,000 for an opener against Leeds in the old firts division , without the players and without the wins the crowds dropped by a third. This doesn't happen in soccer.

We have to face the realities of what RL is about and comparisons with soccer are just not relevant.

Shove Doncaster and York in SL and you'll see two clubs who will lose most of their games year on year and won't attract crowds, nor local kids to play as a result of that perennial failure, that's how RL works.

Asking me how soccer works is irrelevent.

There is no way Whelan would have invested in Wigan Athletic when they were up and coming if football had no promotion to the top flight. End of

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F A C T!

(when did he confide in you.?)

His aim was to get Latics into the Premier League. Just as the aim at Fev is to get into SuperLeague without p and r. Just using the existing mechamism

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F A C T!

(when did he confide in you.?)

His aim was to get Latics into the Premier League. Just as the aim at Fev is to get into SuperLeague without p and r. Just using the existing mechamism

John - it isnt the same though. Far from it. With "promotion by right" a club and their fans know exactly what they have to do to go up - i.e. win most of your games. This makes each game crucial and interesting, and momentum is built. Also there are several spots up for grabs EACH YEAR.

With our ridiculous system, the actual games are irrelevant. No-one has a clue who the panel will pick (if anyone) and there is no momentum. It is by no means certain that Fev will go up as they may not be what the panel want. Afterall Widnes went up undeservedly as a mediocre second div club

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Moving between divisions in RL is based entirely on the outcome of throwing arrows at a revolving dart board. The "systems and mechanisms" have no long-standing base. To try and predict what will happen with promotion to Super League is likely to be based on this method, and to try and predict what will happen is likely to leave a lot of egg on a lot of faces. Probably in Fev.

in Barrows case no-one could predict that DR would potentially have such a profound effect on their competitiveness in the Championship. No-one predicted that the revolving dart-board would highlight that access to SL playing rosta's could determine the order of merit in the Championship that would reflect the order of merit in SL.

Therefore we now have 3 types of club in the Championship.

Type 1 don't use DR and emulate SL clubs to potentially become SL clubs.

Type2 don't use DR but end up in Championship1 because they can't compete.

Type3 embrace DR and get filled with SL players.

The strategy is to use Type 3 to develop and keep fit SL players. The secondary effect is to hope Type 3 clubs win the competition to put Type 1 clubs in their place to keep Type 1 out of SL by not winning the competitions.

Bye Bye Barrow and well done Hunslet for winning the Championship in 2014 by which time the revolving dart-board for promotion will state that DR'd clubs can't be promoted.

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