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OPEN AGE RUGBY PLAYERS NEEDED (open age)

Wigan St Cuthberts Open Age Squad are recruiting new team members. We are looking for lads of 17 years old and above who are interested in playing conference level rugby league, getting fit and being part of a successful squad.

Cuthberts were promoted to conference level rugby last season and for our first ever season in this division and we are hoping to recruit some new lads who can commit and make our team even stronger. We train with qualified fitness professionals and as a member of our squad you will have access to a fully qualified physiotherapist. Everyone is welcome here at St Cuthberts and we look forward to hearing from you! Anyone interested please contact our coach Warren Molloy on: 07790 379779 or mr.mrsmolloy@yahoo.co.uk

Many Thanks. Please don't hesitate to contact us for more info!

(Training: Tue/Thurs and games are played on Saturday)

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OPEN AGE RUGBY PLAYERS NEEDED (open age)

Wigan St Cuthberts Open Age Squad are recruiting new team members. We are looking for lads of 17 years old and above who are interested in playing conference level rugby league, getting fit and being part of a successful squad.

Cuthberts were promoted to conference level rugby last season and for our first ever season in this division and we are hoping to recruit some new lads who can commit and make our team even stronger. We train with qualified fitness professionals and as a member of our squad you will have access to a fully qualified physiotherapist. Everyone is welcome here at St Cuthberts and we look forward to hearing from you! Anyone interested please contact our coach Warren Molloy on: 07790 379779 or mr.mrsmolloy@yahoo.co.uk

Many Thanks. Please don't hesitate to contact us for more info!

(Training: Tue/Thurs and games are played on Saturday)

You might have left this a bit late - season starts two weeks on Saturday!

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Wonder if there is some player apathy creeping in lads dont want to travel and committ, seems to be a problem across lots of clubs these days.

I dont think its down to summer rugby either to be honest just a sign of the times

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OPEN AGE RUGBY PLAYERS NEEDED (open age)

Wigan St Cuthberts Open Age Squad are recruiting new team members. We are looking for lads of 17 years old and above who are interested in playing conference level rugby league, getting fit and being part of a successful squad.

Cuthberts were promoted to conference level rugby last season and for our first ever season in this division and we are hoping to recruit some new lads who can commit and make our team even stronger. We train with qualified fitness professionals and as a member of our squad you will have access to a fully qualified physiotherapist. Everyone is welcome here at St Cuthberts and we look forward to hearing from you! Anyone interested please contact our coach Warren Molloy on: 07790 379779 or mr.mrsmolloy@yahoo.co.uk

Many Thanks. Please don't hesitate to contact us for more info!

(Training: Tue/Thurs and games are played on Saturday)

Good luck in your new adventure but I thing you have got a little confused, you haven't been promoted you have simply been excepted into a different league due to meeting the criteria you have already beat a few top premier teams not to long ago in your successful cup run. the NCL has enjoyed some good success in the national cup 4/5 years ago beat going off recent form you will find the top regionals have took over now

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Not many ncl teams entered the national cup in the last couple of years for numerous reasons.

But i think if the top nil teams did enter they would beat the top regional sides nine times out of ten - in my opinion that is.

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Not many ncl teams entered the national cup in the last couple of years for numerous reasons.

But i think if the top nil teams did enter they would beat the top regional sides nine times out of ten - in my opinion that is.

Siddle are one of the best teams in the NCL and they entered last year and got beat by a regional team, the year before all the NCL teams entered and for two years i think didnt even get a team in the final, no shame in that but you have to give the regional side some credit, either their standards have improved are the NCL standards have dropped

you simply can not dismiss fact

so you kind of lost your argument about one off games and NCL winning nine out of ten games dont you think?

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Due to the petty politics in our game siddal also played a league game on the same day as their national cup game last season so no doubt this affected their performances on the day.

You would have to check all through the fixtures just to ascertain how many regional sides were pitted against NCL sides throughout the duration of the competition as it may well be that the NCL teams drew one another in the early rounds.

As i stated in my regional post in my opinion the early NCL teams would win 9 out of ten of these games.

When you look at some of the regional leagues there are only ten teams in their division and they are therefore playing a hell of a lot less than their NCL counterparts.

Also take a look at those regional sides that have stepped up into the NCL havnt bounced through the divisions and into the premier division overnight. Even your own club whom had dominated the regional league that they were in for several yrs only got promotion from division two at the second attempt!

Everyone is entitled to their opinion and if i were a betting man my money would go on the NCL team nine times out of ten.

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New York must be dull if your spending so much time posting on here!!!!!

i flew back yesterday, new york is a good place to visit but its to much like London,

at the time you refer to the NCL teams were dominating the national cup, but that was several years ago, are you saying things can not change?

if all teams entered the National cup now i would place my £1 bet i normally reserve for the grand national on one of the regionals winning,

you may have a point on Regionals play fewer games but that isnt there fault, they can only play whats in front of them,

if the ncl scrapped the playoff are exteded the time allowing teams a bit more time to fulfill there games instead of asking amitures to play three games in a week it might of been different.

but to coin a phrase what does it say in the paper, regionals have dominated the cup over recent years, this isnt my opinion its fact,,

couldnt agrre more reference the petty politics,

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Not many ncl teams entered the national cup in the last couple of years for numerous reasons.

But i think if the top nil teams did enter they would beat the top regional sides nine times out of ten - in my opinion that is.

Yes I agree the Top regional teams don't get the high standard game every weeeeeeeek....hang on, don't the top regional teams all play in the same leagues.

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Due to the petty politics in our game siddal also played a league game on the same day as their national cup game last season so no doubt this affected their performances on the day.

You would have to check all through the fixtures just to ascertain how many regional sides were pitted against NCL sides throughout the duration of the competition as it may well be that the NCL teams drew one another in the early rounds.

As i stated in my regional post in my opinion the early NCL teams would win 9 out of ten of these games.

When you look at some of the regional leagues there are only ten teams in their division and they are therefore playing a hell of a lot less than their NCL counterparts.

Also take a look at those regional sides that have stepped up into the NCL havnt bounced through the divisions and into the premier division overnight. Even your own club whom had dominated the regional league that they were in for several yrs only got promotion from division two at the second attempt!

Everyone is entitled to their opinion and if i were a betting man my money would go on the NCL team nine times out of ten.

10 teams in their division + National Cup, Yorkshire Cup & District Cups.

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see below list of national cup final results from 1980, please remember the NCL only had ten clubs in it initially and has now grown to 50 clubs (i think).

work out for yourself sbull those winners that are now NCL clubs or were when they won the National Cup

National Cup Winners

2008-2009 Leigh East

7

v

17

Queens

2007-08

East Hull

32

v

10

Wath Brow Hornets

2006-07

Ince Rose Bridge

8

v

23

Halton Simms Cross

2005-06

Leigh MR

13

v

26

Skirlaugh

2004-05

Skirlaugh

6

v

16

Wath Brow

2003-04

Oldham St Annes

19

v

25

Wath Brow

2002-03

Oldham St Annes

15

v

14

West Hull

2001-02

West Hull

36

v

10

Ince Rose Bridge

2000-01

Featherstone Lions

12

v

20

Thatto Heath Crusaders

1999-00

Skirlaugh

36

v

30

Ideal Isberg

1998-99

Wath Brow Hornets

2

v

32

Skirlaugh

1997-98

Redhill

40

v

12

Ideal ABI

1996-97

Dudley Hill

24

v

28

Ellenborough Rangers

1995-96

Skirlaugh

21

v

16

Ellenborough Rangers

1994-95

Woolston

6

v

7

West Hull

1993-94

Saddleworth

33

v

8

Thatto Heath

1992-93

Saddleworth

23

v

16

Hensingham

1991-92

Hull Dockers

27

v

8

Skirlaugh

1990-91

Saddleworth

27

v

14

Hull Dockers

1989-90

Egremont

11

v

4

Saddleworth

1988-89

Crosfields

25

v

11

Kells

1987-88

St Patricks

28

v

8

Elland

1986-87

Thatto Heath

15

v

8

Heworth

1985-86

Mysons

17

v

8

Millom

1984-85

Jubilee

26

v

10

West Hull

1983-84

Dudley Hill

24

v

16

Mysons

1982-83

Leigh MW

12

v

8

Lock Lane

1981-82

Pilkington Recs

19

v

2

Milford

1980-81

Beecroft & Wightman

11

v

2

Lock Lane

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Thanks for proving my point, Back to the good old days

The NCL havent won the cup since 2008 :lol: and correct me if im wrong the NCL have only won 1 in the last 6 going off these stats?

im from an NCL club as you know and believe it or not im not trying to put our league down but my head isnt in the sand,

all im saying that this current moment in time there is a bettert standard of rugby being played elswhere,, bitter pill to swallow but its true

the odd team raising its game and getting to the final and perhaps winning use to be a good argument, but come on give credit where its due, 1 in 6!!!!

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i flew back yesterday, new york is a good place to visit but its to much like London,

at the time you refer to the NCL teams were dominating the national cup, but that was several years ago, are you saying things can not change?

if all teams entered the National cup now i would place my £1 bet i normally reserve for the grand national on one of the regionals winning,

you may have a point on Regionals play fewer games but that isnt there fault, they can only play whats in front of them,

if the ncl scrapped the playoff are exteded the time allowing teams a bit more time to fulfill there games instead of asking amitures to play three games in a week it might of been different.

but to coin a phrase what does it say in the paper, regionals have dominated the cup over recent years, this isnt my opinion its fact,,

couldnt agrre more reference the petty politics,

i flew back yesterday, new york is a good place to visit but its to much like London,

at the time you refer to the NCL teams were dominating the national cup, but that was several years ago, are you saying things can not change?

if all teams entered the National cup now i would place my £1 bet i normally reserve for the grand national on one of the regionals winning,

you may have a point on Regionals play fewer games but that isnt there fault, they can only play whats in front of them,

if the ncl scrapped the playoff are exteded the time allowing teams a bit more time to fulfill there games instead of asking amitures to play three games in a week it might of been different.

but to coin a phrase what does it say in the paper, regionals have dominated the cup over recent years, this isnt my opinion its fact,,

couldnt agrre more reference the petty politics,

I dont think anybody can deny that the top four of the Pennine League and the top Three from the NWC could have competed at the highest level of the NCL in recent years and rightly or wrongly you could say that the team that wins the cup is the best side in the country But Bradford City have just got to the Capital One cup final (Old League Cup ) beating a few premier league sides on their way but I would not say they where the best football team in the country.

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I remember st pats winning the national cup whilst rooted to the foot of the NCL when their was only one division.

Having played and coached in both regional leagues and in the NCL from my experience the intensity and standard of rugby is far better in the NCL without a doubt. But again that's my opinion.

I also know from my own experiences that teams also prioritize the league above cup games especially if your in the promotion or play off race.

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As your coach what he would sooner achieve this season:

To win the national cup or the NCL cup or

To secure your first teams premier division status.

I know what his answer will be before you ask him.

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If the standards dropping in the NCL why are the regional teams that have entered over the ten years doing so?

Fifty teams in the NCL now - they must be doing something right from an initial concept of ten teams only. Gotta be doing something right.

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As your coach what he would sooner achieve this season:

To win the national cup or the NCL cup or

To secure your first teams premier division status.

I know what his answer will be before you ask him.

he would probably choose to secure his place in the Premier, he would also probably of liked to enter a team in the national cup but due to politics

it wouldnt be practical.

when the regionals compete in the national cup i asume they still go all out to win there Division so its exacaly the same for all leagues,

the nartional cup has always been fiercely contested and i feel its unfair to down grade it now just because the regionals have dominated it over the last 6 years.

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I remember st pats winning the national cup whilst rooted to the foot of the NCL when their was only one division.

Having played and coached in both regional leagues and in the NCL from my experience the intensity and standard of rugby is far better in the NCL without a doubt. But again that's my opinion.

I also know from my own experiences that teams also prioritize the league above cup games especially if your in the promotion or play off race.

played in both myself and over all i totally agree the standard is higher in the NCL, no argument there , but it still doesnt change black and white facts,

the top regionals sides CURRENTLY are better than the top NCL sides its there in black and white, i would love to be proven wrong, but what does it say in the paper?

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I dont think anybody can deny that the top four of the Pennine League and the top Three from the NWC could have competed at the highest level of the NCL in recent years and rightly or wrongly you could say that the team that wins the cup is the best side in the country But Bradford City have just got to the Capital One cup final (Old League Cup ) beating a few premier league sides on their way but I would not say they where the best football team in the country.

if they played in a different league alltogether and could only compete agaist the premier teams in the cup and they won 5 out the last six, what would you say them?

the only time that all teams can meet and fight it out is the national cup so surly the regionals must have a strong case

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This topic is the latest in the many that have been diverted to discussion about the relative strengths of the various leagues. I am sure we have heard the same boasts from the same people ad nauseum. Shall we try and stick on topic, it would make a refreshing change?

I think a reminder that this is the NCL Forum should be taken as a guide to subject matter.

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played in both myself and over all i totally agree the standard is higher in the NCL, no argument there , but it still doesnt change black and white facts,

the top regionals sides CURRENTLY are better than the top NCL sides its there in black and white, i would love to be proven wrong, but what does it say in the paper?

The only way it could be proven is if all the top regional sides play the top NCL teams over a full season and thats never going to happen,iv played in both and trust me its far easier to raise your game in a cup than having to be at that level week in week out in the league,dont get me wrong the top regional sides are very good but until they play at that level for 26 or more games instead of about 12 we'll never know and thats why over a full season the top NCL clubs will say the're better because during holidays or injuries they usually have more players to choose from so over the full season the're stronger

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The only way it could be proven is if all the top regional sides play the top NCL teams over a full season and thats never going to happen,iv played in both and trust me its far easier to raise your game in a cup than having to be at that level week in week out in the league,dont get me wrong the top regional sides are very good but until they play at that level for 26 or more games instead of about 12 we'll never know and thats why over a full season the top NCL clubs will say the're better because during holidays or injuries they usually have more players to choose from so over the full season the're stronger

Hypothetically speaking

The NCL is a league that affectively runs along side the others not above them, on what evidence are grounds do you base the standard is better? if the NCL had won 5 out the last six national cups would you not refer me to that?

all we can do is surmise what if,

I know overall you will get a better standard of rugby playing in the NCL league,

All I'm saying if somebody impartial was brought in to investigate who currently has the highest standard,

All they could base there opinion on is when the top regionals and the top NCL sides have met over the last few years What do you thing they would say ?

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This topic is the latest in the many that have been diverted to discussion about the relative strengths of the various leagues. I am sure we have heard the same boasts from the same people ad nauseum. Shall we try and stick on topic, it would make a refreshing change?

I think a reminder that this is the NCL Forum should be taken as a guide to subject matter.

it would be a boring thread if we were still talking about players needed at Cuthbert's two pages in don’t you think, as long we are not being abusive what harm are we doing,

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I find it boring when the Regional Leagues are continually used to turn the threads into 'my dad is bigger than your dad' threads.

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