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17/02/13 - London Broncos v Wakefield Trinity Wildcats - KO 3pm

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The thing is what do you cut to give London the extra cash?

You can't cut back on Sky grants because the smaller M62 clubs can't get by on what they have. Cutting back on development officers would be suicide for the game as well.

That's fine, I understand that.

I haven't called for the RFL to buy the club or anything like that but I do think they could, and should, have been an awful lot more involved over the past decade at least. Giving guidance and advice on coaching appointments, marketing, media, fan relations, that sort of thing wouldn't have cost any money but would have helped enormously. Now, I may be wrong and they have offered this help and been turned down, but I've certainly not heard anything of it.

Even just a week or two ago I thought there might still be a chance for this club, if the right people were owning / running it. Now, I'm increasingly coming to the conclusion that it's too late. The club is staggering into A&E with a huge number of self-inflicted knife wounds and yet the medical staff are simply whispering to one another and checking their watches.

The wonderful sport of Rugby League will not see another top flight club in this city for an awfully long time. What the consequences of that are, for the game as a whole, we'll just have to wait and see.

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The Broncos owner wants to get straight on the blower to Saracens and see about a groundshare at Barnet.

Used for athletics in the summer and only limited number of rugby games allowed from what I understand - non starter. Doesn't matter where they play, if they continue to produce the sort of dross they did yesterday, no one will want to see it, my back garden would be big enough.

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13 years ago when the London Broncos started to play at the stoop RL was starting to become fashionable/trendy and the club were starting to attract young families to watch them.

Now sadly in London Harlequins RU and Saracens have cornered this market in north and west London taking someone who has never been before to watch the Broncos is embarrassing with the lack of atmosphere apart from a few hundred away fans at each match singing silly songs which only (To your average middle class londoner) stereotypes the game as one watched by the working class up north (This is not a dig but a sad fact)

SL needs to re-invent itself in London (And in many cases elsewhere) otherwise all the hard work with development expansion over the last few years will be down the toilet.

CM

totally agree with this

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Feels horrible doesn't it!

While his posts can often come across as nonsense I do actually believe, in the main, he talks a lot of sense

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There's no dressing it up its a terrible crowd and a bad result. But we are only 3 games into the season, lets have a bit of perspective.

Not entirely sure why Chris Irvine had to tweet that Fev got a bigger crowd? Will this improve things somehow?

It's something to bear in mind when they are handing out the next batch of SL licences, especially if the Broncos don't sort out their ground situation as well.

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Why? Its in the middle of nowhere and has RU as the main tenant and who have done loads of marketing - the same as the Stoop. A crazy idea

You do know that this was their home ground once before.

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You do know that this was their home ground once before.

Yes mate. Went there in 1993 to watch them beat Leigh heavily. It was a #### ground/place then and difficult to get to.

London need to play somewhere where there is no major RU or football. There are plenty of heavily populated places where this is the case

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13 years ago when the London Broncos started to play at the stoop RL was starting to become fashionable/trendy and the club were starting to attract young families to watch them.

Now sadly in London Harlequins RU and Saracens have cornered this market in north and west London taking someone who has never been before to watch the Broncos is embarrassing with the lack of atmosphere apart from a few hundred away fans at each match singing silly songs which only (To your average middle class londoner) stereotypes the game as one watched by the working class up north (This is not a dig but a sad fact)

SL needs to re-invent itself in London (And in many cases elsewhere) otherwise all the hard work with development expansion over the last few years will be down the toilet.

CM

Sorry CM but I disagree with you on this. London were already trendy before they moved to the Stoop. In fact crowds were bigger at Charlton the year before tenancy 1 at the Stoop, despite only coming 4th as opposed to 2nd at the Stoop. If they had stayed at Charlton in 1996/97 the crowds would have been even bigger. The move to the Stoop was a huge mistake IMO, and the people that made that choice not only made a massive cockup, but they also allowed Harlequins to have a significant extra financial stream to get them where they are today. Quins creamed money off the Broncos and charged top whack rent despite have an awful stadium at the time.However they were just being astute. This was in the early days of SL when clubs burned the first wave of sky money without any long term vision

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London need to play somewhere where there is no major RU or football.

i think london maybe out of the question then!!

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i think london maybe out of the question then!!

Guess youve never been to London then

Here's a few gooduns:

Hackney/Stratford

Streatham/Mitcham/Tooting

Rotherhithe

Acton

Camden

Lambeth and Elephant & Castle

Brixton

Walthamstow

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Guess youve never been to London then

Here's a few gooduns:

Hackney/Stratford

Streatham/Mitcham/Tooting

Rotherhithe

Acton

Camden

Lambeth and Elephant & Castle

Brixton

Walthamstow

And how many suitable stadiums are there in those areas.

Might as well add Woodford, Upminster, Bromley and Hounslow while you're on your flight of fantasy

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Im not one who doesnt want a London club indeed Id like to see them succeed, unfortunturnedly I fear their demise is reaching a critical mass that cant be turned around.

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While his posts can often come across as nonsense I do actually believe, in the main, he talks a lot of sense

OK then, why does a London RL team have to appeal to the middle classes? Why can't they appeal to, say, West Ham fans? (genuine question here)

Isn't RL wasting its time trying to appeal to the people who might spend the amounts required to go to Twickenham? Aren't we better off trying to capture working class Londoners? (who in my experience, are sound as a pound)

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OK then, why does a London RL team have to appeal to the middle classes? Why can't they appeal to, say, West Ham fans? (genuine question here)

Isn't RL wasting its time trying to appeal to the people who might spend the amounts required to go to Twickenham? Aren't we better off trying to capture working class Londoners? (who in my experience, are sound as a pound)

There's no reason why it shouldn't appeal to everyone. But the thing is, and Lobby misses this time and again, is that soccer is the endemic working class sport in London and the south east. You might want to have a look at (say) the regional set-up of the leagues beneath Conference Premier - Gloucester are in Conference North for example. There are many leagues, many teams - including in each one of those areas that Lobby says is virgin territory. London has a dozen professional soccer teams and they are probably, spectator-wise, collectively more watched now than at any point in their history.

The gap RL could try to find - and this is only an idea - is the same one that the relatively few successful 'new' sports have found in towns when they can take the family, foam-finger market. There are a handful of settled basketball and ice hockey teams which could point to this working - and, many, many more that have utterly failed.

The 'last chance' for London was in 2005. Realistically when they utterly botched the translation to being Quins that was it. Without significant new investment and new direction (not necessarily a move, but a proper spirit and focus within the club) we are now looking at what happens when you switch the life support off.

And that should be a cause of great sadness in rugby league. There are fans down here desperate for a team to support. Just not this cracked mirror version of what a Super League club should look like.

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Just to add to the general air of disbelief around the Broncos' behaviour it's now emerged that the club turned down the opportunity to play Melbourne Storm at the weekend because they didn't want to contribute to the costs of their visit to the UK. Because, you know, a game against the NRL champions, in front of 6-8,000 people, with all the attendant media and corporate opportunities that would entail, and the opportunity to make it a carnival of 'expansion' Rugby League - who'd want any of that?

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And how many suitable stadiums are there in those areas.

Might as well add Woodford, Upminster, Bromley and Hounslow while you're on your flight of fantasy

You forgot Romford and Gidea Park, with all that seating capacity. :P . ;):D

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Just to add to the general air of disbelief around the Broncos' behaviour it's now emerged that the club turned down the opportunity to play Melbourne Storm at the weekend because they didn't want to contribute to the costs of their visit to the UK. Because, you know, a game against the NRL champions, in front of 6-8,000 people, with all the attendant media and corporate opportunities that would entail, and the opportunity to make it a carnival of 'expansion' Rugby League - who'd want any of that?

It would have been great and this does appear to be a little short sighted, but in fairness I don't remember the last game against Melbourne either (i) bringing in a huge crowd or (ii) having much of an effect on subsequent attendances.

Of course, the other side of that coin is that in their current position, the club ought to be trying something. I certainly would have gone had they been playing Melbourne last weekend, albeit principally to see the opposition players.

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Im not one who doesnt want a London club indeed Id like to see them succeed, unfortunturnedly I fear their demise is reaching a critical mass that cant be turned around.

Can't be turned around?

RL has a long history of clubs going into demise and turning around.

The only way they have operated is as they operate now. Not quite rich enough man at the top treading water.

The question is why is this happening???

The only logical answer to date is the RFL want the player pathway, Hughes want's his plaything.

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It would have been great and this does appear to be a little short sighted, but in fairness I don't remember the last game against Melbourne either (a) bringing in a huge crowd or ( B) having much of an effect on subsequent attendances.

I was at that game and don't recall it being particularly busy

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The Broncos owner wants to get straight on the blower to Saracens and see about a groundshare at Barnet.

They cannot do that ground given over to the athletics in the summer. It would also need a lot of promises from Quins that they will take an interest in the local community something they do not have a great track record with.

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Just to add to the general air of disbelief around the Broncos' behaviour it's now emerged that the club turned down the opportunity to play Melbourne Storm at the weekend because they didn't want to contribute to the costs of their visit to the UK. Because, you know, a game against the NRL champions, in front of 6-8,000 people, with all the attendant media and corporate opportunities that would entail, and the opportunity to make it a carnival of 'expansion' Rugby League - who'd want any of that?

Is that true or bar room gossip? I heard a very different story about training sessions with Melbourne.

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I was at that game and don't recall it being particularly busy

it was quiet enough that I kept on bumping in to the same completely lashed-up Aussie throughout the afternoon. Which was a real pleasure.

I seem to remember he eventually got chucked out for dropping his trousers (and pants).

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From what i've heard its likely to be a switch to Orient, all being good with the Hearn's, which means its not definite at all. Gillingham was the prefered choice originally by the club, but fan reaction made them change their mind, which is ironic considering there aren't that many Bronco's fans who attend the games on the reg.

Orients ground is the only real possibility in east London. Sharing with West ham at the Olympic stadium is a no goer, West Ham wont want anyone there and the Bronco's can't afford it. All other stadia in the vicinity wont have good enough facilities or required capacity.

Best thing the Bronco's could do would be to move in with the Skolars and pool their resources, though i'm sure there are a few Skolars fans who would be against that.

The big thing east London has going for it, though thats not to say other areas in London don't, is its location to a station like stratford, which has great transport links to North, south and West London, as well as Essex and east Anglia.

Since Westfield opened it also boasts a huge amount of potential fans visiting the area on a daily and weekly basis. And due to the Olympics it also has a great deal of communications facilities left empty, which are now being occupied by a number of national and international media and communications companies. Ideal for a sporting club looking to engage with new and vibrant companies.

But a move to east London will also mean the Bronco's have to work harder than ever as they'll have to attract a lot of new fans from the surrounding area's. something they've failed to do in pretty much all area's since leaving Charlton, which was a time when they had Richard Branson backing them.

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