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Griff    126

As per the topic. If the clubs voted for the Shay and LSV they obviously did no think it through. Both those grounds are Council/Private owned and rent is paid, both those grounds give little , if any bar income to the clubs, both those grounds give little, if any,food income to the clubs. I find it mind blowing. Plus the actual COST of food and drink is astronomical and at LSV they even put the prices up 30 mins before kick off!!!!. And in all honesty neither of the grounds are geared up for 7/8000 , imagine the queues as it takes forever with crowds of 1 to 2000.

Clubs aren't entitled to any bar or catering income. Just a share of the gate, less expenses.

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Keith T    361

With this years NR Cup being knockout for Championship clubs it could mean Halifax could win the cup without playing away from the Shay, if the draw goes in their favour!!!!!

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colinb    231

Clubs aren't entitled to any bar or catering income. Just a share of the gate, less expenses.

Exactly my point, so why not play it at a ground where a Championship Club OWNS their own ground and the receipts will go back into a CLUB and not the council or a private company.

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Griff    126

Exactly my point, so why not play it at a ground where a Championship Club OWNS their own ground and the receipts will go back into a CLUB and not the council or a private company.

If that's the thinking - yes. But who owns a good enough ground ? :mellow:

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Ackroman    367

It's not just about price, it's also about cost.

By retreating into the heartland and not, for example, playing the NR CUP final at Wembley, we save money but the true cost is the lack of exposure of the part time game to new punters. I find this particularly puzzling considering the game is at a high level of expansion at the part time level in comparison to our SL cousins.

For the price of extending the use of Wembley for a couple of hours, the cost is the lost opportunity to attract more fans and to raise the profile and desire to win the NR Cup.

Note of interest. I predict more fans will watch Oxford, Hemel and Gloucester when aggregated together, than watch the Broncos, so it is an even bigger shot in the foot not to think big for the part time game.

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It's not just about price, it's also about cost.

By retreating into the heartland and not, for example, playing the NR CUP final at Wembley, we save money but the true cost is the lack of exposure of the part time game to new punters. I find this particularly puzzling considering the game is at a high level of expansion at the part time level in comparison to our SL cousins.

For the price of extending the use of Wembley for a couple of hours, the cost is the lost opportunity to attract more fans and to raise the profile and desire to win the NR Cup.

Note of interest. I predict more fans will watch Oxford, Hemel and Gloucester when aggregated together, than watch the Broncos, so it is an even bigger shot in the foot not to think big for the part time game.

Good post, would be interesting to know If the RFL even bothered to look into it.

We do not even know if wembley is rented in hours or days, in which case would cost no more.

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Yet we're happy to make assumptions and criticise on the basis of them.

Without being informed, you are left to make assumptions.

God forbid if a governing body would inform anyone what their plans/ future intentions are for the game that could effect those who have followed/ funded the organisation over many years.

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Griff    126

Without being informed, you are left to make assumptions.

God forbid if a governing body would inform anyone what their plans/ future intentions are for the game that could effect those who have followed/ funded the organisation over many years.

With all due respect, you commented that it would be interesting to know if the RFL bothered to look into a double header at Wembley. There are hundreds of possible grounds in the country. Are we to expect the RFL to say whether or not they considered all of them ?

There's a limit to the information a governing body can be expected to provide. I'm cheerfully critical of the RFL when the time is right. This is not one of those times.

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It would be ridiculous to think that the RFL would look at hosting it at somewhere like st James park in Exeter, so you would not expect the RFL to look at every ground in the country. If they did, then they would truly be incompetent.

However with wembley, it has been a venue used in recent history for the semi pro game to host a final as a build up to the final. As previously stated, this would raise the profile of the game at semi pro level, make it more of a occasion for the club/players/sponsors.

This could also solve the problem that wembley struggles to sell out for the challenge cup final. Which does not give the best image in front of the national media.

I would like to think that the people at the RFL would at the very least look into this option.

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Ramite    182

Im not sure it would add much on the gate maybe another 5/6 k?

The CC clubs make the final decision on the venue maybe Wembley was considered. I think if it was before hand it would likely be overshadowed by the challenge cup and playing in a near empty stadium wouldn't do much for the clubs playing.

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Griff    126

Im not sure it would add much on the gate maybe another 5/6 k?

The CC clubs make the final decision on the venue maybe Wembley was considered. I think if it was before hand it would likely be overshadowed by the challenge cup and playing in a near empty stadium wouldn't do much for the clubs playing.

Agree.

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In the last one, by the 2nd half over 50000 thousand fans were spectating, I am sure majority of the semi pro players would never get another opportunity to play in front of such crowds. Maybe this would be bigger incentive for clubs to take it more seriously/ add more spice to the tournament. When was the last time Dewsbury or Sheffield - bar their own final appearence played in front of such crowds?

Even just adding another 6k to the gate at wembley is better than 6 thousand empty seats on display on national tv, overall the profile must surely be better than playing at a half empty shay for final. By this rate I reckon the NRC will scraped in another 5 years.

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Griff    126

Wembley will never be full at the Challenge Cup Final because of the madness that is Club Wembley.

Can't see such a double header happening, anyway.

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Wembley will never be full at the Challenge Cup Final because of the madness that is Club Wembley.

Can't see such a double header happening, anyway.

It does not sell out excluding club wembley. Anyway you see different to me & I think we have taken up enough room on Dewsbury forum on this subject. I am happy to leave the Dewsbury folk to concern themselves with their own club than us 2 outsiders waffling on.

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Ramite    182

No problem with non Dewsbury fans on here anyway Griff would be taking to himself on the eagles forum. Are the rest on the other site?

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Griff    126

No problem with non Dewsbury fans on here anyway Griff would be taking to himself on the eagles forum. Are the rest on the other site?

Occasionally.

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Wilsden Ram    267

Griff - Why is Club Wembley madness?

The Company that I work for paid a considerable sum of money

for a 10 year Membership and an Annual Fee for our 2 seats for

which we get Tickets for 4 events. Any other time we want to use our

allocated seats we have to pay. Surely this sort of revenue is what

underpins the whole Wembley Stadiun re-devepolment and running costs.

I doe seem that many people in general including quite a few on this Forum have

no perception of how much it costs to run a Stadium / Sports Ground on a day-to day

basis let alone the cost of trying to develop further. Most clubs struggle with the cost

of meeting the Health & safety requirements just to enable the gates to be opened for

public admission.

The again, being an Eagles Fan, you do not have to worry about such matters do you? :)

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Griff    126

Griff - Why is Club Wembley madness?

The Company that I work for paid a considerable sum of money

for a 10 year Membership and an Annual Fee for our 2 seats for

which we get Tickets for 4 events. Any other time we want to use our

allocated seats we have to pay. Surely this sort of revenue is what

underpins the whole Wembley Stadiun re-devepolment and running costs.

Because it's a policy that leaves a lot of empty seats.

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Griff    126

It does seem that many people in general including quite a few on this Forum have

no perception of how much it costs to run a Stadium / Sports Ground on a day-to day

basis let alone the cost of trying to develop further. Most clubs struggle with the cost

of meeting the Health & safety requirements just to enable the gates to be opened for

public admission.

Funnily enough, I suggested that owning your own ground wasn't the panacea everyone thought it was on the Fev forum a month ago and was roundly laughed at. Especially, when ten minutes later, Look North announced that Don Valley was closing. :dry:

No, we don't need to worry. We rent. The landlords have the problems of keeping up with Health and Safety.

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