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John Drake

23/02/13 - Bradford Bulls v St Helens - KO 2pm

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I'm clearly in some parallel universe.

This is Gledhill on the tweetbox: "Where's all this criticism for the referee coming from? He's wearing pink and blue and not missing tackles."

Bulls are hardly playing great. But some of these calls are terrible. I know what it sounds like but the penalties given in the first half were ludicrously inconsistent. They spoilt the contest.

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Very happy with that result :) hopefully this will give us a bit of confidence ahead of an intense couple of weeks.

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Bulls are hardly playing great. But some of these calls are terrible. I know what it sounds like but the penalties given in the first half were ludicrously inconsistent. They spoilt the contest.

Sounds like Bradford weren't up to much though?

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Feck. :(

Out enthused and out muscled. Rather diesheartened by the lack of fight in the Bulls side today, similar to the Hull FC game. Truly awful officiating and the slowest ruck I've seen in a decade and the first time I've seen genuine bias. <- That will be picked out by the usual suspects but sod 'em, it happened. But take nothing away from St Helens and the two Roby's out there today. We still can't handle big Willie and Lomax was always a threat at full-back, not sure about Wilkin at scrum half, he might as well as played Union, all he did was kick on the last. Many Bulls players were just ineffective, did too much work on their own line and own quarter for too long of the game. Too many missed tackles from our forwards. Down hearted, disappointed in the spectacle and feeling incredibly aggrieved but as Saints fans can attest to round 1, these things happen sometimes.

Still, I do like a Saturday game cos there's tonights game and then a full day tomorrow! Big, big improvement needed for Huddersfield.

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Sounds like Bradford weren't up to much though?

I don't think they were but its hard to tell under the circumstances. Saints were the better team but I don't think they were as dominant as such a scoreline would suggest. Almost all their trys came from penalties given near the Bulls line. Oh and there's a new rule whereby if a player is tackled in the in goal area and makes it onto the playing area, its still a drop out under the sticks.

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I don't think they were but its hard to tell under the circumstances. Saints were the better team but I don't think they were as dominant as such a scoreline would suggest. Almost all their trys came from penalties given near the Bulls line. Oh and there's a new rule whereby if a player is tackled in the in goal area and makes it onto the playing area, its still a drop out under the sticks.

We're not allowed to edit so I think you mean "tripped in the in goal area..." Wilkick got done on the step and stuck his leg out.

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We're not allowed to edit so I think you mean "tripped in the in goal area..." Wilkick got done on the step and stuck his leg out.

I was thinking of Kear in the second half who managed to get back in play and still got pinged for a drop out.

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Saints were the better team and I've no complaints about the result.

However, and I try not to pick on the officials, their performance today was abysmal. I think the balance and outcome of the game would have been closer if Bradford had been given a fair crack of the whip.

I would sincerely request Stuart Cummins to watch the video of this game in the company of Tim Roby and his linesmen. On today's evidence, none of them are up to performing at this level.

Plenty of people will have paid £20 to see a game ruined before halftime by a referee who could only see one side lying on and standing offside and two linesman who contributed nothing other than signalling where the ball crossed the touchline.

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What is the rule in this scenario? A high shot was deemed to have occurred against Lomax as he kicked the ball, where should the resulting penalty be played? (not a trick question, I don't know the answer)

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A late hit on the kicker is where the ball is fielded

So I don't know about a high shot lol

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I was thinking of Kear in the second half who managed to get back in play and still got pinged for a drop out.

Me too. Kear did Wilkick with a step, got tripped and then did what you said.

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What is the rule in this scenario? A high shot was deemed to have occurred against Lomax as he kicked the ball, where should the resulting penalty be played? (not a trick question, I don't know the answer)

Owt on a kicker is where the ball lands.

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Unfortunately this doesn't surprise me.

Saints have had 2 away games this year and both times the home fans have felt aggrieved by the refereeing, with special mention to the ruck speed. Of course fans will always moan and blame the referee but there comes a point when the fans might just have a point.

Fans aren't as stupid as people will often think they are. For instance on this issue, many understand the whole dominant/surrender aspect of tackling but many also understand when this is being abused and is just holding down. At the Widnes game it didn't matter who won the collision whether the player got quickly to his knees or whether he was worked to his back, Saints were just allowed to hold on for a number of seconds.

It is a big problem and one that we saw at Huddersfield and Wigan a couple of seasons ago. It really kills the spectacle and needs to be stamped out. Look at last night's game, it was quick and the PTB was policed fairly. The result was an entertaining game. If all teams played the Saints way we would have a much worse spectacle.

I'm not a fan of comparing our sport to Union but I caught a glimpse of Super 15 yesterday morning and couldn't believe how quick the ruck speed was. They've brought in some new rules and they certainly felt the best way to play was to get quick ball. It just struck me what whilst they are trying to speek up the ruck for more entertaining play, we are allowing and promoting tactics that massively slow the ruck down. The average used to be around 4 seconds, it was counted as high as 8 seconds during the Widnes game.

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I do feel guilty about laying into Roby, and if I wasn't a big fat fatty I think I'd give officiating a go, like I said last week he is someone's son, brother, husband and dad no doubt.

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I do feel guilty about laying into Roby, and if I wasn't a big fat fatty I think I'd give officiating a go, like I said last week he is someone's son, brother, husband and dad no doubt.

It's not necessarily the ref's fault but the interpretation of the rules that is passed down to them.

The referees should be ensuring a fair game but also a good spectacle. I'm not a huge fan of Ganson but I saw an interview with him the other day and he was asked what he thought at half-time and he said, 'good, quick game.' This should be what they are after.

I think some refs are intimidated by somebody like Nathan Brown, like they think he must know the rules better than they do. It's the only plausible explanation I can come up with for their allowance of blatant holding down.

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My two tips for big improvers have both beaten the mighty Bulls, coincidence? I think not... we won't lose again! :D

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Special mention must go to Jarrod Sammut. Despite bombing a try he never stopped trying. Can't see us getting near Hudds but hope for a good effort.

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Numpty - a short word with one vowel and ending in "y"

Roby - ...

I'll leave readers to spot the difference.

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To take it away from the ref for a moment (I'll be coming back to him though), I thought in the first 20 minutes the Bulls didn't look awake at all - right from the kick off Saints out-enthused us and you can't blame the ref for some - frankly - appalling tackling in the first quarter. We seemed to get a sniff of it about 25 minutes in, by that time though the game was over. Shame, if we'd come to the KO a bit sharper we would have seen a good close game I think.

Now the ref, I'll say this. For the first time in years I saw a ref who was genuinely out of his depth. I mean at times, not a clue what was going on. I do think the penalties at the ruck were rediculous in the first half, considering Saints seemed to be doing similar things to the Bulls and getting away with it. It winds the crowd up, of course, but then you have to think we got a lot our way 2nd half against Cas.

However, the ref was just plain missing big calls - both ways as well. Lomax got clattered by one of our forwards in a tackle that should have probably gone on report, and a couple of late challenges as well. There were some stoppages in play where he didn't really know how to restart the game. If the game had been more of a showpiece and closer as a contest there was a real danger a few players might have been sent off as he had bare minimal control of the game and almost no authority. I certainly don't blame the ref for the result (he didn't miss the tackles, and it was just one of those days where when we did start playing, we didn't get the bounce of the ball), but I don't think he is ready to ref Super League - or at least he wasn't on Saturday.

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The group of people near the camera seemed like typically well-balanced Yorkshire folk. :lol:

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