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This argument always baffles me because it makes little sense. Historic immigration in this country largely (but not exclusively) took place as an outcome of conquest and the conquerers would then mix with the natives. But that process generally took decades, or in the case of the Romans centuries. And there were fairly disgintuishable gaps in time between each wave of conquering. Of course trade brought immigration, but that was primarily focused around port areas at least until the industrial revolution got underway and immigrants were brought in to supplement employment gaps. To a lesser extent religion brought immigration as a result of persecution elsewhere - for example the Jews - or in earlier times through missionary work to the British Isles by Christians from other areas of Europe. Historically, though, the process of immigration has been gradual and periodic and the outcome has been integration and assimilation.

However, since the start of the industrial revolution - but particularly over the last 20 years - the rate of immigration and the sheer numbers and ethnic diversity of immigrants has simply taken off, and we will experience another wave when the next batch of countries join the EU. Over the last couple of decades we have hardly had time to adjust to one group of people joining us when in come another. And yet there are areas of the country, like where I live at present, where immigration has hardly had an impact at all. Here in St Helens our biggest ethnic minority group is the Poles, and they number a whopping 600 (out of a total population of 180,000). However, that 600 are virtually all newly arrived Poles, as opposed to Poles who settled in the UK following the Second World War, and so the suddenness of their arrival caused temporary difficulties for local services (nobody in St Helens spoke Polish, for one thing!). Other than the Poles, St Helens has a smattering of Chinese (and always has had), Asian and African-Carribean peoples. But I think St Helens is still something like 98% white British. Contrast that with, say, Peterborough which has known massive immigration over the last 20 years - to the point where one of its primary schools now has no child speaking English as their first language - and really how people can morph the last 20 years of immigration in particular into the rest of history as if it has always been thus is beyond me. There must be some deliberate denial going on.

Oh dear, if you live in a place that's 98% White British then your opinion is invalid (see posts upstream) as apparently only by living through the true horror of having neighbours who aren't White British can you appreciate the sheer terror of the situation.

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This may have been covered but I'm not going through 10,000 word posts to find out: is any of the change in 'White British''s status related to the fact that there seemto be a fair number of White British men and women who have sired the next generation with someone not of White British origin and so their child is marked as 'White Other' or 'Mixed Race'?

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This may have been covered but I'm not going through 10,000 word posts to find out: is any of the change in 'White British''s status related to the fact that there seemto be a fair number of White British men and women who have sired the next generation with someone not of White British origin and so their child is marked as 'White Other' or 'Mixed Race'?

And why is there never a box marked "Pure Bred Celt"

NB:This is a joke (the emoticon box isn't working).

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And why is there never a box marked "Pure Bred Celt"

Because to prove that you are one you need to pull the sword from the stone.

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Oh dear, if you live in a place that's 98% White British then your opinion is invalid (see posts upstream) as apparently only by living through the true horror of having neighbours who aren't White British can you appreciate the sheer terror of the situation.

Without the obvious hyperbole, your statement is fundamentally true. Middle class people who don't live amongst ethnic minorities tend only to come into contact with them at work or through spokespersons for those communities. Such ethnic-origin work-contacts are generally reasonable people who have a career/job and are fully integrated. Spokespersons for such groups are often much more educated and reasonable than the bulk of the people they represent.

Just because the St Patrick's Church charity and Catholic Schools in Bradford are run by nice people, it doesn't mean that all the gypsies and RC residents on rough housing estates are nice people as well.

Sayeeda Warsi is, in my opinion an excellent role model and spokesperson for the muslim community. She's from Dewsbury but she's certainly not typical of many of the residents in Saviletown.

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Because to prove that you are one you need to pull the sword from the stone.

Most Celts are reasonably well-blessed in the sword-and-two-stones department. ; )

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Most Celts are reasonably well-blessed in the sword-and-two-stones department. ; )

yes but are the men?

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yes but are the men?

I'll have to ask one ....

[disappears for 30 seconds and returns].

Yes, effing enormous

;) B)

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Without the obvious hyperbole, your statement is fundamentally true. Middle class people who don't live amongst ethnic minorities tend only to come into contact with them at work or through spokespersons for those communities. Such ethnic-origin work-contacts are generally reasonable people who have a career/job and are fully integrated. Spokespersons for such groups are often much more educated and reasonable than the bulk of the people they represent.

Just because the St Patrick's Church charity and Catholic Schools in Bradford are run by nice people, it doesn't mean that all the gypsies and RC residents on rough housing estates are nice people as well.

Sayeeda Warsi is, in my opinion an excellent role model and spokesperson for the muslim community. She's from Dewsbury but she's certainly not typical of many of the residents in Saviletown.

The same could easily be applied if you remove the references to ethnicity or religion. In fact what you have said is just an example of class prejudice, or plain snobbery.

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Do you know, the President of Romania was on the TV news the other night, and I was really impressed with him. apparently the great majority of his emigrating countrymen will be going to Germany and we've nothing much to worry about.

Oh dear:

http://www.dailymail...just-years.html

:dry: The daily wail. I think it may be safer if that is taken with a hefty pinch of this:

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Without the obvious hyperbole, your statement is fundamentally true. Middle class people who don't live amongst ethnic minorities tend only to come into contact with them at work or through spokespersons for those communities. Such ethnic-origin work-contacts are generally reasonable people who have a career/job and are fully integrated. Spokespersons for such groups are often much more educated and reasonable than the bulk of the people they represent.

Therefore Sainstlass (St Helens - 98% white) is not allowed to comment.

I'm glad we agree.

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:dry: The daily wail. I think it may be safer if that is taken with a hefty pinch of this:

ngs-gourmet-salt-068767112010143236.JPG

Crystal meth?

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Therefore Sainstlass (St Helens - 98% white) is not allowed to comment.

I'm glad we agree.

Not at all. I'm sure that, unlike some on this board, she's willing to accept the inferences and validity of other peoples more-direct experiences and accept that, in some instances the other person may be right.

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The same could easily be applied if you remove the references to ethnicity or religion. In fact what you have said is just an example of class prejudice, or plain snobbery.

So presumably we can expect you to be moving to Toxteth or Burnage anytime soon. Not to do so would be just pure snobbery.

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So presumably we can expect you to be moving to Toxteth or Burnage anytime soon. Not to do so would be just pure snobbery.

If the world had to follow your logic I would. I don't know about Burnage, but I wouldn't mind living in Toxteth. :rolleyes:

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" retains many original features" proof that the popular image of scousers is wrong?

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I'm usually thought of as one of the leftie liberals on here. About 18 months ago, I moved out to Brussels, a city that has gone through wave after wave of mass immigration and is still evolving massively today.

I must admit immigration does have a dramatic effect here, both on the local language and the general feel of the city. Many immigrants hardly make any effort to learn the language, integrate with the local culture and many of them contribute nothing in taxes.

But that's enough about the British and Irish expat community...

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If the world had to follow your logic I would. I don't know about Burnage, but I wouldn't mind living in Toxteth. :rolleyes:

Has a local drug dealer got sent down?

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many of them contribute nothing in taxes.

How does that work? Are there a lot of unemployed Brits/Irish in Brussels or do they have special tax dispensation?

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Has a local drug dealer got sent down?

I admire your style; I challenge one stereotype and you bounce straight back with another. B)

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How does that work? Are there a lot of unemployed Brits/Irish in Brussels or do they have special tax dispensation?

EU officials and those holding diplomatic status don't pay tax to Belgian authorities.

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