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STOP CALLING US 'LEAGUE'!

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If the game is changed to Leeds or Wigan then I'm off!

What do people say to describe when they go and watch their team? For me it's "I'm off to't Bulls"!

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The fact that, as you say, the vast (or at least a sizeable) majority of the public in this country don't even know the difference between the two codes of Rugby suggests that it might have been a good idea for RL to have adopted a different name to give itself a clear identity. The moment for this to have occured has long past, but half of RL's problems in expanding the game has been around our use of the word Rugby. And I don't like the idea of anyone mistakenly thinking that I support the game with its HQ at Twickenham.

But we are Rugby - just that we have slightly different rules to union! Like it or not, our game has benefitted historically from being a form of rugby. There is no way NZ, Australia and France would be playing RL because there is no way RL could have spread abroad (due to hardly any working class people ending up in high positions in the Empire. We have fed off RUs spread due to its larger financial clout, using schisms in their game in the same way we diverged

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What difference does it make??? Really

It's quite important for newcomers to the sport or people who have no knowledge of our existence (obviously more so in the UK than Aus).

Of course by far the most annoying name to call our sport: "football". It's so ridiculous when fans on here refer to Rugby League as "football" and then call real football "soccer". It's just stupid and say it outside Rugby League heartlands and people would just laugh at you or think you're talking about the The Beautiful Game. I know it's part of our history but drop the whole "football" thing it makes you sound flipping American.

I don't think League is actually a bad name. I think seperating ourselves from football and rugby union are the best things the sport can do in the future! We are a completely seperate (and better) sport that is more entertaining than the other two and all 70 million people in the UK should at least watch one "League" match before they die!!!!

But I guess it is a shame the sport was founded in "Huddersfield" and not a place with a shorter, snappier name instead!

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Of course by far the most annoying name to call our sport: "football". It's so ridiculous when fans on here refer to Rugby League as "football" and then call real football "soccer". It's just stupid and say it outside Rugby League heartlands and people would just laugh at you or think you're talking about the The Beautiful Game. I know it's part of our history but drop the whole "football" thing it makes you sound flipping American.

Just to be clear, Hull Football Club.

The Rugby Football League is as much about real "football" as it is real "rugby" and real "league".

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It's quite important for newcomers to the sport or people who have no knowledge of our existence (obviously more so in the UK than Aus).

Of course by far the most annoying name to call our sport: "football". It's so ridiculous when fans on here refer to Rugby League as "football" and then call real football "soccer". It's just stupid and say it outside Rugby League heartlands and people would just laugh at you or think you're talking about the The Beautiful Game. I know it's part of our history but drop the whole "football" thing it makes you sound flipping American.

I don't think League is actually a bad name. I think seperating ourselves from football and rugby union are the best things the sport can do in the future! We are a completely seperate (and better) sport that is more entertaining than the other two and all 70 million people in the UK should at least watch one "League" match before they die!!!!

But I guess it is a shame the sport was founded in "Huddersfield" and not a place with a shorter, snappier name instead!

Like Rugby, where RL was founded? 1895 is merely when it separated from union ( despite being the same sport for a while)

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I don't call RL football because that's not how I grew up. But it is not ridiculous at all. What *is* ridiculous though is people getting upset at calling Association Football 'soccer'. Its quite a modern thing to pretend it was never called soccer. Usually by johnny come lately fans.

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It's quite important for newcomers to the sport or people who have no knowledge of our existence (obviously more so in the UK than Aus).

Of course by far the most annoying name to call our sport: "football". It's so ridiculous when fans on here refer to Rugby League as "football" and then call real football "soccer". It's just stupid and say it outside Rugby League heartlands and people would just laugh at you or think you're talking about the The Beautiful Game. I know it's part of our history but drop the whole "football" thing it makes you sound flipping American.

I don't think League is actually a bad name. I think seperating ourselves from football and rugby union are the best things the sport can do in the future! We are a completely seperate (and better) sport that is more entertaining than the other two and all 70 million people in the UK should at least watch one "League" match before they die!!!!

But I guess it is a shame the sport was founded in "Huddersfield" and not a place with a shorter, snappier name instead!

well the clubs are rugbyleague football clubs

thegoverning body is the rugby football league

the game is rugby league football

then there is rugby union football

association football

gaelic football

australian rules football

american football

canadian football

then there are the shrove tuesday football games in villages around the country: the genesis of the forms of football we know today after the public schools of england took them up and started to make rules, laws and structures for them.

I hope this helps.

anyway you can't make people call something something. They will call it what tey like.

for instance people call vaccuum cleaners 'hoovers' to te annoyance no doubt of the other manufaturers. Still on the subject of vaccuums, people tend to refer to vaccuum flask as thermo flasks. The London underground is called the tube, when in fact only a small section of it was actually officially called thast, because of the nature of its construction.

when I was nine I was a given a soccer ball for christmas, when I was ten I was given a pair of stanley mathews continental soccer boots like most of the kids in my town. Soccer was the colloquial name for association football then.

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This reminds me of ignorant music fans who don't understand the term 'rock n roll'. A real music fan understands what it means, ignorant jokers think it means Teddy boys etc.

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Before 1895 presumably it was Rugby - not Rugby Union - they applied that term to their game in order to distance themselves from NU & later RL. Certainly Heath Rugby Union Football Club near Elland define themselves as such. To me we've just as much right to call ourselves Rugby as the Union lot. Whether it is good for the game that we should is another argument altogether. I'm off to the the Rugby at Fev now.

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Posted · Hidden by John Drake, February 24, 2013 - troll

I have seen some fans on forums call it "mungoball". It does have a nice sound to it but where does the name originate from? It's not similar to "rugby" or "league" at all.

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well the clubs are rugbyleague football clubs

thegoverning body is the rugby football league

the game is rugby league football

then there is rugby union football

association football

gaelic football

australian rules football

american football

canadian football

then there are the shrove tuesday football games in villages around the country: the genesis of the forms of football we know today after the public schools of england took them up and started to make rules, laws and structures for them.

I hope this helps.

anyway you can't make people call something something. They will call it what tey like.

for instance people call vaccuum cleaners 'hoovers' to te annoyance no doubt of the other manufaturers. Still on the subject of vaccuums, people tend to refer to vaccuum flask as thermo flasks. The London underground is called the tube, when in fact only a small section of it was actually officially called thast, because of the nature of its construction.

when I was nine I was a given a soccer ball for christmas, when I was ten I was given a pair of stanley mathews continental soccer boots like most of the kids in my town. Soccer was the colloquial name for association football then.

Ive tried and tried to explain all that to Americans over here.They actually think they created football plus the name "FOOTBALL"means your talking about their game.I have noticed Australians seem to prounce RUGBYLEAGUE as if its all one word

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Before 1895 presumably it was Rugby - not Rugby Union - they applied that term to their game in order to distance themselves from NU & later RL. Certainly Heath Rugby Union Football Club near Elland define themselves as such. To me we've just as much right to call ourselves Rugby as the Union lot. Whether it is good for the game that we should is another argument altogether. I'm off to the the Rugby at Fev now.

it was rugby football, or football. The Yorkshire post would publish an annual 'football number' at the end of every season in the 19th century.

the union was the governing body, s was the northern union and therugby football league- league is synonymous with union-a group of people with shared aims.

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ive always called rugby league, 'league', and rugby union, 'union'.

probably because both clubs are popular drinking holes, and when people ring for a taxi, its just to either the league or to the union, the word rugby barely gets mentioned. :D

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You should hear the confusion in my office when I tell my colleagues I'm going to watch the rugby.They have no idea about the different codes (apart from soccer).

( I work in London and follow Sale and Salford!)

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What difference does it make??? Really

Absolutely none but it does seem to wind some people up - even if some of the same people concede rugby league should differientate itself from rugby union. Some of that same sub set of semantic junkies (often referred to as pub bores) then go on to insist on referring to rugby league as rugby - whilst simultaneously denying rugby union afficionados that same privilege. Perhaps Eric Blair got the idea for "doublethink" when researching The Road to Wigan Pier?

By accident rugby league has ended up being referred to as "league", which at least has the benefit of differentiating itself from rugby union. The real reason many people hate the term is of course that it was "invented" in Australia. I don't, however, like how the Sydney Morning Herald sets out it's online sports section: NRL, Union, Cricket, ...

It's one thing how a sport is referred to in the "culture" and amongst people in their everyday lives. But that's not good enough for a newspaper who owes a duty of care to casual visitors out there who aren't aware that there are two "rugbys". If someone has told the NRL they benefit from this arrangement they've been poorly advised. Ultimately their fortunes depend on the sport of which they are only a part, Rugby League Football. They owe it to that sport to have that simple fact made clear.

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I notice Stevo regularly uses the terms 'Rugby League Football' to refer to the sport also the ball. Is this a new thing or has he always done it. TBH I don't think RL will gain from dropping the word Rugby from its name. Its simple enough to say you are a rugby supporter and then clarify if someone asks league or proper rugby union ;).

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I quite often refer to 'rugby league football'.

Then again, I quite often call for the drop goal or something different, maybe the little chip over the top.

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The Aussie called it "footy" as far as I know. Only NZers call it league (a term which I find derogatory).

I listen to a fair bit of Australian radio, and it's frequently referred to as 'League' there, as well as 'footy'

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I notice Stevo regularly uses the terms 'Rugby League Football' to refer to the sport also the ball. Is this a new thing or has he always done it. TBH I don't think RL will gain from dropping the word Rugby from its name. Its simple enough to say you are a rugby supporter and then clarify if someone asks league or proper rugby union ;).

Stevo has always done it, though no-one really knows why. He talks continually of "the rugby league football", when he could have just said "ball", or "rugby ball". Never heard him say, "the rugby league football ball boy", as yet, but there is time...

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What difference does it make??? Really

it matters when there is confusion between rugby league and rugby union.

This can occur deliberately and malevolently: less I think these days, but that's purely my imnpression. This is especially annoying when rugby league's achievements and merits are either ignored or misreprestented as being a festure of rugby union.

Joinathan Palethorpe 'paley' sometime of this parish campaigned long and eloquently against this.

It can also occur through ignorance or laziness

Otherwise as you suggest it makes no difference.

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On the name issue it might interest some that Canadian Football, (similar but different to American Football), used to be also know as Rugby. Indeed it was governed in the country by the Canadian Rugby Union. It was only in the the 1960's that it changed it's name.

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I notice Stevo regularly uses the terms 'Rugby League Football' to refer to the sport also the ball. Is this a new thing or has he always done it. TBH I don't think RL will gain from dropping the word Rugby from its name. Its simple enough to say you are a rugby supporter and then clarify if someone asks league or proper rugby union ;).

Woah, woah, woah. I got there first rah rah! :P

"Proper rugby" is my term. The full name is "proper rugby, none of that union ####".

(apologies to the nice union peeps on TRL, but they probably won't read this anyway!)

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On the name issue it might interest some that Canadian Football, (similar but different to American Football), used to be also know as Rugby. Indeed it was governed in the country by the Canadian Rugby Union. It was only in the the 1960's that it changed it's name.

Now that, I didn't know.

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On the name issue it might interest some that Canadian Football, (similar but different to American Football), used to be also know as Rugby. Indeed it was governed in the country by the Canadian Rugby Union. It was only in the the 1960's that it changed it's name.

100 years ago it wasn't just called Rugby, it was Rugby ― but not Rugby Union. The Canadian Rugby Football that Earl Grey donated the Grey Cup for in 1909 was rugby football that had no rucks, no mauls, no fair catches, no throw-ins and even no scrums. Instead it had an early form of play-the-ball, a sin-bin rule, a 3-yard restraining area (later 5) for offside members of the kicking team on kicks in general play and the rouge that applied (and still does today) on kicks in general play that go in-goal. The parallels to RL are the main reason I came to like RL so much: to all intents and purposes it's an improved version of that uniquely Canadian game. Football fans in Canada don't know it, but the distinctive Canadian rules in today's so-called Canadian football were all created for rugby football and have little point in the US-style game that Canadians know today.

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