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walter sobchak

George burgess

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By all accounts George burgess had a good game in souths lastest trial match and is being talked about securing a place in souths 17 for round 1 in the NRL. He could be a bolter for a bench spot for England in the world cup, acting as an impact player, alongside his brothers Sam and Luke not to mention the likes of James graham, Gareth hock, Gareth Ellis, James Roby, lee mossop and Kevin sinfield the England pack is as strong as I can ever remember in my 20+ years of watching rugby league.

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I saw the trial game, and George Burgess was impressive. There's little evidence yet of brother Sam's all-round abilities, but George more than matched him in terms of yardage gained.

As for the list of names above, I'm not sure that the likes of Lee Mossop & Luke Burgess have indicated that they're in any way at the level of Morley (in his prime), Paul Sculthorpe or even, going on his World Club Challenge performance, Jamie Peacock. Gareth Hock certainly has the talent...

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in recent years the best pack I can remember contained Farrell, Sculthorpe, Peacock, Morley, Newton, I'm not sure weve got the same quality in the pack right now although its still impressive

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8. James graham

9. James Roby

10. Sam burgess

11. Gareth Ellis

12. Ben Westwood

13. Kevin sinfield

With the likes of George burgess, Luke burgess, chris hill, Sean o'loughlin, lee mossop, errol Crabtree, Gareth hock, Stevie ward challenging for a spot on the bench, great depth IMO.

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in recent years the best pack I can remember contained Farrell, Sculthorpe, Peacock, Morley, Newton, I'm not sure weve got the same quality in the pack right now although its still impressive

Great pack, also the pack of the mal reilly era like Hanley, platt, Jackson, betts, Clarke was also pretty special.

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8. james graham

9. james roby

10. chris hill

11.gareth ellis

12. gareth hock or westwood

13. sam burgess

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Still considering whether we can afford to have Westwood and Hock in the same side, both sensational players but could both easily go off on one and cost us silly penalties or be down to 12 men.

I'd probably go:

Chris Hill

James Roby

James Graham

Ben Westwood

Gareth Ellis

Sam Burgess

Rob Burrow

Eorl Crabtree

Gareth Hock

Luke Burgess

I think the World Cup has come too soon for Stevie Ward. Another season under his belt and I think he would be a shoe in for the 13 jersey. Crabtree IMO has to player along with Burrow as the Aussies seem to have problems playing against Crabtree and players like Burrow. I wouldnt have Hock and Westwood on the same field at the same time. Chris Hill has to play he's been the best prop in SL towards the end of last season and now this one.

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Not sure any of the Burgess boys are going to be anything like Sam in terms of skill etc. but that doesn't mean they could all turn out to be very good props. Think George and Tom are very much big units who drive the ball in hard, make the yards and make their tackles.. nothing fancy.

My starting pack for the RLWC, barring any injury or loss of form would be.

James Graham

James Roby

Sam Burgess

Gareth Hock

Gareth Ellis

Sean O'Loughlin

subs from

Ben Westwood

Chris Hill

Earl Crabtree

Luke Burgess

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8. james graham

9. james roby

10. chris hill

11.gareth ellis

12. gareth hock or westwood

13. sam burgess

I would play Sam burgess at 13 every day of the week were it not for the fact of Kevin sinfields kicking and the fact that will Gareth widdop be picked at 6 or Danny brough at 7.

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8. James graham

9. James Roby

10. Sam burgess

11. Gareth Ellis

12. Ben Westwood

13. Kevin sinfield

With the likes of George burgess, Luke burgess, chris hill, Sean o'loughlin, lee mossop, errol Crabtree, Gareth hock, Stevie ward challenging for a spot on the bench, great depth IMO.

Stevie ward???? Are you been serious, he is no were near a England spot I struggle to see what he does so well ie. what's his position million miles away widdop Myler ratchford hardaker houghton hodgson all ahead of him

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sinfield will play 6 for england every day of the week while McNamara is in charge

Well we won't win anything, NZ have Kieron foran or benji Marshall and the Aussies have Jonathan thurston playing at 6, genuine stand offs who ply their trade week in week out in the NRL at 6.

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Stevie ward???? Are you been serious, he is no were near a England spot I struggle to see what he does so well ie. what's his position million miles away widdop Myler ratchford hardaker houghton hodgson all ahead of him

The world cup is probably to early for stevie ward but he's a loose forward for Leeds and England for the future.

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I tend to disagree, England well covered in that area for a long time, the lad ward will need to put some size on to be a good international loose forward

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I tend to disagree, England well covered in that area for a long time, the lad ward will need to put some size on to be a good international loose forward

Depends on what type of loose forward you want.A runner or a distributor.

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in recent years the best pack I can remember contained Farrell, Sculthorpe, Peacock, Morley, Newton, I'm not sure weve got the same quality in the pack right now although its still impressive

Fielden

Newton (Cunningham if he'd been fit)

Morley

Peacock

Farrell

Scunthorpe

Best pack I saw at GB.

When you had the likes of McDermott, Anderson and O'Connor in their prime as well, that was a pretty fearsome pack. Shame we had poor halves and three-quarter line in the early 2000s. Karl Pratt, Richard Horne and Stuart Reardon on the wing for GB says it all!

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Has anyone had a look at Simon Grix in the games we've been on Sky this year? I'd go as far as saying he's been Warrington's best forward so far.

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6 and 7 are up for grabs and need sorting if we are to be the convicts. Our options in the pack are truely fan though.

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Has anyone had a look at Simon Grix in the games we've been on Sky this year? I'd go as far as saying he's been Warrington's best forward so far.

I tend to watch Grix a lot because I knock about with his dad and like you say he has been playing very well.

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We always do quite well in the forwards... its the backs where we struggle.

you took the words right out of my mouth! exactly.

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Well we won't win anything, NZ have Kieron foran or benji Marshall and the Aussies have Jonathan thurston playing at 6, genuine stand offs who ply their trade week in week out in the NRL at 6.

foran is bobbins and is'nt even gonna get a game for nz now they have shaun johnson...and the jury is still out on johnson & benji actually work cos its highly likely they'll cancel each other out..

benji,when he tries to do everything himself runs around like a headless chicken....

benji & foran together @ 6&7 have only ever beaten wales!...

i'll give you thurston though....but i think hes a better 7

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We always do quite well in the forwards... its the backs where we struggle.

our backs are a light years better than they where in the latter half of the 2000's

tomkins & hall are world class...jack reed can't do anything wrong in brisbane,watkins & charnley are on the way to being very,very good

tom briscoe getting a gig at cronulla...

people whinge about sinfield at 6 but theres probably only cam smith,greg inglis & billy slater thats out performed him in internationals over the past 3-4 years....

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As for the list of names above, I'm not sure that the likes of Lee Mossop & Luke Burgess have indicated that they're in any way at the level of Morley (in his prime), Paul Sculthorpe or even, going on his World Club Challenge performance, Jamie Peacock. Gareth Hock certainly has the talent...

You cant say that about Lee Mossop,Exiled Wiganer has him mentioned in about 50% of his posts since he broke into the Wigan side so much so that i'm pretty certain he is, delete where appropiate; parent,relative,agent,girlfriend,boyfriend or Lee himself.One thing for is sure he aint international standard.

Forwards aint our main problem though getting the HB'S and 3/4 right(by mean right) playing them in their natural positions is key,so playing Sinfield at 6 is a no starter please

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