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For all the detractors of the current NCL regime i would like to see anyone else step up and do a better job, the move to summer was always going to polarise people but the unpresidented growth of the NCL during such austere times must prove its still is the place to be

No doubt the summer/winter debate will be ongoing for quite some time, but i think it would be in everyones interest to shelve it and review it properly at a defined timescale, the daily battles around it on here are becoming tiresome and frankly boring.

Its now time for the season to start and let the rugby be the focus, so best of luck to all teams competing in this years competition and lets make it the best yet

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Apologies lost my thread. Let the games do the talking sounds the best way to go. that said the expansion of NCL when it has a summer monopoly at tier 3 in the North does somewhat takes the gloss off your progress statement. Quantity may not give the quality anticipated but time will tell.

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Times are tough Marauder but the NCL have secured once more the ref fees for their clubs ( approx £ 14 k ) and are working on travel expenses at just over half of last years grant. There will also be transparency as to how the whole Sport England grant is made up for the Community Game.

Not bad when David Gent has had to lose approx half of his staff of 60 +.

Oh and the balls --Ryan Sparks has sponsored over 200 from League weekly - the clubs got them at the last meeting....

By the way the NCL is still independent , though you are unlikely to agree...........

Who pays for the touch judges? what was last years grant? transparency :D & 4 balls each from a sponsor not the RFL, When does the welcome mat come out for the dual reg players? (Or has David Gents phone gone with half of his staff?

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Fair point Taxi Egg

NCL negotiated a deal that foresaw future issues and they simply asked that that deal be honoured. The RFL are doing that. Nothing to do with the Community Board or its composition..

I've told you before that Charly Bray and Martin Coyd rep Tier 4. If you have issues take them up with them.

Meanwhile I can't think that the NCL owe anyone any apologies for looking after their own League in these incredibly difficult times............

How have the other League Reps gone in their discussions with RFL.... ??

£10,000 to go summer

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The clubs made an informed choice and would have made the move upon the recomendation of the management committee anyway, no club would be niave enough to think the travel grants would be a long term prospect to prop up tier 3, the grant isnt massive and may be less this year but we have managed without one for long enough and will manage again

The way people consistantly slate the NCL Management committee smacks of jelousy, perhaps if BARLA hadn't been stuck in the past and been a little more progressive then they would have been under the same umbrella anyway?

Yes the NCL gets good representation at the Community Board but surely thats their job and they can never be critisised for acting in the interest of their member clubs, maybe if the others got their act together they would be better served by the Community Board?

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The clubs made an informed choice and would have made the move upon the recomendation of the management committee anyway, no club would be niave enough to think the travel grants would be a long term prospect to prop up tier 3, the grant isnt massive and may be less this year but we have managed without one for long enough and will manage again

The way people consistantly slate the NCL Management committee smacks of jelousy, perhaps if BARLA hadn't been stuck in the past and been a little more progressive then they would have been under the same umbrella anyway?

Yes the NCL gets good representation at the Community Board but surely thats their job and they can never be critisised for acting in the interest of their member clubs, maybe if the others got their act together they would be better served by the Community Board?

Didn't some of the NCL committee also sit on the BARLA committee? & Have you honestly taken a good look at how the community board committee is made up and how bias towards the RFL it is.

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The pennine league should have that representation, but BARLA dont represent much of the game nowadays

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The pennine league should have that representation, but BARLA dont represent much of the game nowadays

BARLA got a massive yes vote last week at a meeting of the districts.

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BARLA got a massive yes vote last week at a meeting of the districts.

A massive YES vote for what.

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Sorry Longman for going on but the reason for securing a 3 year deal is to protect against cut backs, i can only imagine that the RFL would have enough cash to honour any deal struck up with the NCL over a 3 year deal,

i understand and agree clubs can march on without it im just qeustioning could a better deal have been done ( i would class my comments as a debate not mooning about summer before someone buts in)

i agree i think the NCL should have agreed a 3 year amount, that was a mistake there is no point having a guarantee of funding if no amount is agreed but i dont think this funding played a big part in the swithc to summer.Maybe the RFL said they couldnt guarantee an amount for 3 years as they dont know what money they are receiving each year, and the NCL had o accept that or turn down the deal, which would have been foolish.

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The clubs made an informed choice and would have made the move upon the recomendation of the management committee anyway, no club would be niave enough to think the travel grants would be a long term prospect to prop up tier 3, the grant isnt massive and may be less this year but we have managed without one for long enough and will manage again

The way people consistantly slate the NCL Management committee smacks of jelousy, perhaps if BARLA hadn't been stuck in the past and been a little more progressive then they would have been under the same umbrella anyway?

Yes the NCL gets good representation at the Community Board but surely thats their job and they can never be critisised for acting in the interest of their member clubs, maybe if the others got their act together they would be better served by the Community Board?

Duke , Peter and Trevor are not on the Community Board to represent the NCL .

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A massive YES vote for what.

A massive YES vote for what.

Hopfully to run a winter NCL then clubs would have a choice instead of being told tuff we are summer now stop moaning and get on with it

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BARLA got a massive yes vote last week at a meeting of the districts.

which districts were there?

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Hopfully to run a winter NCL then clubs would have a choice instead of being told tuff we are summer now stop moaning and get on with it

What? That old chestnut! They tried that last year and no-one was interested. But, you never know, things might change.

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which districts were there?

This was the third meeting of the District leagues over the last few months, the original meeting was called by the Leeds & Cas/Fev districts because of concern over the RFL not going through the agreed channels on certain subjects, these meetings have started to gain support from the district leagues with every meeting (2nd meeting was attended by David Gent)

A few items have been highlighted has to why things have seemed to be going wrong within the association and the main one seemed to be communications or the lack of it.

It was also noted that some of the people who where/are district secretaries now aligned with areas who have gone along with the RFL and summer rugbyand have stopped communicating with their clubs.

After the 100% vote not to form a working group from the district leagues and give BARLA their full backing It was highlighted that the districts need to start attending BARLA meetings again because this is where democratic decisions are made, It's looking like the system within BARLA will be starting to work again and this will only lead to a stronger organised association.

13 districts & 1 independent observer where in attendance with apologise coming from 4 others at the last meeting.

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Duke , Peter and Trevor are not on the Community Board to represent the NCL .

I've noticed on the Community board page on the RFL website the BARLA member of the Community board has been airbrushed out :O

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What? That old chestnut! They tried that last year and no-one was interested. But, you never know, things might change.

You sure that no one was interested ?

I know differently and BARLA like the RFL got caught out by the amount of clubs that switched seasons, It was only really muted about a BARLA Conference again when NCL clubs started to voice a concern about summer, this concern grew has the summer season went on (BARLA are keeping the ID of the clubs a secret simply because they don't want the RFL putting pressure onto them)

Lets not forget the old chestnut why the first summer season was a disaster (it takes time to change the concept and it will get better, honest) and BARLA do not want to rush into a disaster.

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Jim,

I like many others have little or no faith in the current Board at Bara they have sat back and done nothing to fight the RFL spin and they have plenty of ammunition to do so .

Ask any Board member the last time they attended a regional youth and junior meeting or indeed held one ?

Only Stu Prior shows any genuine desire for the game and they tried to boot him out of the wilderness because he dared to try and communicate and work with the RFL for the benefit of BARLA .

They removed him as CB rep after only 12 months with the " chair " justifying the move that they need fresh ideas and replaced him with Malcolm Sellars who lasted one meeting , Stu is now back on the CB as the BARLA rep hardly inspiring is it .

We have had the same Youth and Junior chair for several years and in that time Barla has lost the support of several of its regions at Y&J Leagues ,does the chair advocate a new chair with fresh ideas ? NO they dont even try to communicate with us any more so what is the Youth and Junior Chair actually chair of ?

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You sure that no one was interested ?

I know differently and BARLA like the RFL got caught out by the amount of clubs that switched seasons, It was only really muted about a BARLA Conference again when NCL clubs started to voice a concern about summer, this concern grew has the summer season went on (BARLA are keeping the ID of the clubs a secret simply because they don't want the RFL putting pressure onto them)

Lets not forget the old chestnut why the first summer season was a disaster (it takes time to change the concept and it will get better, honest) and BARLA do not want to rush into a disaster.

Barla asked which clubs wanted a competition run on the lines of winter ncl and suprise suprise there wasnt enough clubs who wanted it now you say clubs arent happy ive asked beofre who are all these clubs which tell you they arent happy but sont really seem to want to change.

What pressure can the RFL put on clubs wanting to change to winter, i would presume a club would want to switch becuase there players want to switch back what are you saying the clubs go bakc and sya to there players we cant change as the RFL are putting pressure to stop in summer.

Does anybody know of any teams which would prefer to play in winter but wont switch because they want to stay in the NCL league.

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You sure that no one was interested ?

I know differently and BARLA like the RFL got caught out by the amount of clubs that switched seasons, It was only really muted about a BARLA Conference again when NCL clubs started to voice a concern about summer, this concern grew has the summer season went on (BARLA are keeping the ID of the clubs a secret simply because they don't want the RFL putting pressure onto them)

Lets not forget the old chestnut why the first summer season was a disaster (it takes time to change the concept and it will get better, honest) and BARLA do not want to rush into a disaster.

On the off chance that some NCL clubs would prefer to play summer; the problem lies in the fact that they wouldnt leave the NCL to play in a league run by BARLA.

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Jim,

I like many others have little or no faith in the current Board at Bara they have sat back and done nothing to fight the RFL spin and they have plenty of ammunition to do so .

Ask any Board member the last time they attended a regional youth and junior meeting or indeed held one ?

Only Stu Prior shows any genuine desire for the game and they tried to boot him out of the wilderness because he dared to try and communicate and work with the RFL for the benefit of BARLA .

They removed him as CB rep after only 12 months with the " chair " justifying the move that they need fresh ideas and replaced him with Malcolm Sellars who lasted one meeting , Stu is now back on the CB as the BARLA rep hardly inspiring is it .

We have had the same Youth and Junior chair for several years and in that time Barla has lost the support of several of its regions at Y&J Leagues ,does the chair advocate a new chair with fresh ideas ? NO they dont even try to communicate with us any more so what is the Youth and Junior Chair actually chair of ?

These reasons are partly why the district leagues have started meeting, we've (Or most) have sat back and either allowed the associations to drift into what it has become or recently jumped ship to fuel egos in the promised land, It is the intention of the district leagues to now do what they where supposed to do and allow the BARLA committee to steer the ship, most of us have to take some blame for allowing BARLA to become a toothless Tiger, Lets put the house in order, supply a playing standard and a organised structure to equal it and lets see what happens over the next few years.

Has the saying goes, United we stand, Divided we fall.

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On the off chance that some NCL clubs would prefer to play summer; the problem lies in the fact that they wouldnt leave the NCL to play in a league run by BARLA.

Thats OK, BARLA as a association have never put anything in the way of anyone wanting to play in the summer & if you haven't noticed the RFL have expanded the NCL to soften any blows received that a switch back by clubs may have, it has also placed a few expansion clubs on standby with a tier 3 Southern conference.

The Yorkshire league where brilliant with us while we played, I'd like to say that one of the main stalwarts for the winter (Kenny Tinsdale) bent over backwards and also refereed many summer games.

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Sorry Longman for going on but the reason for securing a 3 year deal is to protect against cut backs, i can only imagine that the RFL would have enough cash to honour any deal struck up with the NCL over a 3 year deal,

i understand and agree clubs can march on without it im just qeustioning could a better deal have been done ( i would class my comments as a debate not mooning about summer before someone buts in)

Travel expense in the summer will go up between £50 & £100 a coach, the availability to hire one also becomes harder, we had to book at the start of the season for our league games but struggled when it came to the play-offs.

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