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02/03/13 - Widnes Vikings v Hull FC - KO 5.45pm (Sky Sports)

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The 5 best teams have had an Aussie come in and build the vast majority of their squad and strategies for them.

Leeds - Tony Smith, then McClennan

Wigan - Michael Maguire

Warrington - Tony Smith (very similar squad but completely changed their style around)

Saints - Millward, Anderson (followed by Potter and Brown although no success)

Huddersfield - Nathan Brown

Catalans - Trent Robinson

You're going to use facts are you? Since when has that been the TRL way? Arguably, as I have TS as an honorary Brit that allows 3 of the clubs' renaissance to be made in Europe, Anderson is picking up the pieces after Brown's increasingly erratic reign was taking them backwards. No argument with Wigan and Cats.

Perhaps a narrower point is that Gentle and Sandercock aren't very good, despite being Aussies?

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It would seem that every time we beat Hull Gentle finds their performance unacceptable/inexcusable.

Is this the norm when Hull lose or is it only when they play us?

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It would seem that every time we beat Hull Gentle finds their performance unacceptable/inexcusable.

Is this the norm when Hull lose or is it only when they play us?

With respect mate, if you look at Widnes v Hull this year and the corresponding fixture last year, I think he has a point. I don't think he's been too disrespectful to your lot.

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With respect mate, if you look at Widnes v Hull this year and the corresponding fixture last year, I think he has a point. I don't think he's been too disrespectful to your lot.

Is it just against us though, Rob.

The cynic in me wonders if he's just trying to cover his own ####.

For what its worth, I thought you were going ok for most of the first half.

But Seymour's always looked a liability to me.

And from memory, most of the unforced errors were after you'd gone behind.

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You're going to use facts are you? Since when has that been the TRL way? Arguably, as I have TS as an honorary Brit that allows 3 of the clubs' renaissance to be made in Europe, Anderson is picking up the pieces after Brown's increasingly erratic reign was taking them backwards. No argument with Wigan and Cats.

Perhaps a narrower point is that Gentle and Sandercock aren't very good, despite being Aussies?

Brown did manage to propel Huddersfield from 10th to 3rd (and a cup final) in one season though, and kept them in the play offs every year after. We can't exactly go giving Anderson tons of praise yet.

I'm still backing Gentle. Until he can get hold of another half back, the club can't go forward. Agar had 3 years to get one. He gave us the infamous Chris Thorman, an injury prone Sean Long and left us with Seymour. Gentle's managed to bring in Holdsworth so far, and been the first coach with the bottle to drop Horne. Unfortunately with Seymour proving to be complete gash, he's had to pick him again!

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It would seem that every time we beat Hull Gentle finds their performance unacceptable/inexcusable.

Is this the norm when Hull lose or is it only when they play us?

If you look at our stats, it's safe to say that our performance was inexcusable/unacceptable. The sheer number of unforced errors tells its own story. Unforced errors aren't caused by the other team.

You seem to have a bit of a chip on your shoulder there.

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:mellow: So he has.

Ah well, was only trying to get a bite on his comments on Betts. Hi Max.

Hey JB.

I'm happy to say I was wrong on Betts. To be fair I always said he might turn it around given time I just thought there was no reason to suggest he would and that the club was taking a big risk entrusting this opportunity to an inexperienced novice. I also think he handled things badly to start SL last year but he has come good. Tbh he'd taken the heat off himself by the end of last year.

I am a drifter on the forum, my hiatus had nothing to do with Widnes but more the constant negativity and down playing of the sport that has increased for the last couple of years on the Internet. We seem to be talking ourselves into the games demise and it depresses me to the point where I just switch off and do something else.

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If you look at our stats, it's safe to say that our performance was inexcusable/unacceptable. The sheer number of unforced errors tells its own story. Unforced errors aren't caused by the other team.

You seem to have a bit of a chip on your shoulder there.

Tbh most of the errors came when the game was already drifting away from you. There was a horrendous period of knock ons but this was whilst you were a couple of scores behind.

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Hey JB.

I'm happy to say I was wrong on Betts. To be fair I always said he might turn it around given time I just thought there was no reason to suggest he would and that the club was taking a big risk entrusting this opportunity to an inexperienced novice. I also think he handled things badly to start SL last year but he has come good. Tbh he'd taken the heat off himself by the end of last year.

I am a drifter on the forum, my hiatus had nothing to do with Widnes but more the constant negativity and down playing of the sport that has increased for the last couple of years on the Internet. We seem to be talking ourselves into the games demise and it depresses me to the point where I just switch off and do something else.

Remind us of your views on the World Cup again????

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Tbh most of the errors came when the game was already drifting away from you. There was a horrendous period of knock ons but this was whilst you were a couple of scores behind.

We literally threw the game away before half time. That pass by Seymour I think was possibly the worst pass I have ever seen a half back make. The slowest long ball ever.

The second half was then just one disaster after another. Seymour literally gave you the lead, then we exploded!

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We literally threw the game away before half time. That pass by Seymour I think was possibly the worst pass I have ever seen a half back make. The slowest long ball ever.

It was also a mile forward (although i'm not complaining).

It was the turning point in the game, along with our quick score straight after half-time.

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It was also a mile forward (although i'm not complaining).

It was the turning point in the game, along with our quick score straight after half-time.

So a slow, long, high, looping, forward pass to the opposition just before half time. Is there a worse kind of pass?!

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Remind us of your views on the World Cup again????

There is a difference between being claiming everything is a farce all the time and expressing a viewpoint. There are scales of grey in the world, I also think the forum would be a boring place with everybody just thinking everything was brilliant all the time.

One tweet mentioning that I dread the RLWC (largely because it opens RL up to a lot of negativity) is nothing like the same as constantly making out like the game is not as good as it used to be or every decision being made by the governing body is a joke and will kill the game. I never criticised anybody for putting on the World Cup and very rarely post about it.

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i thought joe mellor ran the show from the halves, and perhaps it was because joe was so good that made seymore look bad..........................thanks again wigna, joe will come back to bite you on the bum time and again......

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There is a difference between being claiming everything is a farce all the time and expressing a viewpoint. There are scales of grey in the world, I also think the forum would be a boring place with everybody just thinking everything was brilliant all the time.

One tweet mentioning that I dread the RLWC (largely because it opens RL up to a lot of negativity) is nothing like the same as constantly making out like the game is not as good as it used to be or every decision being made by the governing body is a joke and will kill the game. I never criticised anybody for putting on the World Cup and very rarely post about it.

Then you have a very selective memory - I pulled you up on it last year after which you promised not to post about it any more but "wait and see" or words to that effect, plus you were bleeting on during the exile game etc etc etc

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i thought joe mellor ran the show from the halves, and perhaps it was because joe was so good that made seymore look bad..........................thanks again wigna, joe will come back to bite you on the bum time and again......

I think it was dropping the back unforced on numerous occasions, throwing forward passes, missing tackles, throwing murder balls, giving away penalties and passing to the opposition that made Seymour look bad.

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Then you have a very selective memory - I pulled you up on it last year after which you promised not to post about it any more but "wait and see" or words to that effect, plus you were bleeting on during the exile game etc etc etc

Sadly for you I have a much better memory than you seem to do, I'm also able to find things that I've posted about it. I also know my own opinions far better than you do.

Just after England beat Wales 80-12 I tweeted that it is for that reason that I dread the RLWC. I'm not going to backtrack from that opinion, we put ourselves out there but then deliver something that doesn't always show off the sport in its best light and too often sheds it in a bad light. I suspect you only jumped on it because you were feeling touchy about it yourself. It was a difference of opinion, you were of the opinion that we should wait and see what the RLWC brings whereas I was (and am) of the opinion that we are likely to face some difficulties with the RLWC. I also finished the discussion with this tweet,

fair play to you. I only said I dread it not that I don't want it to do well. Hopefully I'll be proved wrong.

The only post I have subsequently made on the forum about the RLWC was hardly a scathing attack either,

http://www.totalrl.com/forums/index.php/topic/235010-rlwc-2013-success/page__st__20#entry2592627

As for the exile game, you're making that up unless you're counting the discussion I had with Johnoco where I disagreed over his opinion that RL fans should be blamed for not attending the second game. I actually defended it as a useful tool for the England squad but that we shouldn't attempt to build it up to be like Origin as it is clear that the fans haven't taken to it in that way. The paragon of negativity Dave T actually agreed with me on that issue.

You can think that I'm negative or pessimistic and to be honest I don't really care if you do. The reason I drifted away from the board for a bit wasn't because of people like me that have opinions that can sometimes be called negative but because of the persistent naysayers about the state of the game. There was a spree of posters who felt the need to announce that the game was now ###### and doomed, regardless of whether it was the RFL's fault or whether anything could be done about it. People like bionic barrell and DD who made big announcements that they no longer loved the game (which were largely supported) and people like Lobbygobbler and CANETMAN who can see no right with the modern sport and are secretly wishing for it to fail. I could have accepted their opinions if they hadn't been dominating the forum in literally every other thread, and as a result driving away most of the people worth having a discussion with. If I'm just one of them I wouldn't have written a huge blog post defending the game against all of these attacks.

I wasn't openly boycotting anything, after all I did still rarely post, but it's not much fun coming on TotalRL to find out that most of the posts are about how the game is actually rubbish nowadays and about to imminently collapse. I very rarely post on RLFans because that has been like that for a long time.

Unlike you, I have always offered my opinions based on what I really think, however I always back them up and explain why I think them so that people can disagree and I don't repeat myself in thread after thread. I make it and move on. I think the apologist who is blindly sees every opinion that is not glowing as negative is almost as bad as the persistent boo-boy. Especially when they class people as Andy Wilson or Chris Irvine as 'moaning f*ckwits.'

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