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Eastleigh By-Election: Who would you vote for?

Who would you vote for in the Eastleigh By-Election?   25 members have voted

  1. 1. Who would you vote for in the Eastleigh By-Election?

    • COLIN BEX - Wessex Regionalists
      0
    • DAVID BISHOP - Elvis Loves Pets Party
      3
    • JIM DUGGAN - Peace Party
      0
    • RAY HALL - Beer, Baccy and Crumpet Party
      2
    • HOWLING LAUD HOPE - Monster Raving Loony William Hill Party
      2
    • MARIA HUTCHINGS - Conservative
      2
    • DIANE JAMES - UK Independence Party
      3
    • DR IAIN MACLENNAN - National Health Action Party
      2
    • KEVIN MILBURN - Christian Party "Proclaiming Christ's Lordship"
      0
    • JOHN O'FARRELL - Labour
      5
    • DARREN PROCTER - Trade Unionist and Socialist Coalition
      2
    • DANNY STUPPLE - Independent
      0
    • MIKE THORNTON - Liberal Democrats
      3
    • MICHAEL WALTERS - English Democrats
      1

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So they've not managed to get everyone's tax free allowance raise?

Which is nice, but there's a trick to this. You have to look at the overall amount that people have, particularly at the bottom. Although the government likes to tell us about the tax free allowance raise (and the Tories are trying to "steal" it from the Lib Dems) against a backdrop of VAT rises and benefit cuts, in particular the downright evil bedroom tax, it just doesn't add up.

They've not managed to stop a dreadful new secondary school qualification stopped?

So what. This is about the least of the education reforms. If Gove really wanted this, he wouldn't have given it up so easily. It was possibly even a tactical withdrawal along the lines of the abbatoir and the bus depot trick. There is an unfolding disaster happening in the education system, and the Lib Dems have done nothing to stop it.

Most impressively they actually got a referendum on a better voting system. It will be difficult for me to forgive labour for not supporting that one.

Which is almost completely irrelevent to real people in the real world. And they were totally outmaneouvred by the Tories on it anyway. As for Labour, Ed M was all for Yes. It's worth noticing that the Lib Dems made no attempt whatsoever to appeal to the Labour Party on this or any other issue - and still aren't doing.

They've actually tried to make the House of Lords more representative.

That's nice. Please tell us how that's coming along. Any movement yet?

As I said they were naive while negotiating te coalition document, and they've made mistakes but then so have every party.

They really were. Not that it matters. The coalition document isn't worth wiping your ###### on. I think the Lib Dems saw it as a joint governing plan, and the Tories saw it as a minor piece of paperwork they had to get signed off before they could start handing the countries assets over to their pals.

Anyway a confirmed lib dem win in Eastleigh now probably means the party won't be wiped out at the next election.

I don't think many people really thought they would be.

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Just working on one for (predominately white, working class) men in the north in their 50s and over who might want to go on living for as long as possible whilst being able to have a drink.

Bunch of scroungers.

Well I'm interested....please expand.

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Well I'm interested....please expand.

Get to the back of the queue. I bagsed firsties.

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Well I'm interested....please expand.

In due course.

Which isn't me being deliberately arsey we just don't have everything worked through yet.

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3. Tories - an absolute disaster on every front. Being beaten by the Lib Dems would have been bad enough, but to lose to UKIP as well. Cameron is a dead man walking now. He may hang on, he may not, but he's the second coming of John Major. 3/10 at best.

Except that John Major did actually win a General Election, which Dave hasn't managed at all yet. ;)

Major didn't win in '92 because he was to the right of the Tory Party though, he won because he wasn't. I think the real similarity between Major and Cameron is that they are both far more appealing to voters than the party they lead. Cameron may be a wolf in sheep's clothing (that's his real problem, he lacks centrist authenticity), but he is still their best chance of holding on to what they've got, let alone winning in 2015, IMO, regardless of what happened in Eastleigh.

It's all very well for the Tory right to look at the Eastleigh result and extrapolate from it the need for their party to lurch (further) to the right because UKIP did well, but it ignores the fact that their candidate in Eastleigh was already way to the right of where Cameron (correctly in my view) believes they need to be to win a General Election, and she was humiliated. Perhaps if they had stood a more moderate Tory candidate in Eastleigh, they could have mounted a stronger challenge to the Lib Dems. Instead, the usual bunch of deluded suspects in the Tory Party think they weren't right wing enough. :wacko:

The more Cameron is pushed into apeing UKIP on the right, the more he will alienate those centrist voters who almost gave him victory in 2010. It'll be where those votes go next that decides the outcome of the next General Election, if they bother to vote at all.

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On the face of it Labour did very poorly at Eastleigh, but if they couldn't win it in 1997 they're never going to win it. I'm sure I read somewhere that they actually increased their share of their 1997 vote last Thursday. I wonder what Cameron will do? Will he swing to the right? The Lib/Dem's vote declined in Eastleigh by 14% and had it not been for UKIP the Tories would have taken the seat. For me this is remeniscent of the eighties when the Alliance kept Labour out of power for 14 years by splitting the left of centre vote.

I believe Philip Davies MP (Shipley) has said that in his constituency and constituencies like it in the North, a substantial UKIP vote plus LIb/Dems switching to Labour could see large numbers of Tories losing. Could Northern England emulate Scotland as a virtual Tory free zone? Will the Tories ditch Cameron and do a deal with UKIP? If things don't get better economically I reckon they may just do that.

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